22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Or your obsession with measurables continues to mislead you

No.

Size actually matters. There is a reason there aren’t many 235 pound EDGE players in the NFL.

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah gargling howies nuts is hardly thought worthy

You're just butt hurt because I was 100% right about both Howie and Hurts. 😎

I took a lot of crap around here, but 2 Lombardis, 3 SB trips, 7 PO appearances in the 9 years since Howie took the reins back from Chip.

Howie made his share of mistakes, but unlike some posters, he learned from his. 🤣

So watching the rams game over again, it doesn’t matter now and i said this before but the officials marking Barkley after the first down run on first and goal was such an awful spot. They essentially marked him close to an entire yard short of where he was actually down. Should’ve been inside the 1. And probably gets Barkley into the end zone on the next run instead of going to the replay review (probably do a tush push instead of handing it to Barkley like they did on 4th down prior to the penalty)

also Carter getting the sack as rams had potentially kupp for a TD and higbee for a first down (possible TD). Like it might be the biggest play of his career so far. Cause if he doesn’t it get it then our season might be over on that drive 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So watching the rams game over again, it doesn’t matter now and i said this before but the officials marking Barkley after the first down run on first and goal was such an awful spot. They essentially marked him close to an entire yard short of where he was actually down. Should’ve been inside the 1. And probably gets Barkley into the end zone on the next run instead of going to the replay review (probably do a tush push instead of handing it to Barkley like they did on 4th down prior to the penalty)

also Carter getting the sack as rams had potentially kupp for a TD and higbee for a first down (possible TD). Like it might be the biggest play of his career so far. Cause if he doesn’t it get it then our season might be over on that drive 

It was the biggest play of this entire season

Just now, TEW said:

No.

Size actually matters. There is a reason there aren’t many 235 pound EDGE players in the NFL.

That's what she said.

Size matters to some degree, but like athleticism, it ain't the be all and end all.

Or why every year some 6'1 210 lb WR burns up the Combine, gets over drafted, and is flipping hamburgers three years later.

Big is better than small, and fast is better than slow, but smart, work ethic, high motor and compete level are just or more important.

Or why a white safety with average speed and size from a small college started for the NFL champs.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's why your scouts watch film.

There are plenty of big "weight room" guys who struggle to translate that strength to the football field.

While a guy like Smith needed to add strength, but he's still probably only 240 or so, but ripped and explosive, natural strength.

mass x acceleration = force. And leverage matters more than height (though longer arms help up to a point, but you need to know how and be able to punch).

Ojomo good example, not the biggest DL, but learning to use natural strength and quickness to good effect.

On the other hand, Davis has mass and athleticism, and that makes him hard to move even with a double team.

Sure, obviously you have to watch tape.

But the fact is most "violent” undersized (by NFL standards) college players can’t translate that violence to the NFL… because they’re undersized.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

You're just butt hurt because I was 100% right about both Howie and Hurts. 😎

I took a lot of crap around here, but 2 Lombardis, 3 SB trips, 7 PO appearances in the 9 years since Howie took the reins back from Chip.

Howie made his share of mistakes, but unlike some posters, he learned from his. 🤣

Nah huff shows he did not. He gets no credit for Baun thats all Fangio

you talking about learning from errors is peak irony

 

 

Just now, austinfan said:

That's what she said.

Size matters to some degree, but like athleticism, it ain't the be all and end all.

Or why every year some 6'1 210 lb WR burns up the Combine, gets over drafted, and is flipping hamburgers three years later.

Big is better than small, and fast is better than slow, but smart, work ethic, high motor and compete level are just or more important.

Or why a white safety with average speed and size from a small college started for the NFL champs.

Not sure what being white has to do with anything. Safety is a position where physical traits aren’t as important, like a QB with a cannon and 4.4 speed who can’t throw an accurate pass or read a defense.

But some positions physical traits matter a lot — EDGE, CB, etc.

It shouldn’t go unnoticed that the Eagles team won the super bowl on physical traits — LJ, Mailata, Becton, Brown, Barkley, Hurts, Sweat, Davis, Williams, Hunt, Mitchell, DeJean… he’ll, even Nolan Smith himself has elite speed even if he’s undersized.

We are winning based on being bigger and faster.

Lets keep that up.

 

 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So watching the rams game over again, it doesn’t matter now and i said this before but the officials marking Barkley after the first down run on first and goal was such an awful spot. They essentially marked him close to an entire yard short of where he was actually down. Should’ve been inside the 1. And probably gets Barkley into the end zone on the next run instead of going to the replay review (probably do a tush push instead of handing it to Barkley like they did on 4th down prior to the penalty)

also Carter getting the sack as rams had potentially kupp for a TD and higbee for a first down (possible TD). Like it might be the biggest play of his career so far. Cause if he doesn’t it get it then our season might be over on that drive 

Meme gold I just thought of...

25 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Nah huff shows he did not. He gets no credit for Baun thats all Fangio

you talking about learning from errors is peak irony

I give Howie credit cause i was as tough on him as anyone after 2020. There were a lot of bad draft picks, contracts that shouldn’t been given out and guys who just were overdrafted or busts like Reagor, JJAW. He also had issues giving out contracts like Malik Jackson (which said at the time it wasn’t a good contract as he looked like He was declining in Jacksonville) and relying DeSean (bad alshon) when both were old and unreliable by 2020 with just expecting reagor, Hightower and Quez to make up for it. There was a lot to criticize and that doesn’t include he stories that came out 

now the Bryce Huff contract is gonna wind up costing us a player we’d rather keep . But I give him credit because he started drafting better and more consistently. Made some excellent trades for aj brown, moving down from 6, saints trade trading away wentz (what they got cause i don’t think they wanted too until wentz said he wasn’t coming back) and dealing Reddick away (byard was a miss). And besides Huff, he really hasn’t handed out many questionable contracts since about 2020 (bradberry is the other).

I also give him credit because the biggest issue i had was the Eagles never built a sustainable defense. We kind of were plugging away with quick fixes and relying on older guys. it’s why the defense would be great one year then begin to tail off the next year or two. with young guys in place it is much more sustainable. It also helps to have a DC like fangio which they’ve really not had since Schwartz was let go but really since JJ.  This defense as long as they keep baun should be somewhat sustainable going forward. that’s cause they’ve drafted well on that side of the ball when they really hadn’t been for a while prior. From 2016-2020 the three best defenders they drafted were Jalen mills, sweat and Douglas (who really reached his best away from here). Since it’s been Carter, Mitchell, dejean, Milton Williams, Davis, hunt, ojomo, Dean and Reed (udfa).

I will also give the Eagles credit for this, having the balls to pay Carson wentz then go out and draft a quarterback in the second round. Like it blew up with wentz and fortunate it did to the point he demanded to be traded so we could still cash in on his previous 3 seasons. I would give them more credit except for the fact that 2022 off-season they were trying to get Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson. Stories of Dom going to Houston, Watson report saying he didn’t want to come here cause he didn’t want to take hurts’ job away and Wilson reports saying he didn’t want to come here but they were trying. Thankfully neither one of them wanted to come here. So the best thing they did was not being able to make that trade due to Wilson/watson not wanting to be here. 

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

Not sure what being white has to do with anything. Safety is a position where physical traits aren’t as important, like a QB with a cannon and 4.4 speed who can’t throw an accurate pass or read a defense.

But some positions physical traits matter a lot — EDGE, CB, etc.

It shouldn’t go unnoticed that the Eagles team won the super bowl on physical traits — LJ, Mailata, Becton, Brown, Barkley, Hurts, Sweat, Davis, Williams, Hunt, Mitchell, DeJean… he’ll, even Nolan Smith himself has elite speed even if he’s undersized.

We are winning based on being bigger and faster.

Lets keep that up.

Remember some CB named Asante? Average size, speed combo. Or Torry Holt at WR.

What makes this team special isn't that they're big and fast on a chart, but they play fast, because they're smart enough to understand what Fangio and Stoutland want them to do.

Milton is a great athlete, but he's also smaller with short arms. Dean is small with average speed but great instincts, his problem is durability.

When Howie puts his board together, I'm sure it's a lot shorter than the available players, b/c he's learned to eliminate the ones who lack the right intangibles, no matter how well they test. So when you target size/athleticism, you want to focus on the subpopulation with the right intangibles who fell for "good" reasons, injuries that don't seem to signal injury prone, small college, behind a really good player, in the wrong scheme for his skill set, etc.

You can't teach size and speed, but you can't teach "stupid and lazy" either.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I give Howie credit cause i was as tough on him as anyone after 2020. There were a lot of bad draft picks, contracts that shouldn’t been given out and guys who just were overdrafted or busts like Reagor, JJAW. He also had issues giving out contracts like Malik Jackson (which said at the time it wasn’t a good contract as he looked like He was declining in Jacksonville) and relying DeSean (bad alshon) when both were old and unreliable by 2020 with just expecting reagor, Hightower and Quez to make up for it. There was a lot to criticize and that doesn’t include he stories that came out 

now the Bryce Huff contract is gonna wind up costing us a player we’d rather keep . But I give him credit because he started drafting better and more consistently. Made some excellent trades for aj brown, moving down from 6, saints trade trading away wentz (what they got cause i don’t think they wanted too until wentz said he wasn’t coming back) and dealing Reddick away (byard was a miss). And besides Huff, he really hasn’t handed out many questionable contracts since about 2020 (bradberry is the other).

I also give him credit because the biggest issue i had was the Eagles never built a sustainable defense. We kind of were plugging away with quick fixes and relying on older guys. it’s why the defense would be great one year then begin to tail off the next year or two. with young guys in place it is much more sustainable. It also helps to have a DC like fangio which they’ve really not had since Schwartz was let go but really since JJ.  This defense as long as they keep baun should be somewhat sustainable going forward. that’s cause they’ve drafted well on that side of the ball when they really hadn’t been for a while prior. From 2016-2020 the two best defenders they drafted were Jalen mills, sweat and Douglas (who really reached his best away from here). Since it’s been Carter, Mitchell, dejean, Milton Williams, Davis, hunt, ojomo, Dean and Reed (udfa). 

The bradberry and slay contracts are also bad

Pickett trade was another wasted asset

3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Absolutely agree. It looks to me like we hit a home run on the McKee pick. Why is everyone in such a rush to see him sent out of the building? 

Not in a hurry at all; however, he will now be entering the third year of his four year contract with the likelihood he is once again going to be the emergency QB and inactive each week.  That can’t be any fun for him, nor can it be any form of loyalty building when it comes to signing a second contract.  If Hurts weren’t so clearly QB1, the prospects of McKee swing meaningful live snaps would be worth talking about, but Hurts clearly is QB1 and not going anywhere, so McKee is stuck until after the 2026 season, when he will almost surely flee.

So take the value while you can .

 

 

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

The bradberry and slay contracts are also bad

Pickett trade was another wasted asset

Bradberry one was. I can’t say slay is bad. It isn’t great but he still played well enough the past two years. They needed him to win a SB cause I’m not sure Rodgers or ringo were good enough to be a consistent starters yet.   

Pickett is a backup Qb. you got 2 years out of him being a backup for moving down 22 spots from 98 to 120 and 2 7th rounders. The 7th rounders are probably not making this roster. Rather have gone McKee but that one doesn’t bother me as much. Frankly bigger argument is giving up a 3rd for Dotson. 

How many GMs are better than Howie?   He’s not going to bat 1.000, and he’s gonna whiff a few times, but we’re really nitpicking a guy with three SB appearances and two championships since 2017. 

57 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 Let’s enjoy the win.  And then talk FA and the draft first. Let the players rest

ESP = 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

How many GMs are better than Howie?   He’s not going to bat 1.000, and he’s gonna whiff a few times, but we’re really nitpicking a guy with three SB appearances and two championships since 2017. 

No GM is going to bat 1.000… but I’d be willing to bet that over the last 2-3 seasons he’s swung the bat at about .700 to .750.   I’m also pretty sure it’s better than any other GM in the league.

Is there another GM out there that’s getting close to 3 out of every 4 decisions right?  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How many GMs are better than Howie?   He’s not going to bat 1.000, and he’s gonna whiff a few times, but we’re really nitpicking a guy with three SB appearances and two championships since 2017. 

Frankly were legit concerns with the organization and howie’s direction after 2020 season. the eagles were at a crossroads at Qb, roster and 2017 felt more like hitting lightning in a bottle with foles playing out of his mind cause the teams after that were really not SB title caliber teams.

 Howie has had his mistakes since 2021 offseason (huff and bradberry contract) but for the most part this roster is young and really has sustainability which i don’t think any of us felt from 2018-2021. To howie’s credit he began drafting better and made some excellent trades that really set us up well 

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Not in a hurry at all; however, he will now be entering the third year of his four year contract with the likelihood he is once again going to be the emergency QB and inactive each week.  That can’t be any fun for him, nor can it be any form of loyalty building when it comes to signing a second contract.  If Hurts weren’t so clearly QB1, the prospects of McKee swing meaningful live snaps would be worth talking about, but Hurts clearly is QB1 and not going anywhere, so McKee is stuck until after the 2026 season, when he will almost surely flee.

So take the value while you can .

I think they'll have no problem extending McKee if they think he's a solid backup.

He has a couple good preseason halves and one game against a "garbage" team at the end of the season.

No one is signing him to start for them off that resume, especially given his college career and draft position. And if you're only getting backup money, those postseason bonuses look good.

For him to garner starter interest, he'd need a Garcia type run where Hurts is out 3-4 games and he comes in and the offense operates at a high level.