1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Guys, we had plenty of tape of Pickett to make a reasonable assumption that McKee was as good or better than him. Just like we did with Devin White. I don't get why we have to pretend those of us who were critical of the trade at the time were somehow in the dark about what we were getting with those types of players. And to be clear, it's 100% nitpicking, but it's still okay to admit the Pickett trade was a complete whiff. It happens.

Hindsight is 20/20.  At this time last year what did we know about McKee? Very, very little.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It is irrelevant? he wouldn’t be on the eagles currently without Washington’s assessment of him after watching him first hand and thinking a 3rd rounder was more valuable to their team. I’d want as much info as possible before giving a 3rd round pick. Especially cause Washington who needed WRs with a rookie Qb and he’s on a rookie contract is giving him up. Imo as much info as possible is not irrelevant. I’m guessing howie probably discussed that before making the trade. If i were Howie I’d want to know why that info was leaked that he was struggling in camp and was his struggles because of new regime or potentially a bigger issue

If you want to have that discussion with them go ahead. Don’t include me as i didn’t read nor pay attention to your previous arguments to hear all their point. 

It is an opinion by me that you probably gave up more for him due to that.

In any business deal the reasons why the other side is interested in doing the deal are always irrelevant.  The only thing that matters is how the deal affects your Balance Sheet both in the immediate (real) present and the (projected) future.  The decision to draft Jalen Carter is a perfect case in point.  The reasons why other teams chose not to draft him are their reasons, not the Eagles reasons. How it was believed Carter would fit into the Eagles organization was all that mattered.  

The fact that other teams had beliefs about  Carter is no different than the fact that the Commanders had beliefs about Dotson.

JMO

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

In any business deal the reasons why the other side is interested in doing the deal are always irrelevant.  The only thing that matters is how the deal affects your Balance Sheet both in the immediate (real) present and the (projected) future.  The decision to draft Jalen Carter is a perfect case in point.  The reasons why other teams chose not to draft him are their reasons, not the Eagles reasons. How it was believed Carter would fit into the Eagles organization was all that mattered.  

The fact that other teams had beliefs about  Carter is no different than the fact that the Commanders had beliefs about Dotson.

JMO

The information being put out there that he was struggling and didn’t look good in their camps (also reporters watching him said he didn’t). Id think from a trade value standpoint the commanders probably wouldn’t want that info out there. I would guess Howie (most GMs) when they call to discuss that trade ask why is he available but also ask the commanders about that info as multiple reasons that he could’ve looked like that. along with probably a bunch of other questions to get a deal worked out.

JMO that info and the explanation of the situation from the commanders (along with other things discussed) is likely relevant and helpful to being comfortable enough to pull the trigger on a deal especially when giving up the value of a 3rd round pick. Imo don’t think Howie made this trade without collecting as much info from the current commanders regime (and I’d wager asking former commanders coaches/regime for some more info on Dotson over the last two years since he scouted him). Imo think that info and how it was discussed/addressed in negotiations were likely used in the decision making process. 

Maybe Kenny Pickett was a great addition to the QB room. Maybe Dotson will build off this year and workout with Jalen in offseason. Maybe neither is true.  We won the Super Bowl a week ago. Did Howie’s goodwill already expire?

Dotson's absolutely fine at WR3 on this team. They overpaid, but he makes the small number of plays that are there for WR3 in this offense.

Gut says Pickett and McKee both stay, though I hope they trade Pickett.

I expect Fangio to force Howie's hand on Bryce Huff. Probably after the draft for a 2026 pick.

15 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think the Eagles can get any more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Pickett or McKee.  Nobody is trading for either one to be their starter.

 

Take a 3rd if you can get it or a 4th for Pickett, time to further develop McKee and the more draft capital the better.

11 hours ago, gregbwfc1 said:

Just watched that.

Brilliant 

Could almost (almost), feel a bit sorry for the Chiefs. 

They never stood a chance of winning that game, did they.

And the Eagles knew it.

Incredible focus, belief and trust in each other.

Always have to knockout the heavyweight champ.  No one ever knows "for sure" until that dude hits the mat BUT you have to go in believing.

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

maybe the problem is the game day posting where I get annoyed by each bad play. Adds a lot of posts about it. 

Put me in the category that also understood your points which I agree with though they don't tell the entire story.  What triggered me was your insistence on asserting that Hurts was not a "good QB" which I found to be a ridiculous take.

btw - How'd you like that back shoulder pass to Brown?

8 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Rodgers played pretty well in the Rams game. Good coverage

wouldnt mind bringing him back

Generally speaking he was excellent all year when Slay needed a spell.  Of course he gave up the occasional play but they all do unless your name is Q (well, he also gave up a couple by the end of the year).

7 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  Starting the Dallas hype machine early.

It never stops

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

Did you see Smith blow up the pulling guard? He's plenty big enough, plays violent.

That was a totally vicious hit.  He did that to the GB guard as well and knocked him out of the game. Two massive hits on pulling guards in the playoffs.  Smith was the guy that came on during the year more so than any other player including Hunt.

6 hours ago, just relax said:

Oh, you knew that, did you?

No , he doesn't...typical Philly fan..Pickett was a good deal dor us. We have a solid QB room and if Hurts went down 

we weren't relying on a guy who hasn't played against 3rd stringersin preseason. Half the clowns on here were pissed when we drafted McKee and all went 'WHO"??

Philly's infactuation with backup anything, QB, goalie ,utility player is un challenged. Travis Fulgham was going to be the next TO if you listened to 

them. Pickett played well when we needed him to and one game was with broken ribs..He'll be back as number 2 again UNLESS Howie gets 

blown away with an offer.

Long shot but I really liked the "breed of one” quarter zip sweatshirt that Jalen was wearing post Super Bowl. Anyone any idea of where you can get it? I’ve checked his site and it isn’t available.

8 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Are we really nitpicking moves from what was by far the best roster in the league?  Of course some didn’t work perfectly but so many did it seems a bit ridiculous to be focusing on the bad ones.

Some people just don't like Howie.  Weird.

3 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Put me in the category that also understood your points which I agree with though they don't tell the entire story.  What triggered me was your insistence on asserting that Hurts was not a "good QB" which I found to be a ridiculous take.

btw - How'd you like that back shoulder pass to Brown?

Brown wasn't ready for it because that's not part of the offense,  like I said when it happened in the other game.   Hurts doesn't throw them.  Hurts had to unload that one under pressure.  Probably just an underthrow again, just like his INT under pressure.

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

Hindsight is 20/20.  At this time last year what did we know about McKee? Very, very little.

Yeah totally, what a complete surprise, nobody could've predicted how that would turn out.

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

Hindsight is 20/20.  At this time last year what did we know about McKee? Very, very little.

We knew Pickett sucked

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Brown wasn't ready for it because that's not part of the offense,  like I said when it happened in the other game.   Hurts doesn't throw them.  Hurts had to unload that one under pressure.  Probably just an underthrow again, just like his INT under pressure.

Too funny.  Whatever makes you feel better mate. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Too funny.  Whatever makes you feel better mate. 

I guess I expected there to still be Hurts doubters… I just didn’t think many would be our own fans.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

At the time of the trade, I don't think the Eagles were committed to running 57% of the time for the season. I liked how Dotson was unselfish about his usage and did what he was asked to do with a great attitude. 

He manned a key role on the offense all year and we ended up with a Lombardi. As for the trade itself, we did get a 5th in that one while giving up a 3rd and two 7ths. I still believe he'll get the ball  a little more this next season. 

The bottom line is the Eagles don't use W3-WR5 for it to be a heavy investment. Even with this year having Saquon as the focus, the passing game distribution is relatively the same year in and year out.

Since Jalen Hurts has been QB, the Eagles use of any WR3-5 is extremely low. We beat to death that Jalen hasn't had the same OC for consecutive seasons but these stats are consistent with Hurts time here, but at some point I think we have to just live with the fact that Hurts isn't using WR3 or lower. 

2024- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 45 catches for 365 yards. Next leading WR had 19 catches (Dotson. They had 620 rushing attempts.

2023- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 36 catches for 380 yards. Next leading WR had 10 catches (Zaccheaus). They had 510 rushing attempts.

2022- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 48 catches for 504 yards. Next leading WR had 33 catches (Quez). They had 542 rushing attempts.

2021- WR not named DeVonta Smith and no AJ had 42 catches for 430 yards (Reagor, JJAW, Greg Ward combined with Reagor leading the way at 33). They had 552 rushing attempts. 

Trading a 3rd round pick for a position that doesn't get used seems like a waste of valuable resources. They are either going to be a run heavy team or a feed AJ/DeVonta/TE team. Nothing wrong with that. It works. But don't use high picks on positions we know aren't going to be used.

23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

We knew Pickett sucked

Let me say this first I am not a Kenny Pickett fan. I think he is a backup Qb and that’s what he’s always going to be. But I can understand the Eagles logic behind doing it. All it cost to acquire him was move 22 slots from 98 to 120 (the 2 7ths in that draft were unlikely to make the team and I’m guessing they believed the guys they wanted in the 7th were likely to be priority UDFA anyway). At that part of the draft 85-125, all the prospects are probably graded pretty similarly so moving back 22 slots to get a back up quarterback with experience that they likely believed with a better offensive line, better wide receivers, and a better running back that they could potentially maximize his potential if he had to play. I’m assuming part of the equation was if they did maximize him that they could always flip him and get some value back as well.

I view it the same way as they took a swing on becton. It is slightly different as they didn’t have to give up anything to sign becton. That said it didn’t cost them very much to acquire either of them. his tape with the Jets wasn’t exactly thrilling and he had durability concerns. But they thought because he was a former first round pick that they could potentially maximize and tap into upside. Imo both of these guys were let’s take a swing on their potential upside (not my belief on pickett’s upside) at a minimal price 

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Too funny.  Whatever makes you feel better mate. 

I felt absolutely fine about his entire body of work in that game. You are the one who asked about 1 of the few misfires. 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The bottom line is the Eagles don't use W3-WR5 for it to be a heavy investment. Even with this year having Saquon as the focus, the passing game distribution is relatively the same year in and year out.

Since Jalen Hurts has been QB, the Eagles use of any WR3-5 is extremely low. We beat to death that Jalen hasn't had the same OC for consecutive seasons but these stats are consistent with Hurts time here, but at some point I think we have to just live with the fact that Hurts isn't using WR3 or lower. 

2024- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 45 catches for 365 yards. Next leading WR had 19 catches (Dotson. They had 620 rushing attempts.

2023- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 36 catches for 380 yards. Next leading WR had 10 catches (Zaccheaus). They had 510 rushing attempts.

2022- WR not named AJ Brown or DeVonta Smith had 48 catches for 504 yards. Next leading WR had 33 catches (Quez). They had 542 rushing attempts.

2021- WR not named DeVonta Smith and no AJ had 42 catches for 430 yards (Reagor, JJAW, Greg Ward combined with Reagor leading the way at 33). They had 552 rushing attempts. 

Trading a 3rd round pick for a position that doesn't get used seems like a waste of valuable resources. They are either going to be a run heavy team or a feed AJ/DeVonta/TE team. Nothing wrong with that. It works. But don't use high picks on positions we know aren't going to be used.

I like Dotson in his draft class. With that said at the end of the 2023 season we knew we needed an upgrade at the 3rd wide receiver position when AJ Brown missed the Tampa Bay playoff game. (Heck we knew this after the 2022 Super Bowl run where quez was not great after the commanders game where he fumbled that year). they had Devonta Smith, Julio jones and  Quez Watkins as the main wide receivers. The eagles solution prior to the Dotson trade was signing Campbell (has had some durability issues over his career) and drafting two late round WRs. Nearing the end of the preseason and training camp i think most of felt they needed a WR they could trust more to step up if an injury to aj or smith happened and they wanted one with upside. Imo they paid what they did cause he was young, former first round pick that they liked his upside when the scouted him in the draft and he was still relatively cheap for 2 more years.

To add to your 2024 point, if aj brown and smith don’t miss the games they did and week 18 being meaningless that gap could be even more.   

9 hours ago, just relax said:

Bradbury was very good his first year here. Slay has played to the level of his contract. Pickett was an insurance contract. You may think he was overpaid but we’ve done that with backup QBs. None of these moves were stupid; some worked out better than others.

Howie made a lot of moves and he and Lurie have spoken frequently about being willing to take risks. You don’t get Baum or Saquon or Burks or Becton in a vacuum. All those moves were rational whether they worked or not.

This after the fact wisdom is just wasted air.

I meant the bradburry extension. And picket was not rational at all. I can cese that Dotson was.

baun and burks are dumb luck lottery tix that showed how good fangio is. Not howie. Becton is Stoutland.

i get we are throwing flowers to everyone. BUt thats when we get irrational and revise history.

 

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Its pathetic.   It's his homage to "Orion".   It's cultural.