2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Ok, let's try to end this one and put it to bed for good.

"Despite his several flaws Jalen Hurts is a good QB who has played great when it mattered the most."  Do you agree with that statement?

I thin the problem with Hurts is that he's not a sexy gunslinger who puts up 400 yard, 5 TD games. Nor does he have the athleticism and arm to make the ESPN highlight throws.

He's a good QB in isolation, but a great QB for THIS team, b/c he consistently makes the big play with the game on the line, but doesn't have the ego where he'll sulk if he isn't the center of attention.

Same way Brown is underrated b/c he could put up huge numbers on a team where he'd be the focus of the passing game - here while he may vent once in a while b/c he wants the ball (all competitors want to be the difference maker) he takes pride in his run blocking.

It's not just Howie built a talented team, he built a team with stars who put winning first - Barkley was a perfect fit, watching him get excited over Shipley's big run like it was his own - when the big dogs make the role players feel they're important it creates a team where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Compare to Reid's "All Star" team that grossly underachieved back in 2012.

Intangibles matter - they don't replace talent, they complement talent.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Howie really liked Barnett too. He’s not drafting players in round 1 just because someone else loves him. He has to sign off. Once we get to round 4… yeah, that’s all Douglas and the scouting dept. 

I like their RED Star distinction for Day 3 players.  Good process, IMO.   Let the scouts that have really followed these guys get on the stump and campaign for their guy.   Find out who these guys are actually passionate about.  It also is a great way to evaluate the scouts.  Even if you don't get the guy they are stumping for, you can evaluate whether or not the guy they stumped for was worth it or not.

Just look at this violence promoted in the Olympics 

Just now, austinfan said:

I thin the problem with Hurts is that he's not a sexy gunslinger who puts up 400 yard, 5 TD games. Nor does he have the athleticism and arm to make the ESPN highlight throws.

He's a good QB in isolation, but a great QB for THIS team, b/c he consistently makes the big play with the game on the line, but doesn't have the ego where he'll sulk if he isn't the center of attention.

Same way Brown is underrated b/c he could put up huge numbers on a team where he'd be the focus of the passing game - here while he may vent once in a while b/c he wants the ball (all competitors want to be the difference maker) he takes pride in his run blocking.

It's not just Howie built a talented team, he built a team with stars who put winning first - Barkley was a perfect fit, watching him get excited over Shipley's big run like it was his own - when the big dogs make the role players feel they're important it creates a team where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Compare to Reid's "All Star" team that grossly underachieved back in 2012.

Intangibles matter - they don't replace talent, they complement talent.

That's been proven wrong in here numerous times yet you guys keep saying it. I wonder why

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quez's speed was great, but his hands...man I didn't trust him to make a big catch when it mattered most and I'd imagine Hurts didn't either. Quez makes that catch in SB57 and it might be a different outcome. 

At the time of the Dotson trade, you're right, the Eagles had nothing at WR3. Campbell couldn't stay healthy so we all knew a move had to be made. I'm sure Washington knew that too and maybe they were more in the drivers seat of that trade instead of Howie. 

I like Dotson, he was special at PSU. I think he can be a player. and his catch in the SB could be argued as the spark that got this team going (although I don't think they needed one). With a full offseason I'm sure he'll work with Hurts and more chemistry will be built. The Eagles WR1-WR3 is as good as it gets in the NFL. Let's just see WR3 get a few more looks.

Wrong guy... but yeah... same story.

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Just look at this violence promoted in the Olympics 

Tbh i’ve really wanted one of the Eagles players after they score a touchdown to do the Napoleon dynamite dance. Frankly, it would’ve been funnier if Nick Foles scored a rushing touchdown and then did it.

27 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'll just ignore the ad nauseum discussions on Pickett & Dotson.  Any thoughts on the next QB coach?

That's a tough one, JT Barrett would've been a solid pick after what the Lions have done with Goff's passing and decision making, but he just followed Ben Johnson to Chicago.

I'd hope they had someone on staff as an offensive Quality control that was ready to step up to be honest, or it could be another excuse to shoehorn Reich in as a consultant.

 

42 minutes ago, mattwill said:

But the reality is that Pickett didn’t suck when called upon.

He was called upon in the Washington game too. 

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

This doesn't change your point, but Quez had 43-647-1 in 2021 as the WR2.

I would have been perfectly fine with bringing Quez back as the WR3 before last season. I agree with much of what you said in regard to the Eagles' use of a WR3 with Hurts. At the time of the Dotson trade, however, there wasn't a player that won the role in TC and Howie had a chance to bring in an upgrade with upside on a rookie contract. Does the production match the draft capital investment? So far it has not. But we still have another season to get returns from that. Dotson wasn't a one-year (or half -year) rental. He also has the versatility to play any WR role in our offense in the case of injury.  

So, I don't believe we've seen a full return on the investment to date, but I do believe he was an underrated addition that did help us get to and win a super bowl.

I agree with that.   He was also a insurance policy in case of injury.  Even if it goes down is a bad move. It's very minimal.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quez's speed was great, but his hands...man I didn't trust him to make a big catch when it mattered most and I'd imagine Hurts didn't either. Quez makes that catch in SB57 and it might be a different outcome. 

At the time of the Dotson trade, you're right, the Eagles had nothing at WR3. Campbell couldn't stay healthy so we all knew a move had to be made. I'm sure Washington knew that too and maybe they were more in the drivers seat of that trade instead of Howie. 

I like Dotson, he was special at PSU. I think he can be a player. and his catch in the SB could be argued as the spark that got this team going (although I don't think they needed one). With a full offseason I'm sure he'll work with Hurts and more chemistry will be built. The Eagles WR1-WR3 is as good as it gets in the NFL. Let's just see WR3 get a few more looks.

I get that. There weren't a lot of people beside me that wanted to keep Quez around. He wasn't great at contested catches, but people exaggerated the "drops." Really, he wasn't a fit inside at slot, but he was a very capable WR on the outside if Smith or Brown were to get hurt. I think Dotson is better in the slot and there's no drop-off when he lines up outside. But had we retained Quez, we wouldn't have needed to make the trade for Dotson. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Well there was this one playoff game against the Bucs that didn't turn out well...

But I get what you're saying and I'd agree overall lol

Something happened last year in the locker room.  It was so bloody obvious.  I wouldn't hold anyone personally responsible for that loss or their play in that game as everything had already blown up many weeks prior.  Maybe Hurts was part of the problem.  We may never find out.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Just look at this violence promoted in the Olympics 

The irony is that the Olympic games originated based on the abilities required in warfare.   From wrestling to javelin, shot put, discus throw... these were all about warfare.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wrong guy... but yeah... same story.

Credit to Matthews he has actually stuck around the league for 10 seasons. Was on the panthers this year. Also crazy it’s been 10 years since he was drafted 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I thin the problem with Hurts is that he's not a sexy gunslinger who puts up 400 yard, 5 TD games. Nor does he have the athleticism and arm to make the ESPN highlight throws.

He's a good QB in isolation, but a great QB for THIS team, b/c he consistently makes the big play with the game on the line, but doesn't have the ego where he'll sulk if he isn't the center of attention.

Same way Brown is underrated b/c he could put up huge numbers on a team where he'd be the focus of the passing game - here while he may vent once in a while b/c he wants the ball (all competitors want to be the difference maker) he takes pride in his run blocking.

It's not just Howie built a talented team, he built a team with stars who put winning first - Barkley was a perfect fit, watching him get excited over Shipley's big run like it was his own - when the big dogs make the role players feel they're important it creates a team where the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Compare to Reid's "All Star" team that grossly underachieved back in 2012.

Intangibles matter - they don't replace talent, they complement talent.

So did you agree with that statement?

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So now you guys are going to repeat this line?

I did notice it being used a lot now

Who's you guys?   It's a common term it just came to mind. My opinion is the same.   His Success rate the last Four Seasons is pretty high .

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Something happened last year in the locker room.  It was so bloody obvious.  I wouldn't hold anyone personally responsible for that loss or their play in that game as everything had already blown up many weeks prior.  Maybe Hurts was part of the problem.  We may never find out.

I was referring to the previous Bucs game. I agree we may never find out the real reason for the 2023 collapse though

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The irony is that the Olympic games originated based on the abilities required in warfare.   From wrestling to javelin, shot put, discus throw... these were all about warfare.  

And running

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i’ve really wanted one of the Eagles players after they score a touchdown to do the Napoleon dynamite dance. Frankly, it would’ve been funnier if Nick Foles scored a rushing touchdown and then did it.

I keep waiting for someone to break out the Carlton!  

That might be an AJ dance, if we can get Jameis Winston to ask him to do it during the Super Bowl media day.   That's why AJ broke out the Cha Cha Slide... 

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is Nussmeier officially gone?

Officially, no, but in practical terms, I'd be shocked if he didn't go to the saints.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I keep waiting for someone to break out the Carlton!  

That might be an AJ dance, if we can get Jameis Winston to ask him to do it during the Super Bowl media day.   That's why AJ broke out the Cha Cha Slide... 

i feel like someone a couple years ago (not on the eagles) busted out the Carlton dance.

wait til someone busts out the wwe celebration of sweet chin music. Definitely getting fined. Since hunt got fined I’m surprised they didn’t try to fine Q for his pedigree celebration 

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Dotson's absolutely fine at WR3 on this team. They overpaid, but he makes the small number of plays that are there for WR3 in this offense.

Gut says Pickett and McKee both stay, though I hope they trade Pickett.

I expect Fangio to force Howie's hand on Bryce Huff. Probably after the draft for a 2026 pick.

Think Huff is a solid summer trade for a 2026 selection or even 2027 

3 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

Who's you guys?   It's a common term it just came to mind. My opinion is the same.   His Success rate the last Four Seasons is pretty high .

I stopped going back 7 pages. There may be more 🤷‍♂️

13 hours ago, ManuManu said:

How many GMs are better than Howie?   He’s not going to bat 1.000, and he’s gonna whiff a few times, but we’re really nitpicking a guy with three SB appearances and two championships since 2017. 

 

13 hours ago, McMVP said:

No GM is going to bat 1.000… but I’d be willing to bet that over the last 2-3 seasons he’s swung the bat at about .700 to .750.   I’m also pretty sure it’s better than any other GM in the league.

Is there another GM out there that’s getting close to 3 out of every 4 decisions right?  

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i feel like someone a couple years ago (not on the eagles) busted out the Carlton dance.

wait til someone busts out the wwe celebration of sweet chin music. Definitely getting fined. Since hunt got fined I’m surprised they didn’t try to fine Q for his pedigree celebration 

Remind me.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I was referring to the previous Bucs game. I agree we may never find out the real reason for the 2023 collapse though

The one this year?  Or are you going back to his 1st playoff game?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I keep waiting for someone to break out the Carlton!  

That might be an AJ dance, if we can get Jameis Winston to ask him to do it during the Super Bowl media day.   That's why AJ broke out the Cha Cha Slide... 

https://youtu.be/2rbntGpvHDM?si=tT1kwPtCWU8yHAhD

Interesting that youtube didn't embed