7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I’m thinking the opposite.  Edge before DT because the Edge prospects thin out in Day 2 but the DT prospects stay very strong.

I'd say that's more adjacent than opposite, because you agree Edge before DT, just for different reasons. 😎

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think there’s danger in penciling him as a starter because he hasn’t learned yet to play under control. There’s some unheralded competition there, and an opportunity to add more - so it will be an interesting camp battle.

The fact that they were in on Reid gives me hope that they see the same thing. The problem is there isn't much left at S in the free agent market and I would be shocked if they drafted a S at 32.

I don't think the Eagles have a ton of clarity on what position they need.

DT: The Eagles have two first round picks starting at DT and a drafted player, Ojomo, who has played well and is ready for a larger role.  So what's the need there?  You think a first round pick is going to change this situation much in 2025?

Safety/CB: you either believe in Brown and Ringo or you don't.  But they are 3rd round picks and it's time for them to play.  Despite the Mitchell/Dejean anomaly from last year, a rookie draft pick is unlikely to be more ready to play than Brown or Ringo.  And you wont find anyone around our position in this draft with more athletic upside than those two.

RG: You aren't getting someone more plug and ready to play than Steen.

Edge:  This is a rotational position that lacks depth AND Jalyx Hunt isn't exactly established yet.  This is the only position where a rookie could conceivably come in and be an option to contribute right away and be better than what we have.

NEXT offseason...some of these guys (Davis/Ojomo/Steen/Brown/Ringo/Hunt) are going to suck and some are going to be revelations.  At that point, it's going to be crystal clear where we need to add and where we don't.

 

But, at this point, it's just burning resources and potentially an impediment to the development of our existing picks to throw much into any one of these positions this offseason.  The cost of letting all that talent walk was the uncertainty of how these guys are going to do.   The benefit was cap preservation for the future of the team.  Don't turn back now and over-invest in low upside insurance and fillers at these postions.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Neither Grant nor Anthony Belton are Lane replacements, but they are solid developmental backup IMO.  Look in at Grant’s frame as it is now, it is no worse than Jason Peters’s was when he was a UDFA.

If we want to get a 1st Round OT to replace Lane, Howie is almost surely going to have to trade for another team’s future 1st.

I could see that in RD3-4.

I keep coming back to Josh Simmons in RD1 even if everyone would hate it.

I really don't see Lane's replacement coming this year. This OT class honestly blows. And taking an OT in round 1 would reek of desperation to fill a need. And OTs go early so you'd be picking like the 4th best OT most likely in a weak class. At that point you might as well just take a flier on a raw guy on day 3 and hope Stout can work his magic.

In a loaded DL and TE class, going OT in round 1 would IMO be a huge mistake in this class. Andre Dillard redux. Remember that class was loaded with DL, Eagles tried to get cute and take Dillard in a weaker OT class and it blew up in their face. Go with the strengths.

Add this guy to potential RD5 gems at LB...

 

26 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

No, we just watched him play enough to realize that he is an absolute nightmare in coverage. He plays football like a chicken with it's head cut off and has no awareness when it comes to space and coverage. Considering that is a must in Fangio defense from the Safety position he not only sucks but is not in a fit. The Eagles trying to Justin Reid (which was confirmed by Reid) makes it pretty clear that they agree to some level.

 

No idea how you've watched him play enough when he didn't get any real chances until late in his rookie season before suffering his ACL injury and then hardly got the see the field at all last year on defense coming off that injury until very late in the season.  He has talent and he has elite speed for the safety position.  He's a playmaker in waiting, he just needs to get more playing experience and will only improve with that playing experience.  

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

The fact that they were in on Reid gives me hope that they see the same thing. The problem is there isn't much left at S in the free agent market and I would be shocked if they drafted a S at 32.

Beyond what’s on the roster now, remaining FAs and the draft, we’ll still have an opportunity at the trade deadline if our options all don’t pan out… we aren’t really going to use 10+ picks next year.

I’d hope to get a premium position at 32, but if we get a tradeback offer - the top of the 2nd has been a fertile area in the past for safeties (Pitre, Branch).

Ringo and Brown are currently not in the same situation. While Ringo is certainly the odds on favorite to start at corner the Eagles brought in a decent veteran with 82 starts under his belt. Currently it's Brown (sucks), McCollum (sucks) and Cine (had a devastating injury that almost cost him his career) competing for a starting spot which is a recipe for disaster. Not only is it a problem on the surface but if Reed were to get hurt we would possibly have the worst starting safeties in the entire league. I've been patient with pretty much everything they have done thus far but trading CJGJ and NOT signing a replacement is inexcusable. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Ringo and Brown are currently not in the same situation. While Ringo is certainly the odds on favorite to start at corner the Eagles brought in a decent veteran with 82 starts under his belt. Currently it's Brown (sucks), McCollum (sucks) and Cine (had a devastating injury that almost cost him his career) competing for a starting spot which is a recipe for disaster. Not only is it a problem on the surface but if Reed were to get hurt we would possibly have the worst starting safeties in the entire league. I've been patient with pretty much everything they have done thus far but trading CJGJ and NOT signing a replacement is inexcusable. 

Yeah, it’s surprising that Howie hasn’t signed a safety to bolster this group (not really seeing Adoree as an option more like a contingency).

I'm actually pretty optimistic the competition of Brown and Cine is going to yield a really good starting safety for us.

If the coaches were as down on Brown as some and the coaches and medical staff didn't think there was enough chance for Cine to stay healthy enough to scrape the surface of the prospect he was...then CJGJ doesn't get traded.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Beyond what’s on the roster now, remaining FAs and the draft, we’ll still have an opportunity at the trade deadline if our options all don’t pan out… we aren’t really going to use 10+ picks next year.

I’d hope to get a premium position at 32, but if we get a tradeback offer - the top of the 2nd has been a fertile area in the past for safeties (Pitre, Branch).

Trading back from 32 and landing a safety like Xavier Watts at the top of RD2 would be a solid scenario.

There will still be good options at EDGE at 64 and DT at 96. And Howie will have the ammo to trade up for targets he desires.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No idea how you've watched him play enough when he didn't get any real chances until late in his rookie season before suffering his ACL injury and then hardly got the see the field at all last year on defense coming off that injury until very late in the season.  He has talent and he has elite speed for the safety position.  He's a playmaker in waiting, he just needs to get more playing experience and will only improve with that playing experience.  

What are you talking about. They gave him every opportunity possible to beat out Terrell Edmunds (who absolutely sucked) and he couldn't. They tried playing him in the slot and he got torched left and right. He was given plenty of opportunities to get onto the field in certain packages and he couldn't play. Dude couldn't even beat out McCollum for the 3rd S spot this year and we all saw how terrible he is. About the only thing we saw from him at S this year was getting torched on a deep TD in the SB. There is clearly enough evidence to suggest he doesn't have the football IQ or awareness to play S in a Vic Fangio scheme, and the fact that Vic wanted McCollum on the field over him is a major red flag. Either way, I'm going to trust my own eyes and Fangio's opinion over yours.

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Ringo and Brown are currently not in the same situation. While Ringo is certainly the odds on favorite to start at corner the Eagles brought in a decent veteran with 82 starts under his belt. Currently it's Brown (sucks), McCollum (sucks) and Cine (had a devastating injury that almost cost him his career) competing for a starting spot which is a recipe for disaster. Not only is it a problem on the surface but if Reed were to get hurt we would possibly have the worst starting safeties in the entire league. I've been patient with pretty much everything they have done thus far but trading CJGJ and NOT signing a replacement is inexcusable. 

 

It's March 16th.  There is going to be a combination of a veteran/draft pick likely to be brought in as well prior to camp.  If no one looks good during camp then they will pull some trade before the season like Roseman has done at safety and WR the last few years.

Just now, T-1000 said:

What are you talking about. They gave him every opportunity possible to beat out Terrell Edmunds (who absolutely sucked) and he couldn't. They tried playing him in the slot and he got torched left and right. He was given plenty of opportunities to get onto the field in certain packages and he couldn't play. Dude couldn't even beat out McCollum for the 3rd S spot this year and we all saw how terrible he is. About the only thing we saw from him at S this year was getting torched on a deep TD in the SB. There is clearly enough evidence to suggest he doesn't have the football IQ or awareness to play S in a Vic Fangio scheme, and the fact that Vic wanted McCollum on the field over him is a major red flag. Either way, I'm going to trust my own eyes and Fangio's opinion over yours.

 

You're so over the top negative I can't take you seriously and look forward to it blowing up in your face when Sydney becomes a quality starter.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yeah, it’s surprising that Howie hasn’t signed a safety to bolster this group (not really seeing Adoree as an option more like a contingency).

I agree, but right now we don't even have a contingency plan at Safety. At least Jackson has 82 games of starting experience as a fall back options if Ringo doesn't step up and/or gets hurt. Going into the season with some combination of Brown. McCollum, and Cine as the 2-4th safeties is a disaster waiting to happen. This isn't a rebuilding team where just throwing some draft pick out there who hasn't shown anything is perfectly fine. This idea that we have to find out if Brown can play when they are defending SB champs trying to get back is beyond flawed.

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Trading back from 32 and landing a safety like Xavier Watts at the top of RD2 would be a solid scenario.

There will still be good options at EDGE at 64 and DT at 96. And Howie will have the ammo to trade up for targets he desires.

Yeah, one of the goals ahead of the draft is to get your roster set so you aren’t committed to do anything and can make the most of the board.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I agree, but right now we don't even have a contingency plan at Safety. At least Jackson has 82 games of starting experience as a fall back options if Ringo doesn't step up and/or gets hurt. Going into the season with some combination of Brown. McCollum, and Cine as the 2-4th safeties is a disaster waiting to happen. This isn't a rebuilding team where just throwing some draft pick out there who hasn't shown anything is perfectly fine. This idea that we have to find out if Brown can play when they are defending SB champs trying to get back is beyond flawed.

Vic seems loath to put out unprepared / undisciplined players - if he’s making the grocery list… something must be afoot.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'm actually pretty optimistic the competition of Brown and Cine is going to yield a really good starting safety for us.

If the coaches were as down on Brown as some and the coaches and medical staff didn't think there was enough chance for Cine to stay healthy enough to scrape the surface of the prospect he was...then CJGJ doesn't get traded.

That is taking an awfully big leap. If the rumors/speculation are true and CJ asked for money and they didn't want to pay him they weren't going to risk having that distraction in the locker room regardless of what they think of Brown, McCollu, Cine. Not only that, they followed up the CJ move by being one of three teams in on signing Justin Reid who would have been an instant starter here and not even a back up plan/competition. Fangio also made it very clear throughout the season by playing a bum like McCollum over Brown what he thinks of him.

Trust what you have seen and read the tea leaves just a little bit. They are not set at Safety.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Vic seems loath to put out unprepared / undisciplined players - if he’s making the grocery list… something must be afoot.

Bingo, and that is what I keep pointing out that the small amount of people defending Brown don't seem to grasp. Whether you think he can play or not stylistically he is simply not a fit in Fangio's scheme.

44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

This board is going to the extreme of hating Brown.  

Yea, I'm not sure where the Sydney Brown sucks is coming from. He hasn't even had a chance to play yet. He's made a few boneheaded plays on ST, but he made some plays in his one and only start against the Giants. 

He's played a whopping 414 snaps over his 2 years, and was coming back from a torn ACL this year. In those 414 snaps, he has 2 INTs, 1 pick 6, 2 forced fumbles, 5 passes defended and a tackle for loss. 

Yea, he's going to show can be disciplined, but this idea that he's bad is confusing as hell.

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, because I watched him get torched left and right during his rookie season and then when he actually did get to play last season I saw him get torched for a deep TD at the end of the SB. Furthermore dude couldn't even beat out McCollum for the 3rd S spot and we all saw how terrible he is as well when he had to come in to the Washington game when CJ got tossed.

Not every rookie is going to be Quinyon Mitchell or Cooper DeJean. He's barely played and he's made mistakes. He has to learn how to play under control, but the guy is going to be a playmaker. Players of all talent levels look like crap their rookie seasons. 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I really don't see Lane's replacement coming this year. This OT class honestly blows. And taking an OT in round 1 would reek of desperation to fill a need. And OTs go early so you'd be picking like the 4th best OT most likely in a weak class. At that point you might as well just take a flier on a raw guy on day 3 and hope Stout can work his magic.

In a loaded DL and TE class, going OT in round 1 would IMO be a huge mistake in this class. Andre Dillard redux. Remember that class was loaded with DL, Eagles tried to get cute and take Dillard in a weaker OT class and it blew up in their face. Go with the strengths.

I agree this class is underwhelming, I hope that Josh Simmons gets close so we have actual depth and a plan beyond Lane but this seems unlikely. Connerly might be decent, might be Andre Dillard - not sure. Matt brought up Grant, who seems like a nice long play but as a project needs to be paired with Fred in the short-term (not specifically, but you get my drift).

This is the EDGE I want. Good arm length + twitched up. He's athletic enough to drop. He's only 21 (22 in Sept). He did 22 reps on the bench at 34' arms too.

I'm big on bend for pass-rushers and he has it. Stylistically, he's a good backup to Hunt/Smith as Fangio can call any play with those 3.

16 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Add this guy to potential RD5 gems at LB...

 

He looked really smooth at the combine.