37 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Neither Grant nor Anthony Belton are Lane replacements, but they are solid developmental backup IMO.  Look in at Grant’s frame as it is now, it is no worse than Jason Peters’s was when he was a UDFA.

If we want to get a 1st Round OT to replace Lane, Howie is almost surely going to have to trade for another team’s future 1st.

I like Grant but he has to put some weight on. Peters was 25 pounds heavier in his draft year.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're so over the top negative I can't take you seriously and look forward to it blowing up in your face when Sydney becomes a quality starter.

If you follow my posts at all you would realize how wrong you are. I am the type of fan who will almost always choose to view the glass half full and give Howie's moves and the players on the field the benefit of the doubt. Howie has let Williams, Sweat, Becton, Burks, Rodgers, and CJGJ go this off-season and I have vehemently defended 5 of those 6 moves.

There is just way too much evidence against Brown to think otherwise. He was given opportunity after opportunity as a rookie to beat out a bum like Terrell Edmunds, and he couldn't. They tried playing him in the slot and he got torched left and right. He plays so fast and aggressive that he gets himself out of position to make easy tackles. He is a nightmare when asked to play deep safety and be aware of coverage assignments and space. Fangio elected to play a bum like McCollum over him as a the 3rd safety. Please explain to me what you have seen out of Brown in his two NFL seasons that leads you to believe he can be a good 3rd S, let alone a good starting S, other than blindly believing he will because he was a 3rd round pick.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're so over the top negative I can't take you seriously and look forward to it blowing up in your face when Sydney becomes a quality starter.

If you follow my posts at all you would realize how wrong you are. I am the type of fan who will almost always choose to view the glass half full and give Howie's moves and the players on the field the benefit of the doubt. Howie has let Williams, Sweat, Becton, Burks, Rodgers, and CJGJ go this off-season and I have vehemently defended 5 of those 6 moves.

There is just way too much evidence against Brown to think otherwise. He was given opportunity after opportunity as a rookie to beat out a bum like Terrell Edmunds, and he couldn't. They tried playing him in the slot and he got torched left and right. He plays so fast and aggressive that he gets himself out of position to make easy tackles. He is a nightmare when asked to play deep safety and be aware of coverage assignments and space. Fangio elected to play a bum like McCollum over him as a the 3rd safety. Please explain to me what you have seen out of Brown in his two NFL seasons that leads you to believe he can be a good 3rd S, let alone a good starting S, other than blindly believing he will because he was a 3rd round pick.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not every rookie is going to be Quinyon Mitchell or Cooper DeJean. He's barely played and he's made mistakes. He has to learn how to play under control, but the guy is going to be a playmaker. Players of all talent levels look like crap their rookie seasons. 

So he sucked as a rookie because he was a rookie, and he sucked in his second year because he was coming off of an injury. What is the excuse going to be when he sucks again this coming season? Some of you just need to watch a guy play and trust what you see. Between pre-season, and games in his rookie year and second year I have seen plenty of him to know that he doesn't the necessary discipline or instincts to play S in a Vic Fangio scheme and if you can't draw a conclusion from Vic choosing to put a bum like McCollum out on the field over him this past season I don't know what to tell you.

Just now, T-1000 said:

So he sucked as a rookie because he was a rookie, and he sucked in his second year because he was coming off of an injury. What is the excuse going to be when he sucks again this coming season? Some of you just need to watch a guy play and trust what you see. Between pre-season, and games in his rookie year and second year I have seen plenty of him to know that he doesn't the necessary discipline or instincts to play S in a Vic Fangio scheme and if you can't draw a conclusion from Vic choosing to put a bum like McCollum out on the field over him this past season I don't know what to tell you.

I guess we disagree on what sucks is. I saw a guy who made mistakes, but also made plays. Playing time and experience goes a long way.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I guess we disagree on what sucks is. I saw a guy who made mistakes, but also made plays. Playing time and experience goes a long way.

I hope Sydney puts it together, and the cream rises to the top (you could say that about Cine as well)… but hope isn’t a strategy, so adding a S with a higher floor seems prudent.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

I hope Sydney puts it together, and the cream rises to the top (you could say that about Cine as well)… but hope isn’t a strategy, so adding a S will a higher floor seems prudent.

Bingo. I have pointed out numerous reasons and evidence as to why I don't think Brown will ever be a good starting S in this league and the only push back I get is blind hope that he can figure it out, which as you said is not a strategy.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I hope Sydney puts it together, and the cream rises to the top (you could say that about Cine as well)… but hope isn’t a strategy, so adding a S with a higher floor seems prudent.

I'm in no way suggesting adding more at safety. I just don't think Sydney Brown sucks. I love Cine and think he could be a player, although the chances of that aren't very high. I also thought Jerome Couplin had all the tools to be a great safety so, there's that.

37 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Neither Grant nor Anthony Belton are Lane replacements, but they are solid developmental backup IMO.  Look in at Grant’s frame as it is now, it is no worse than Jason Peters’s was when he was a UDFA.

If we want to get a 1st Round OT to replace Lane, Howie is almost surely going to have to trade for another team’s future 1st.

I like Grant but he has to put some weight on. Peters was 25 pounds heavier in his draft year.

I think there’s a strong chance the Eagles move up in round 1. They’ll move up for most likely an edge rusher, maybe a DB (S or CB) they really like. I initially thought maybe a tight end that drops, but why trade up for a guy who’s going to be your number 4 option on offense? 

I could possibly see Goedert or maybe even Dotson traded on draft day. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I think there’s a strong chance the Eagles move up in round 1. They’ll move up for most likely an edge rusher, maybe a DB (S or CB) they really like. I initially thought maybe a tight end that drops, but why trade up for a guy who’s going to be your number 4 option on offense? 

I could possibly see Goedert or maybe even Dotson traded on draft day. 

I’d watch the Vikings (24), as they are short picks. With 4x 5s we can move around a bit.

12 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So he sucked as a rookie because he was a rookie, and he sucked in his second year because he was coming off of an injury. What is the excuse going to be when he sucks again this coming season? Some of you just need to watch a guy play and trust what you see. Between pre-season, and games in his rookie year and second year I have seen plenty of him to know that he doesn't the necessary discipline or instincts to play S in a Vic Fangio scheme and if you can't draw a conclusion from Vic choosing to put a bum like McCollum out on the field over him this past season I don't know what to tell you.

What if he doesn't suck, what if he is middle of the road?   You are very sure of yourself and you may take a lap patting yourself on the back this coming season in relation to Brown, but it is possible that Vic and Parker get Brown to be good enough.

There was a comment, I forget by whom and am too lazy to hunt it up, that Becton was the least important pulling blocker, that all the other guys were more valuable than he. So, I picked a game purely at random and clocked all the pulling linemen. The game I picked (blind) turned out to be the first Rams game. The numbers don't prove Becton's value by themselves but I found them interesting. This is what I got - number of pulls:

Mailata - 2

Dickerson - 5

Jurgens - 5

Becton - 7

Lane - 1

TEs - 12.

Stoutland had more than one guy pulling on several plays. I counted them both if that happened. I thought it interesting that the TEs pulled so much. That's a key breaker. Inside LBs key on guards, not TEs.

Becton made the key block on both of Saquon's long runs. On the second run, Becton and Calcaterra pulled right to left and what I found interesting was that Becton blocked Calcaterra's guy and vice versa. Really pretty adjustment on the fly and Saquon scored untouched from 70+.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  You saw something different than TEW or Just Relax saw. I personally saw something closer to what they saw rather than what you saw.  

Over the years I have observed that mistakes matter a lot to you.  I once had a client who said to me multiple times, "Your company really frustrates me.  You do ten things right, and then do something wrong, and you are worse off than when you started!”  I think you and Paula think a lot alike.  On the other hand, TEW (like me) is often overly optimistic … sometimes to a fault.  Just Relax is a well balanced rock in the middle.

FWIW, the three of you are some of my favorite posters.

I think we can all start referring to TJ as Paula from now on. Thats a good one.

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’d watch the Vikings (24), as they are short picks. With 4x 5s we can move around a bit.

I’m looking at the Chargers at 22 and am wondering if Goedert and a pick or two would do the trick. Not sure on their TE situation but he’d be perfect for Herbert and Harbaugh’s offense. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m looking at the Chargers at 22 and am wondering if Goedert and a pick or two would do the trick. Not sure on their TE situation but he’d be perfect for Herbert and Harbaugh’s offense. 

Out of curiosity, who would you want Howie to target @ 22?

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Out of curiosity, who would you want Howie to target @ 22?

I haven’t really looked but I’d assume it would be an edge rusher or safety. Warren (TE) would be great if he fell. 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m looking at the Chargers at 22 and am wondering if Goedert and a pick or two would do the trick. Not sure on their TE situation but he’d be perfect for Herbert and Harbaugh’s offense. 

I’m not particularly enchanted by creating a hole at TE, but it sounds like it might work for SD if they are willing to buy a quality bridge.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I’m thinking the opposite.  Edge before DT because the Edge prospects thin out in Day 2 but the DT prospects stay very strong.

All things being equal I would agree, but they rarely are.

I think the day 2 depth at DT means the DEs fly off the board. , so DT is likely to have a better prospect available.

My guess is we then trade up from 64 to get a tier 3 DE.

45 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I'm not sure where the Sydney Brown sucks is coming from. He hasn't even had a chance to play yet. He's made a few boneheaded plays on ST, but he made some plays in his one and only start against the Giants. 

He's played a whopping 414 snaps over his 2 years, and was coming back from a torn ACL this year. In those 414 snaps, he has 2 INTs, 1 pick 6, 2 forced fumbles, 5 passes defended and a tackle for loss. 

Yea, he's going to show can be disciplined, but this idea that he's bad is confusing as hell.

Some people dont know stuff.

45 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yea, I'm not sure where the Sydney Brown sucks is coming from. He hasn't even had a chance to play yet. He's made a few boneheaded plays on ST, but he made some plays in his one and only start against the Giants. 

He's played a whopping 414 snaps over his 2 years, and was coming back from a torn ACL this year. In those 414 snaps, he has 2 INTs, 1 pick 6, 2 forced fumbles, 5 passes defended and a tackle for loss. 

Yea, he's going to show can be disciplined, but this idea that he's bad is confusing as hell.

Some people dont know stuff.

33 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I hope Sydney puts it together, and the cream rises to the top (you could say that about Cine as well)… but hope isn’t a strategy, so adding a S with a higher floor seems prudent.

What if that guy came as a rd 7 or UDFA?

I think people want experience more than anything. But Akili Arnold is a high floor prospect who will go very late due to age, and a poor pro day 40. He is a good cover guy, and just very sound all around.

Reminds me of Kinchens who could clearly play and teams stayed away due to his 40. He had a very nice year as a rookie. 

Listening to NFL Radio this morning they had a Falcons beat writer on, talking about needing more than one edge rusher.  They discussed how the Falcons should be interested in trading for Huff

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Listening to NFL Radio this morning they had a Falcons beat writer on, talking about needing more than one edge rusher.  They discussed how the Falcons should be interested in trading for Huff

I thought maybe Huff for Pitts made sense since they are stuck with an 11 mil option on Pitts which is too high so might offset each other a bit. That’s assuming Goedert is gone 

27 minutes ago, just relax said:

There was a comment, I forget by whom and am too lazy to hunt it up, that Becton was the least important pulling blocker, that all the other guys were more valuable than he. So, I picked a game purely at random and clocked all the pulling linemen. The game I picked (blind) turned out to be the first Rams game. The numbers don't prove Becton's value by themselves but I found them interesting. This is what I got - number of pulls:

Mailata - 2

Dickerson - 5

Jurgens - 5

Becton - 7

Lane - 1

TEs - 12.

Stoutland had more than one guy pulling on several plays. I counted them both if that happened. I thought it interesting that the TEs pulled so much. That's a key breaker. Inside LBs key on guards, not TEs.

Becton made the key block on both of Saquon's long runs. On the second run, Becton and Calcaterra pulled right to left and what I found interesting was that Becton blocked Calcaterra's guy and vice versa. Really pretty adjustment on the fly and Saquon scored untouched from 70+.

Goedert was still injured at this point if I remember correctly.

So it would make sense to get Calcaterra on the move as much as possible. He’s pretty good at blocking when he has a head of steam. Inline, not so much.