22 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

Who said the Eagles should pencil Brown in as a starter? You just want to argue until people say he sucks and should drop out of the league. 

Try to follow along. I know if you try really hard and use all of your brain cells you just might be able to pull it off. Remember that argument that had nothing to do with you which you felt the need the insert yourself into? Dude said he was more than fine with Brown, McCollum, and Cine battling it out in camp for a starting safety spot next to Blankenship. Let me guess though, you will say that isn't penciling him in since it could be any of three. Either way depending on any of them to be a starter next season would be a laughably bad decision. Maybe fans like you and him didn't learn from the disaster that was that position the last time they moved on from CJGJ, but hopefully the front office did.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

We don't have time to give people on the job training and development through mistakes with starting positions since we are a SB contender.

I couldn’t disagree more.  Every season games 1 through 9 are all about on the job training, building chemistry, building cohesion and developing a rhythm.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You were the one who said 10 touches a game.  Now you're moving the goal posts to average yards per touch.

No.  I’m pretty sure you’re trolling but if you’re not …it’s simple math:

10 touches a game for a WR who averages 15 Yards per reception = 150 yards per game.

10 touches per game for a RB who averages 5 yards per carry = 50 yards per game.

 

That’s what it’s 100% fine to draft a WR in the 1st round who will get 10 touches per game because those 10 touches should equate to around 150 yards per game.

And that’s why you would never draft a RB in the 1st round for only 10 touches a game because those 10 touches would likely equate to around 50 yards. 
 

Capish? 

35 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

  His average pre carry isn't above average is it?  We understand your opinion is fact and everybody else that doesn't agree with you doesn't know anything.  Never said anything about Brown.  

Name name 10 RB's in the NFL that are 6'0 250 pounds who can rush for over 4 YPC, Have multiple 700+ yard rushing seasons, catch 30+ passes, and are known to be plus pass blockers. I'll be waiting. Dude is a physical freak at his size and on that alone makes him an above average RB. The production and ability only adds to that. But please, feel free to keep white knighting for your fellow dummies so I can keep tooling you.

39 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

  His average pre carry isn't above average is it?  We understand your opinion is fact and everybody else that doesn't agree with you doesn't know anything.  Never said anything about Brown.  

Name 10 RB's in the NFL that are 6'0 250 pounds who can rush for over 4 YPC, Have multiple 700+ yard rushing seasons, catch 30+ passes, and are known to be plus pass blockers. I'll be waiting. Dude is a physical freak at his size and on that alone makes him an above average RB. The production and ability only adds to that. But please, feel free to keep white knighting for your fellow dummies so I can keep tooling you.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I don't see us as "win or bust" this year. I see a team under Howie that has it's eye on the "now" and on the future

Bingo!  Don’t focus on one more Super Bowl.  Focus on six or seven Super Bowls.  Focusing on just the immediate one that is at hand is little more than a premature ejaculation..

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I couldn’t disagree more.  Every season games 1 through 9 are all about on the job training, building chemistry, building cohesion and developing a rhythm.

Thankfully NFL teams don't think like you. They don't hand out starting jobs like lollipops at the dentist's office so players can learn and develop on the fly while the team is trying to win every game possible to not only get into the playoffs but get the highest seed possible. Certainly not teams who have legit hopes of winning a SB which I would think and hope the defending champs would have.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Try to follow along. I know if you try really hard and use all of your brain cells you just might be able to pull it off. Remember that argument that had nothing to do with you which you felt the need the insert yourself into? Dude said he was more than fine with Brown, McCollum, and Cine battling it out in camp for a starting safety spot next to Blankenship. Let me guess though, you will say that isn't penciling him in since it could be any of three. Either way depending on any of them to be a starter next season would be a laughably bad decision. Maybe fans like you and him didn't learn from the disaster that was that position the last time they moved on from CJGJ, but hopefully the front office did.

Good for him . Yet you feel the need to keep Arguing with him.  I don't think Brown is worth a crap either. So maybe keep making assumptions on fans like me and him. I'm assuming you have only made comments on this board that were only  directed towards you? 

4 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

Good for him . Yet you feel the need to keep Arguing with him.  I don't think Brown is worth a crap either. So maybe keep making assumptions on fans like me and him. I'm assuming you have only made comments on this board that were only  directed towards you? 

So let me get this straight. You also think Brown sucks but still felt the need to throw shade at me and start up an argument, in the middle of he and I arguing. Now as a result you feel the need to call me out for arguing with him. Make up your mind.

As for the last comment. Once in a while I will get involved but I typically mind my own business and I certainly don't feel the need to jump in and white knight for another grown a$$ man.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Bingo!  Don’t focus on one more Super Bowl.  Focus on six or seven Super Bowls.  Focusing on just the immediate one that is at hand is little more than a premature ejaculation..

Too bad nobody said they should put all of their focus into winning one more SB in 2025 and the hell with the future. Typical strawman when someone has nothing else.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Name name 10 RB's in the NFL that are 6'0 250 pounds who can rush for over 4 YPC, Have multiple 700+ yard rushing seasons, catch 30+ passes, and are known to be plus pass blockers. I'll be waiting. Dude is a physical freak at his size and on that alone makes him an above average RB. The production and ability only adds to that. But please, feel free to keep white knighting for your fellow dummies so I can keep tooling you.

Yeah ok. What should his size matter?  Production is production. Definitely no white knight here.  You like Dillon . Good for you.  Not everyone has to agree with you.  Hopefully the signing works out. 

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

So let me get this straight. You also think Brown sucks but still felt the need to throw shade at me and start up an argument, in the middle of he and I arguing. Now as a result you feel the need to call me out for arguing with him. Make up your mind.

As for the last comment. Once in a while I will get involved but I typically mind my own business and I certainly don't feel the need to jump in and white knight for another grown a$$ man.

 No white Knight I just don't feel the need to argue with somebody who doesn't share the same opinion as others.  

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

We don't have time to give people on the job training and development through mistakes with starting positions since we are a SB contender. Why is that point so hard for your to grasp? If we were a rebuilding team, it would be perfectly fine to let Brown, McCollum, and Cine battle it out and see what you have. That is not the reality of the situation. Look no further than some of the other positions where young guys will have a chance to earn bigger roles, there are veteran fall back options in place in case they don't earn it. Uche and Huff at edge (Hunt), Robinson at CB (Ringo). There isn't a single player on the roster with any big time pedigree or starting experience at the safety position beyond Reed. There is a GIGANTIC black hole at the positions right now and anyone who denies that is a moron. If Brown or McCollum were to beat out a Justin Simmons, Julian Blackmon, etc, than great. Going into camp without adding to the safety position because Brown "might get better" when you are a SB contender is moronic though. Thankfully Howie agrees with me since he tried to get Justin Reid and I have no doubt he will add a safety between now and the draft.

Furthermore, you conveniently left out the fact that in those 335 snaps as a rookie Brown got toasted time and time again in coverage and missed a ton of tackles getting himself out of position and/or going for the big hit instead of wrapping up. He is undisciplined, reckless, and often times just plays stupid which is the exact opposite of what Fangio looks for in his players. Lastly, f the fact that he never beat out McCollum (who also sucks) for the 3rd safety spot last season doesn't throw up major red flags I don't know what will.You can't even bring a modicum of common sense to the table with this conversation. Your entire argument is that despite visual evidence on the field that proves otherwise, Brown and McCollum are decent players who "might get better."

What? We don’t have time to give people on the job training? WTF?

What the heck do you think coaching is?

Sheesh!

You are so a snapshot analyst.

7 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

Yeah ok. What should his size matter?  Production is production. Definitely no white knight here.  You like Dillon . Good for you.  Not everyone has to agree with you.  Hopefully the signing works out. 

What should his size matter, lol? Because 6'0 250 pound RB's who can run the ball the way he does, catch passes out of the backfield, and pass protect are FN unicorns. There's a reason he was so successful in college, was drafted in the 2nd round, and was so successful for 3 out of the 4 seasons he played in the league.

Either way, you can't name 10 and are waiving the white flag? Just like I thought.

22 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Bingo!  Don’t focus on one more Super Bowl.  Focus on six or seven Super Bowls.  Focusing on just the immediate one that is at hand is little more than a premature ejaculation..

 

27 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Try to follow along. I know if you try really hard and use all of your brain cells you just might be able to pull it off. Remember that argument that had nothing to do with you which you felt the need the insert yourself into? Dude said he was more than fine with Brown, McCollum, and Cine battling it out in camp for a starting safety spot next to Blankenship. Let me guess though, you will say that isn't penciling him in since it could be any of three. Either way depending on any of them to be a starter next season would be a laughably bad decision. Maybe fans like you and him didn't learn from the disaster that was that position the last time they moved on from CJGJ, but hopefully the front office did.

ummmm ... they moved on from CJGJ a second time. Maybe you didn't hear? It certainly wasn't my decision. 

For any position, it’s about production over replacement, right?  I know I’m being captain obvious, but that’s why baseball has WAR.

Take the analytics and moneyball out of it though.  More 30,000’ subjective WAR for a second.

Until Barkley did what he did this year, over the last 20 years, the top end RBs didn’t provide a ton of WAR.  Touching the football a lot?  Sure.  But 4.8 vs. 4.6 ypc?  One could argue the OL impacts that more than the RB.

WR?  Edge?  It’s easier to anecdotally see and appreciate the WAR.  

Barkley brought that swagger back to the RB position.  But for a backup…those 5-7 carries per game probably are going to be somewhat generic.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

What? We don’t have time to give people on the job training? WTF?

What the heck do you think coaching is?

Sheesh!

You are so a snapshot analyst.

LMAO, not if they aren't ready for a starting job dummy. If that was the case Mailata would've have started right away and not had to wait until year three. Practice is where guys who aren't ready get that type of coaching and development. As of now nobody at Safety after Reed  has shown anything remotely resembling readiness to be a starter in this league, let alone for a SB contender.

Seriously, are you slow or something?

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

What should his size matter, lol? Because 6'0 250 pound RB's who can run the ball the way he does, catch passes out of the backfield, and pass protect are FN unicorns. There's a reason he was so successful in college, was drafted in the 2nd round, and was so successful for 3 out of the 4 seasons he played in the league.

Either way, you can't name 10 and are waiving the white flag? Just like I thought.

I don't need to name 10 because I don't think it matters.   His average per carry is below average. It doesn't matter that he weighs 250 pounds. He's such a freak teams weren't lining up sign him . Also you said in another statement the eagles don't have time for on the job training? Yeah makes perfect sense.  They should sit the draft out this year. 

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

ummmm ... they moved on from CJGJ a second time. Maybe you didn't hear? It certainly wasn't my decision. 

I will tell you the same thing, try following along. They moved on from CJGJ the first time and replaced him with a bum (Terrell Edmunds) and a 3rd round pick rookie (Sydeny Brown.) It was an epic failure, just as replacing him with some combination of Brown, McCollum, and Cine would be. I hope they learned from it and adequately replace him this time around. Got it?

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

What? We don’t have time to give people on the job training? WTF?

What the heck do you think coaching is?

Sheesh!

You are so a snapshot analyst.

Nolan Smith, Zach Baun, Quinyon Mitchell, Nakobe Dean,  Cooper DeJean, Moro Ojomo, Cam Jurgens, Mekhi Becton, Jalyx Hunt and Jalen Carter all pretty much did that during a super Bowl winning season --- but it can't be done. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

I will tell you the same thing, try following along. They moved on from CJGJ the first time and replaced him with a bum (Terrell Edmunds) and a 3rd round pick rookie (Sydeny Brown.) It was an epic failure, just as replacing him with some combination of Brown, McCollum, and Cine would be. I hope they learned from it and adequately replace him this time around. Got it?

The epic failure was replacing Gannon with Desai / Patricia and losing a good DB coach (Dennard  Wilson) in the process. 

2 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

I don't need to name 10 because I don't think it matters.   His average per carry is below average. It doesn't matter that he weighs 250 pounds. He's such a freak teams weren't lining up sign him . Also you said in another statement the eagles don't have time for on the job training? Yeah makes perfect sense.  They should sit the draft out this year. 

He averaged 5.3, 4.3, and 4.1 in his first three seasons. He had a down year at 3.4 in his fourth season which is a clear outlier. So you would be incorrect. Not only that, he was given the ball quite a bit in 3rd or 4th and short situations or at the goal line which will lower one's YPC. Lastly, RB's do more than just run the ball and he is a really good receiver and pass blocker.

You have ZERO clue how many teams did or did not make him contract offers so you fail again. Even if the market for him was thin it couldn't possibly be because he missed all of last season with a serious neck injury.

Talk about a FN weak and pathetic strawman. I said they aren't giving on the job training by making someone a starter who isn't ready and letting him learn by making crucial mistakes left and right during games when they are supposed to be a SB contender. Practice is where guys like that develop and learn which is the only place Sydney FN Brown should be getting reps next season.

I'm still waiting for you to name those RB's. If you want to run your big mouth be prepared to back it up white knight.

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Nolan Smith, Zach Baun, Quinyon Mitchell, Nakobe Dean,  Cooper DeJean, Moro Ojomo, Cam Jurgens, Mekhi Becton, Jalyx Hunt and Jalen Carter all pretty much did that during a super Bowl winning season --- but it can't be done. 

OMG are you on drugs or just that stupid. They didn't even put Smith on the field consistently until Graham got hurt and they had given up on Huff. They didn't blindly hand him a starting job on week one.

Baun, Q, Nakobe, and Becton were balling out from the start of camp.

Carter and Jurgens were starters all of the prior season and had already proven themselves capable of that.

Ojomo and Hunt were rotational pieces who barely played and earned more playing time as the season went on. They weren't handed a starting job and told to figure out how to get better in the mean time.

Weak sauce

 

 

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The epic failure was replacing Gannon with Desai / Patricia and losing a good DB coach (Dennard  Wilson) in the process. 

Yeah, because Terrell Edmunds was so good before and after that season and Brown balled out so hard with Fangio this season he couldn't even beat out McCollum for the 4th safety spot. Those coaches undoubtedly sucked but Howie **** the bed in his attempts to replace CJGJ that off-season.