2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Serious question … what is the specific meaning you apply to it?  For me there is learn on the job/fly or learn in the classroom.  Malcolm Gladwell talks about the value of learning on the job repetitions in his book Outliers.

To me I take learning on the fly as being unprepared and put into a situation you aren’t ready for and aren’t entirely sure what you should be doing. Similar to winging it and fake it till you make it. I agree both Quinyon and Cooper learned more as they played but both only started once having a high base line. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me I take learning on the fly as being unprepared and put into a situation you aren’t ready for and aren’t entirely sure what you should be doing. Similar to winging it and fake it till you make it. I agree both Quinyon and Cooper learned more as they played but both only started once having a high base line. 

Reed Blankenship had a few starts as a rookie in place of CJGJ and played well, but in the Super Bowl that season, he didn't play on defense. Did he earn the starting job in 2023 or was he forced to learn on the fly? Or was the learning on the fly what he did in 2022 while CJGJ was out?

53 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me I take learning on the fly as being unprepared and put into a situation you aren’t ready for and aren’t entirely sure what you should be doing. Similar to winging it and fake it till you make it. I agree both Quinyon and Cooper learned more as they played but both only started once having a high base line. 

Okay.  For me on the job and on the fly are identical.  What you describe is for me unprepared or unqualified.  Thanks for the explanation.

Following the request that we not clog up the Blog with Mock Drafts I posted this one in the Mock Drafts forum.  I was able to address Safety with the first pick, and then TE, developmental OT, Edge twice, and DT. 

 

7 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Cool, so according to you Jalen Carter's situation going into the 2024 season is comparable to Sydney Brown's going into 2025, and you wear your stupidity like a badge of honor.

Are you capable of posting without being insulting?

7 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

125m$ of the salary cap every year for 3 players

They've done nothing to help their O-Line, Burrow was sacked 48 times last year, they're going to Andrew Luck him chasing games because defensively they can't stop anyone and their best defender from the last 2 years either wants a trade or an extension they can't afford.

58 minutes ago, just relax said:

Are you capable of posting without being insulting?

 

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't think many WRs average 10/150 though.  So your comparison is very far off.

1st round WR’s should - or close.  So even at 12- 14 YPC the point is the same.  

We have the entire defensive coaching staff back. We saw player development at DL, LB and DB. I trust whatever rookies will come in, will get better. That's really big for the long-term health of the team.

Still can't believe people watched the 2024 Eagles and wanted Kellen Moore over Fangio/Parker. 

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

1st round WR’s should - or close.  So even at 12- 14 YPC the point is the same.  

Youre not with us in the real world. 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Are you capable of posting without being insulting?

I generally take that as a sign they don't even believe in their own arguments or their ability to rebut. If the person they are arguing with is indeed "stupid," other readers will see that. If they feel the need to constantly belittle the presenter of a contrary opinion, it's really because they struggle to present a strong argument and need to deflect attention from the argument to the opponent. 

That is what I "wear as a badge of honor."

15 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I generally take that as a sign they don't even believe in their own arguments or their ability to rebut. If the person they are arguing with is indeed "stupid," other readers will see that. If they feel the need to constantly belittle the presenter of a contrary opinion, it's really because they struggle to present a strong argument and need to deflect attention from the argument to the opponent. 

That is what I "wear as a badge of honor."

An old head take on a young head style

saying inflammatory things and using extreme language is how to get attention in the vast sea of opinion anymore. Just look at media, even beyond sports

it sucks, but thats the reality the younger masses have come up with. Trying to claim some moral high ground due to style never works. Ignore the style and get to the substance. 

 

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

An old head take on a young head style

saying inflammatory things and using extreme language is how to get attention in the vast sea of opinion anymore. Just look at media, even beyond sports

it sucks, but thats the reality the younger masses have come up with. Trying to claim some moral high ground due to style never works. Ignore the style and get to the substance. 

 

Glad many are pointing this out. The starting safety spot is an intriguing one and Sydney Brown is in the thick of it. We're just entering week 2 of FA and the 2025 season. Watching how this plays out is going to be one of the bigger stories from now until Week 1. It should be a good conversation to have on the boards. We're not all going to agree on things, but the way the conversation turned made me completely tune out the last 4 pages or so. 

I love seeing the point of view from others. and 99% of the time we handle it like adults, as we should. Disagreeing opinions are needed so you can try to understand other ways of looking at things. Let's hope we can move forward without putting each other down for no reason. 

 

Never thought this made sense for Eagles but glad Commanders might not get him

 

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

An old head take on a young head style

saying inflammatory things and using extreme language is how to get attention in the vast sea of opinion anymore. Just look at media, even beyond sports

it sucks, but thats the reality the younger masses have come up with. Trying to claim some moral high ground due to style never works. Ignore the style and get to the substance. 

 

I'm not sure it's an "age" thing. It's just a popular tactic --- especially on social media and even openly in politics today. When in doubt, discredit the opponent with unfounded accusations --- either to persuade others or to shame the opponent. 

Cinci basically has to hit on all their defensive draft picks and hope Burrow/Tee stay healthy. Good luck!

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Cinci basically has to hit on all their defensive draft picks and hope Burrow/Tee stay healthy. Good luck!

They can save money by devaluing the O-line. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

1st round WR’s should - or close.  So even at 12- 14 YPC the point is the same.  

Rather than talking about what 'should' happen.  Do you happen to know how many WRs hit the 10/150 mark this year?  

The answer:  ZERO.

10 receptions per game is 170 receptions.   The highest receptions this past year was 127 by Chase.  

150 yards per game is 2550 yards.   That's never even been approached... ever.   Highest in league history: 1964 by Calvin Johnson in 2012.

 

Let's consider 8 receptions on average at 13 ypc, since that's the middle of your range.

That's 136 receptions... which again, no one achieved this past year.  
And 13 ypc for those 136 receptions would be 1768 yards.  Again, Chase was closest at 1708 yards.  Second closest was Justin Jefferson at 1503 yards.   But only 103 receptions.  So, he hit the 15 ypc average, but didn't approach the ridiculous number of receptions you think is appropriate for a first round WR.  

Just for the sake of putting this to bed... no WR in the history of the NFL has EVER averaged 10 receptions per year.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-average-number-of-receptions-per-game-in-a-season-by-wide-receiver

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-average-number-of-yards-per-game-in-a-season-by-wide-receiver

19 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

An old head take on a young head style

saying inflammatory things and using extreme language is how to get attention in the vast sea of opinion anymore. Just look at media, even beyond sports

it sucks, but thats the reality the younger masses have come up with. Trying to claim some moral high ground due to style never works. Ignore the style and get to the substance. 

Counterpoint:

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Youre not with us in the real world. 

No, apparently you’re not. 

Alright…let’s put down some individual predictions here.  

- Nolan Smith.  Will he recover from injury and settle in as the guy he was down the stretch last year?  Was that a mirage or is that who he is now?

- Jordan Davis.  He was really good in the playoffs.  More effective per snap than even Milton Williams with sacks and pressures.  Of course, it’s easier to be more effective per snap when you have a light load.  Ojomo will give them good rotational snaps, but he’s just not going to be explosive or disruptive enough to replace Milton Williams.  Davis can.  Will he?  Will he play to that immense potential?

- Jalyx Hunt.  He actually has a lot in common with Josh Sweat.  Can he replace him?

- Bryce Huff.  Forget what he was signed to be…can he be an effective, disruptive rotational, situational pass rusher?

- Steen.  We know he can be a good RG.  But how will this power running offense be affected by not having a Becton level run blocker at RG?

- Cine/Ringo/Brown.  These 3 represent vast, enormous explosive athleticism.  Aside from Travis Hunter, there are no DBs in this entire draft that have a favorable athletic profile to Ringo…and Cine and Brown aren’t far off themselves.  Can these 3 combine for one CB2 and one deep safety?

 

The number of questions is alarming…but I really like the talent we have lined up for each of them.  The problem is that, just statistically, some of these guys are going to fall flat on their faces.

The other question…can the Eagles pass with just a little bit more volume in 2025 to offset Barkley being a little less sensational and having a RG that may be a little better in pass pro and a lot more ordinary in blowing open holes on the ground…
 

Probably looking at around $36M-40m per year for Quinyon by the time he comes up for a new contract in two years.  

 

 

 

 

And this is why Howie is cutting cap to pay for his young CBs

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Rather than talking about what 'should' happen.  Do you happen to know how many WRs hit the 10/150 mark this year?  

The answer:  ZERO.

10 receptions per game is 170 receptions.   The highest receptions this past year was 127 by Chase.  

150 yards per game is 2550 yards.   That's never even been approached... ever.   Highest in league history: 1964 by Calvin Johnson in 2012.

 

Let's consider 8 receptions on average at 13 ypc, since that's the middle of your range.

That's 136 receptions... which again, no one achieved this past year.  
And 13 ypc for those 136 receptions would be 1768 yards.  Again, Chase was closest at 1708 yards.  Second closest was Justin Jefferson at 1503 yards.   But only 103 receptions.  So, he hit the 15 ypc average, but didn't approach the ridiculous number of receptions you think is appropriate for a first round WR.  

Just for the sake of putting this to bed... no WR in the history of the NFL has EVER averaged 10 receptions per year.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-average-number-of-receptions-per-game-in-a-season-by-wide-receiver

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/highest-average-number-of-yards-per-game-in-a-season-by-wide-receiver

Instead of just jumping into conversations maybe go back and read what the conversation was about first.

The point started with how a 1st round RB we would draft would only get 8-10 touches a game and there were actually people here justifying it because a 1st round WR could also get 8-10 touches per game.

 

NONSENSiCAL comparison.  Not sure what’s going on around here but it seems as if people’s knowledge of NFL football has disappeared.   Or people are trolling.  Not sure which is worse. 
 

Let me simplify it for people that still refuse to understand.

A 1st round WR will do more with 8-10 touches per game than a 1st round RB will 99% of the time.   Thats why it’s "ok” to draft a WR in the first round knowing he will only get 8-10 touches per game vs drafting a RB in the first round knowing he will only get 8-10 touches per game. 
 

Moral of the story is that you don’t use your first round pick on a RB if you know that RB will only get 8 touches per game. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Alright…let’s put down some individual predictions here.  

- Nolan Smith.  Will he recover from injury and settle in as the guy he was down the stretch last year?  Was that a mirage or is that who he is now?

- Jordan Davis.  He was really good in the playoffs.  More effective per snap than even Milton Williams with sacks and pressures.  Of course, it’s easier to be more effective per snap when you have a light load.  Ojomo will give them good rotational snaps, but he’s just not going to be explosive or disruptive enough to replace Milton Williams.  Davis can.  Will he?  Will he play to that immense potential?

- Jalyx Hunt.  He actually has a lot in common with Josh Sweat.  Can he replace him?

- Bryce Huff.  Forget what he was signed to be…can he be an effective, disruptive rotational, situational pass rusher?

- Steen.  We know he can be a good RG.  But how will this power running offense be affected by not having a Becton level run blocker at RG?

- Cine/Ringo/Brown.  These 3 represent vast, enormous explosive athleticism.  Aside from Travis Hunter, there are no DBs in this entire draft that have a favorable athletic profile to Ringo…and Cine and Brown aren’t far off themselves.  Can these 3 combine for one CB2 and one deep safety?

 

The number of questions is alarming…but I really like the talent we have lined up for each of them.  The problem is that, just statistically, some of these guys are going to fall flat on their faces.

The other question…can the Eagles pass with just a little bit more volume in 2025 to offset Barkley being a little less sensational and having a RG that may be a little better in pass pro and a lot more ordinary in blowing open holes on the ground…
 

I have to ask why people are so confident that Steen is good. The Eagles haven’t shown much confidence in him as most posters.