Just now, HazletonEagle said:

by the way, although the 6ers won yesterday, so did the Nets. So opportunity lost, but damage mitigated. 

38 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

And this is why Howie is cutting cap to pay for his young CBs

Sauce Gardner didn’t even get paid yet either 

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

by the way, although the 6ers won yesterday, so did the Nets. So opportunity lost, but damage mitigated. 

Grimes needs some "rest" days.

53 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The number of questions is alarming…but I really like the talent we have lined up for each of them.  The problem is that, just statistically, some of these guys are going to fall flat on their faces.

I don’t find the number of questions alarming at all.  I suspect that a similar assessment of all 32 teams will produce considerably more questions per team.  

Further, three of the questions are about one position, Edge.

And finally, for each of the questions save one the player(s) referenced has already demonstrated on the field a positive answer to the question.  Said another way, each question is asking whether the player will regress.

No one else in the league values offensive line as much as the Eagles.  If they don't believe Steen can be a non-liability at starting RG then they will not shy away from using one of theor top 3 picks on offensive line in the draft.

Don't see much reason to panic about any given position until we get into training camp. Still the most talented roster in the league.  As talented as last year's team? No, but that was also probably the most talented roster of this current century outside of the 2007 Patriots.

51 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have to ask why people are so confident that Steen is good. The Eagles haven’t shown much confidence in him as most posters. 

What the Eagles have shown … in both 2023 and 2024 is more confidence in other players.  More confidence in Jurgens and Becton does not necessarily mean no confidence in Steen, just slightly less confidence in him given the circumstances.

JMO

 

24 minutes ago, mattwill said:

What the Eagles have shown … in both 2023 and 2024 is more confidence in other players.  More confidence in Jurgens and Becton does not necessarily mean no confidence in Steen, just slightly less confidence in him given the circumstances.

JMO

I think the amount of work the Eagles put in on 2024 draft prospects who were guards as well as the reported interest in Fuatanu to play guard before transitioning to RT should also factor in here. The Eagles simply aren’t confident in Steen IMO. 

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I don’t find the number of questions alarming at all.  I suspect that a similar assessment of all 32 teams will produce considerably more questions per team.  

Further, three of the questions are about one position, Edge.

And finally, for each of the questions save one the player(s) referenced has already demonstrated on the field a positive answer to the question.  Said another way, each question is asking whether the player will regress.

Nolan Smith needs to not regress.

Hunt, Ringo, Cine/Brown, Davis, Steen...they all need to do more than not regress.  They need to take another step and be something they've never been before.  I'm on their bandwagon, but I'd argue they have not already demonstrated the answer to that question on the field.

Eagles will probably draft a guard. First round I'll be pretty pissed, but they'll draft one most likely. If not I think they'll give Green every opportunity to win the job and hope Stout can coach him up and maximize his physical ability.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I remember him saying he was ok with waiting until Dak and I think Lamb but I didn't think it'd be this long

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the amount of work the Eagles put in on 2024 draft prospects who were guards as well as the reported interest in Fuatanu to play guard before transitioning to RT should also factor in here. The Eagles simply aren’t confident in Steen IMO. 

I'm not team Steen here.  I didn't even like the draft pick.

I just think Steen has been "fine."  Surrounded by all-pro's, we aren't going to notice him in there.  Just like we didn't notice him in there with the many, many snaps he filled in for Dickerson and Becton in 2024.  Do I think it's going to cost Barkley a few hundred rushing yards and a few of those 70 yard TDs?  Yes.  But it's not going to derail our offense.

But as far as confidence is concerned...they drafted him.  They were going to turn the position over to him last year until an afterthought, Becton, stole the job.  They allowed Becton to walk on a very, very retainable deal.

You don't do that if you're not confident in Steen.  They may draft or sign/trade for more competition and insurance.  But the Philadelphia Eagles do not throw crap against the wall at OL and just hope something sticks.  Becton walked due to some degree of confidence in Steen.

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles will probably draft a guard. First round I'll be pretty pissed, but they'll draft one most likely. If not I think they'll give Green every opportunity to win the job and hope Stout can coach him up and maximize his physical ability.

I think the legend of Stout is starting to defy what one coach can reasonably do.  Green suuuucks.  Stout isn't turning him into the first round OG everyone once thought he was for week 1.  

I'm fine with an OL round 1...provided it's someone who can be a day 1 stud RG and then kick out to RT for Lane in 1-2 years.  That would be incredible, actually.

Problem is...there are zero guys in this draft...that I'm aware of...that have any interesting potential whatsoever for that.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nolan Smith needs to not regress.

Hunt, Ringo, Cine/Brown, Davis, Steen...they all need to do more than not regress.  They need to take another step and be something they've never been before.  I'm on their bandwagon, but I'd argue they have not already demonstrated the answer to that question on the field.

I respectfully disagree with you on Hunt and Davis.  What we saw from them both in the Playoffs would be a positive answer to eagle45’s question if replicated over a full season.  The one caveat to that is that the blowout nature of the SB and NFCCG limited Davis’ snap count.  He had the quality but not the quantity. I expect/want both quality and quantity from him in 2025.

One of my sleepers (kind of) that I haven't heard much in here is Thomas Fidone II, Tight End from Nebraska.  He was the number one TE recruit out of High School (ahead of Brock Bowers who was 2nd).  He had a torn ACL in 2021 and 2022.

Came into combine at 6 foot 5 and 243 pounds.  Long arms 34 inches/wing span 82 5/8.  His frame looks like it could easily pack on 15-20 pounds.  Also massive hands 10 5/8

Ran a 4.7 40 with 35.5 inch vert and 126 broad

Had the 2nd best 3 cone out of TE's at 7.01 and 2nd best Shuttle amongst TE's at 4.29

 

I get the Eagles need to go into 2025 with multiple options at edge, but I think Jalyx Hunt’s playoff run has been underrated a bit. If they can get Hunt to play at his playoff level all year next year, he’ll be a rock solid edge 2. His upside is blowing past Nolan Smith into legit edge 1 territory.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Green suuuucks.  Stout isn't turning him into the first round OG everyone once thought he was for week 1.  

I agree with this 100%.  Green will take the whole season to unlearn his bad habits and learn the Stout way.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I think the legend of Stout is starting to defy what one coach can reasonably do.  Green suuuucks.  Stout isn't turning him into the first round OG everyone once thought he was for week 1.  

I'm fine with an OL round 1...provided it's someone who can be a day 1 stud RG and then kick out to RT for Lane in 1-2 years.  That would be incredible, actually.

Problem is...there are zero guys in this draft...that I'm aware of...that have any interesting potential whatsoever for that.

His problem is football IQ, not talent, which can be taught. Doesn't mean he'll ever get it, but it's much more realistic than trying to make something of a guy with no talent. At least Green has really good physical tools. He also played on an awful OL with an awful OL coach that apparently had culture so bad they traded Tunsil and fired the OL coach. So he was in an awful environment to learn and thrive.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Instead of just jumping into conversations maybe go back and read what the conversation was about first.

The point started with how a 1st round RB we would draft would only get 8-10 touches a game and there were actually people here justifying it because a 1st round WR could also get 8-10 touches per game.

 

NONSENSiCAL comparison.  Not sure what’s going on around here but it seems as if people’s knowledge of NFL football has disappeared.   Or people are trolling.  Not sure which is worse. 
 

Let me simplify it for people that still refuse to understand.

A 1st round WR will do more with 8-10 touches per game than a 1st round RB will 99% of the time.   Thats why it’s "ok” to draft a WR in the first round knowing he will only get 8-10 touches per game vs drafting a RB in the first round knowing he will only get 8-10 touches per game. 
 

Moral of the story is that you don’t use your first round pick on a RB if you know that RB will only get 8 touches per game. 

I read the whole conversation before jumping in, but you doubled down on the idea that a first round WR should produce 10/150.  I didn't jump in until you made that outlandish claim.  Sorry, that's when you took your point too far.  Hyperbole doesn't improve your initial point, it actually hurts it because you didn't use realistic values to defend your position.

 

BTW... even with your simplified version, you are overestimating what most WRs get.  8-10 touches is higher than they actually get on average in a game.  There have only been 13 seasons in the history of the NFL where a WR averaged 8 or more receptions.    So, if you want to say that a WR does more with the average touch than a RB does, make that argument.  I'd argue that WRs are getting crazy high salaries for a position that needs far more to go well for them to be effective and generally speaking, the top receiving threats in a given year don't usually correlate to the top finishing teams.   The top 2 receivers in terms of receptions per game were Chase (9 wins, no playoffs) and Nabers (3 wins).  McBride was 5th (8 wins), Lamb #7 (7 wins).   In fact, 7 of the top 10 missed the playoffs.

Looking at the flipside... top 10 rushers: 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs.

 

If you go to the team level, it gets even worse.  Even today, having a better running game than the competition is a marked advantage.

Top 10 in receptions: 7 of the top 10 MISSED the playoffs.
Top 10 in receiving yards: 6 of the top 10 MISSED the playoffs.
Top 10 in rushes: 7 of the top 10 MADE the playoffs.
Top 10 in rushing yards: 7 of the top 10 MADE the playoffs.

 

 

And at this stage of the NFL... it seems that investing highly in the RB position is actually a better money investment than WR.   It seems that the pendulum is swinging back towards the running game as a massive indicator of success.  If the goal is merely to rack up extra yards... passing is the way to go, but if the goal is to win games... having a dominant running game seems to be the safer bet, even in today's NFL.   Whether or not that equates to going RB at the very end of Round 1 or not is up for debate... but dollar for dollar, RBs had a much greater impact on team success than WRs.  

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I get the Eagles need to go into 2025 with multiple options at edge, but I think Jalyx Hunt’s playoff run has been underrated a bit. If they can get Hunt to play at his playoff level all year next year, he’ll be a rock solid edge 2. His upside is blowing past Nolan Smith into legit edge 1 territory.

I think people have to stop looking at Hunt as an edge rusher and more as a true 3-4 SOLB.

Whereas Smith is still learning how to play WOLB, he has the athleticism for it, but was primarily an edge rusher, Hunt has safety experience and is a long, fluid athlete. So think Carlos Emmons, not Riddick. Don't expect double digit sacks, rather, a guy Fangio can use as a decoy, drop into coverage, even sic on TEs in man at times.

Fangio needs LBs who can both pass rush and cover, which is why they paid Baun. If Smith keeps improving as a LB, it will give him three options to pass rush out of a 4-2-5 or 3-4 formation - and that's the key to his defense - send 4, but which 4? Both edges? LB up the "A" gap? Same way he loves a guy like DeJean who makes it easier to disguise coverages without sacrificing run defense. Keep the QB guessing for a second after the snap and confuse the OL blocking assignments.

12 hours ago, T-1000 said:

He averaged 5.3, 4.3, and 4.1 in his first three seasons. He had a down year at 3.4 in his fourth season which is a clear outlier. So you would be incorrect. Not only that, he was given the ball quite a bit in 3rd or 4th and short situations or at the goal line which will lower one's YPC. Lastly, RB's do more than just run the ball and he is a really good receiver and pass blocker.

You have ZERO clue how many teams did or did not make him contract offers so you fail again. Even if the market for him was thin it couldn't possibly be because he missed all of last season with a serious neck injury.

Talk about a FN weak and pathetic strawman. I said they aren't giving on the job training by making someone a starter who isn't ready and letting him learn by making crucial mistakes left and right during games when they are supposed to be a SB contender. Practice is where guys like that develop and learn which is the only place Sydney FN Brown should be getting reps next season.

I'm still waiting for you to name those RB's. If you want to run your big mouth be prepared to back it up white knight.

I dunno, kinda looks like a trend to me:

11 minutes ago, paco said:

I dunno, kinda looks like a trend to me:

Add the trendline.   

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sauce Gardner didn’t even get paid yet either 

These contracts are changing the league going forward. It's not sustainable to pay QBs 55 million,  WRs and DEs 40 million,  CBs north of 30 million, and DTs soon to be 40 as well. Howie is getting ahead of things, which doesn't thrill any of us, but you can see why. 

1 hour ago, metal said:

At this rate Q is going to get 40 per year when he's up for an extension.

And that contract is essentially fully guaranteed. $89 million of it.

And Coop too. Insane. Don't know how you pay Carter, Nolan, Cooper, Quinyon

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I think people have to stop looking at Hunt as an edge rusher and more as a true 3-4 SOLB.

Whereas Smith is still learning how to play WOLB, he has the athleticism for it, but was primarily an edge rusher, Hunt has safety experience and is a long, fluid athlete. So think Carlos Emmons, not Riddick. Don't expect double digit sacks, rather, a guy Fangio can use as a decoy, drop into coverage, even sic on TEs in man at times.

Fangio needs LBs who can both pass rush and cover, which is why they paid Baun. If Smith keeps improving as a LB, it will give him three options to pass rush out of a 4-2-5 or 3-4 formation - and that's the key to his defense - send 4, but which 4? Both edges? LB up the "A" gap? Same way he loves a guy like DeJean who makes it easier to disguise coverages without sacrificing run defense. Keep the QB guessing for a second after the snap and confuse the OL blocking assignments.

Pre-draft bias at the highest level