Don't show this to Aaron Rowand. This might be the weakest "crash" in to an outfield wall I've ever seen.

 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Don't show this to Aaron Rowand. This might be the weakest "crash" in to an outfield wall I've ever seen.

 

His name is too close to Kapler.  Get rid of him.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I read the whole conversation before jumping in, but you doubled down on the idea that a first round WR should produce 10/150.  I didn't jump in until you made that outlandish claim.  Sorry, that's when you took your point too far.  Hyperbole doesn't improve your initial point, it actually hurts it because you didn't use realistic values to defend your position.

 

BTW... even with your simplified version, you are overestimating what most WRs get.  8-10 touches is higher than they actually get on average in a game.  There have only been 13 seasons in the history of the NFL where a WR averaged 8 or more receptions.    So, if you want to say that a WR does more with the average touch than a RB does, make that argument.  I'd argue that WRs are getting crazy high salaries for a position that needs far more to go well for them to be effective and generally speaking, the top receiving threats in a given year don't usually correlate to the top finishing teams.   The top 2 receivers in terms of receptions per game were Chase (9 wins, no playoffs) and Nabers (3 wins).  McBride was 5th (8 wins), Lamb #7 (7 wins).   In fact, 7 of the top 10 missed the playoffs.

Looking at the flipside... top 10 rushers: 5 of the top 10 made the playoffs.

 

If you go to the team level, it gets even worse.  Even today, having a better running game than the competition is a marked advantage.

Top 10 in receptions: 7 of the top 10 MISSED the playoffs.
Top 10 in receiving yards: 6 of the top 10 MISSED the playoffs.
Top 10 in rushes: 7 of the top 10 MADE the playoffs.
Top 10 in rushing yards: 7 of the top 10 MADE the playoffs.

 

 

And at this stage of the NFL... it seems that investing highly in the RB position is actually a better money investment than WR.   It seems that the pendulum is swinging back towards the running game as a massive indicator of success.  If the goal is merely to rack up extra yards... passing is the way to go, but if the goal is to win games... having a dominant running game seems to be the safer bet, even in today's NFL.   Whether or not that equates to going RB at the very end of Round 1 or not is up for debate... but dollar for dollar, RBs had a much greater impact on team success than WRs.  

I made my point and if you understood my point, it’s not even debatable.  
 

I’m glad everyone in the universe understood it except you.  Good day. 

Players in general care about money over winning. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated.

Exhibit A. Milton Williams. He just said signing his contract and becoming the highest AAV in Patriots history was a bigger moment for him than winning the Super Bowl. 

Exhibit B. Myles Garrett.

So on and so forth. There isn't going to be a guy who thinks "I already made X so I can take less at my next job". The only few times players leave money on the table is either to do a prove it deal TO MAKE MORE MONEY or if they do a small hometown discount to not uproot their entire families life. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And yet, many of these guys end up bankrupt, because they don't know how to plan for the future and just blow it all very quickly rather than planning and putting their futures in a secure position.

 

(BTW... after taxes and agent fees, these guys are really ending up with about half of the gross totals.). 

Was going to mention the first part. There are many stories you can go through of millionaires not handling the money well and blowing it all. Also of people winning the lottery only to lose it all

Berman made a point today that kind of ties into something we discussed a day or so ago and he said if Ringo wins the job this year and plays really well, he's likely gone in a year or two because they won't be able to afford to pay him, Quinyon and DeJean.

A big reason I don't think they'd use a first rounder on CB unless it was far and away #1 on their board.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I made my point.  I’m glad everyone in the universe understood it except you.  Good day. 

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Players in general care about money over winning. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated.

Exhibit A. Milton Williams. He just said signing his contract and becoming the highest AAV in Patriots history was a bigger moment for him than winning the Super Bowl. 

Exhibit B. Myles Garrett.

So on and so forth. There isn't going to be a guy who thinks "I already made X so I can take less at my next job". The only few times players leave money on the table is either to do a prove it deal TO MAKE MORE MONEY or if they do a small hometown discount to not uproot their entire families life. 

I don’t know why anyone would expect someone to NOT take the $$$. A championship doesn’t feed for family, and their kids,  their kids, and their kids. But $100m can. 

5 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I don’t know why anyone would expect someone to NOT take the $$$. A championship doesn’t feed for family, and their kids,  their kids, and their kids. But $100m can. 

I have no issue with players taking the biggest payday they can get, and they damn well should. Pro athletes' earnings potential is backwards when compared to everyone else in the country -- they make the most in their 20s and early 30s, but then they stop getting checks and have 50+ years they need to live. Most of these guys don't have the requisite skills to get "real" jobs -- they focused on football all their lives. A small handful will get media gigs, but most are going to be out of work in their 30s and the money needs to last a lifetime. 

13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I made my point and if you understood my point, it’s not even debatable.  
 

I’m glad everyone in the universe understood it except you.  Good day. 

Its very debatable and you responded like a child.

 

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Reid would've been awesome. It shows at least the Eagles are willing to solve a slightly pricier free agent and they aren't only targeting bottom of the barrel guys.

I still think if the right guy at the right price falls into place they will sign them potentially cancelling out Becton's 5th round compensatory pick. Ojulari is probably be the only guy out there who fits that bill. I definitely think if they can get Simmons or Blackmon at a price they like they will gladly give up the Rodgers 6th round comp pick. Who knows, maybe they can get a Marcus Williams on a cheap one year deal at some point coming off of a bad season. They almost signed him to a massive deal when he went to the Ravens.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman made a point today that kind of ties into something we discussed a day or so ago and he said if Ringo wins the job this year and plays really well, he's likely gone in a year or two because they won't be able to afford to pay him, Quinyon and DeJean.

A big reason I don't think they'd use a first rounder on CB unless it was far and away #1 on their board.

I think last year went so well that people are jaded into thinking that the Eagles will just become a factory of players in line for huge deals.  If we're being realistic it's possible that the opposite could happen and some of these guys that we say the Eagles need to save cap to re-sign might not live up to the billing this season.  That happens too

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Players in general care about money over winning. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated.

Exhibit A. Milton Williams. He just said signing his contract and becoming the highest AAV in Patriots history was a bigger moment for him than winning the Super Bowl. 

Exhibit B. Myles Garrett.

So on and so forth. There isn't going to be a guy who thinks "I already made X so I can take less at my next job". The only few times players leave money on the table is either to do a prove it deal TO MAKE MORE MONEY or if they do a small hometown discount to not uproot their entire families life. 

Or when the team circumvents the salary cap by paying a player's nutritional/lifestyle company directly in lieu of salary.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Lovato's snaps were a little erratic at times this year.  Mann did a great job holding.

Apparently, this was fairly obvious. I didn’t realize Lovato was on the schneid. Silver lining, maybe Jake can concentrate on his swing (unless he’s the next cap casualty).

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Or when the team circumvents the salary cap by paying a player's nutritional/lifestyle company directly in lieu of salary.

I'm surprised we haven't heard of others doing that considering he was never punished. At least that I remember

52 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

For reference, Lovato last year was 1 year, $1.26M. $100k gtd, $50k singing bonus

So this definitely had nothing to do about saving money and more about Lovato's performance (unless he quietly decided to retire).

Wait a minute, I thought Bo Wulf said the Eagles did this because they were being cheap and they would save money 🤔 🤣

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

Apparently, this was fairly obvious. I didn’t realize Lovato was on the schneid. Silver lining, maybe Jake can concentrate on his swing (unless he’s the next cap casualty).

There's also the idea of changing anything to help Jake. We're not taking over $10mm of dead money to cut a kicker, so Jake's not going anywhere. We all know kicking is more mental than anything else. So while Lovato was off this past year, letting Jake mentally blame it on the snaps might help him recover for 2025. 

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And yet, many of these guys end up bankrupt, because they don't know how to plan for the future and just blow it all very quickly rather than planning and putting their futures in a secure position.

 

(BTW... after taxes and agent fees, these guys are really ending up with about half of the gross totals.). 

Have they worked out a pension system through the NFL? Given the amount $ involved, you’d figure the NFLPA could figure out way to protect these guys from becoming penniless aside from pitching some OPEB seminars.

Yay or Nay

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I get along really well with the DB coach, I love the Fangio defense and I've played well in it in the past, but they couldn't pay me enough. I get that he's a Louisiana guy, but there's no way he believes that just by bringing Louisiana's "best" to the Saints that they are an all-star team and will be anywhere near competing for a SB. 

This is why the Josh Allen comments on having enough money were refreshing. Justin Reid has made $37 million so far in his career. He has enough money then he will ever need in life and so do his kids and their kids if he's not stupid with it. He easily could have signed with the Eagles to keep winning if he wanted to. 

 

 

Allen just signed a 6 year $330 million extension with $250 million guaranteed, and I believe he had already made $174 million-ish.  His signing bonus for this new contract will equal Reid's career earnings and Allen is refreshing? Lordy, your scale of refreshing vs. what I presume is your feelings of Reid being disingenuous are wack-a-doodle.

Furthermore, by the logic in your first paragraph Allen should demand a trade to the Eagles or KC and take much less money so he actually has a chance to win the SB.  

 

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Players in general care about money over winning. I don't know how many times this needs to be repeated.

Exhibit A. Milton Williams. He just said signing his contract and becoming the highest AAV in Patriots history was a bigger moment for him than winning the Super Bowl. 

Exhibit B. Myles Garrett.

So on and so forth. There isn't going to be a guy who thinks "I already made X so I can take less at my next job". The only few times players leave money on the table is either to do a prove it deal TO MAKE MORE MONEY or if they do a small hometown discount to not uproot their entire families life. 

I know. We can never relate with them, but sometimes it can just be so frustrating to hear them talk about what's important. 

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Allen just signed a 6 year $330 million extension with $250 million guaranteed, and I believe he had already made $174 million-ish.  His signing bonus for this new contract will equal Reid's career earnings and Allen is refreshing? Lordy, your scale of refreshing vs. what I presume is your feelings of Reid being disingenuous are wack-a-doodle.

Furthermore, by the logic in your first paragraph Allen should demand a trade to the Eagles or KC and take much less money so he actually has a chance to win the SB.  

 

That would be great

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Yay or Nay

Yay, you did very well with the formatting - the picture appears very small.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Nolan Smith needs to not regress.

Hunt, Ringo, Cine/Brown, Davis, Steen...they all need to do more than not regress.  They need to take another step and be something they've never been before.  I'm on their bandwagon, but I'd argue they have not already demonstrated the answer to that question on the field.

To have a complete team with no holes.

To win another SB they may well be enough without a big leap. We still got a very good team.

1 minute ago, Infam said:

To have a complete team with no holes.

To win another SB they may well be enough without a big leap. We still got a very good team.

Yep all the teams that repeated did so by winning with imperfect teams. They just were champions that did what it took when it counted.