49 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Bingo. Peters MAJORLY tarnished his legacy both as an Eagle and NFL player based on the last several years of his career. Peters prime in terms of the level of play was better than Lane, but not by much and there are so many things that go in Lane's favor it's not even funny in terms of Eagles Mount Rushmore.

-Lane was a a home grown talent having been drafted by the Eagles, Peters was not.

-Lane will end up playing his entire career as an Eagles, and likely retire while still playing at a high level. There were multiple seasons for Peters tenure as an Eagle where he was on a significant decline, then he ended up playing several more years for several more teams including the Cowboys.

-Lane has restructured his deal several times to help the organization create cap space. Peters literally held the Eagles hostage and demanded more money on a contract he had signed just a few months before because they wanted to switch him from G back to LT.

-More games played as an Eagle for Lane, and before his career is over he will probably have the franchise record for games played.

-Three SB appearances and two SB wins for Lane. One and one for Peters and he didn't even play in it.

Again, if the discussion is who was the better player in their prime that would be Peters. If we are discussing who had the better Eagles career and who has a right to being on an Eagles Mount Rushmore it is EASILY Lane FN Johnson.

Peters also seemed to have a false start a game.

Lane has the record for most consecutive games without giving up a sack that stretched over 2 seasons..

Love Peters but Lane to me has the better career.

I mean if were talking about best eagle o line man in their prime I might put shawn andrews at the top of the list but no one on their right mind is going to say hes better than peters or Lane overall.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Peters also seemed to have a false start a game.

Lane has the record for most consecutive games without giving up a sack that stretched over 2 seasons..

Love Peters but Lane to me has the better career.

I mean if were talking about best eagle o line man in their prime I might put shawn andrews at the top of the list but no one on their right mind is going to say hes better than peters or Lane overall.

Andrews honestly could have been one of the greatest Guards in the history of the NFL. It's ashame the kid such terrible mental health problems.

Just now, T-1000 said:

Andrews honestly could have been one of the greatest Guards in the history of the NFL. It's ashame the kid such terrible mental health problems.

Yup, he was a generational talent, had all the tools except the one that mattered the most, too bad ☹️

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t think they can do that though since he’s not under contract. If @Iggles_Phan is correct and his contract automatically voided at the start of the league year then it all hits in 2025. I don’t remember if he had a dummy year tacked on.

You may be right but…..

 

… don’t contacts that void have a trigger date associated with them?  I’ve seen it where it automatically voids 9/1.
 

Difference is there was a minimum base salary associated with those. BG doesn’t have that so I’m leaning to you being correct. Maybe Howie really is biting the bullet and taking on dead cap now vs pushing it. 

Reggie White was the most dominant player at his position I witnessed in Eagles green but 2024 Saquon is closer than you’d think.

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Strongly disagree. Normally that true 1st round cutoff is much later than this years. You could argue this year it’s somewhere in the top 10.

Okay, so the first tier … the true 1st round cutoff is somewhere in the top 10 … is smaller this year than in most other years.  That gives this draft a character of its own.  How is that character weird?  How does the weirdness manifest itself?

9 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I could say something here about 2005 that would be a fantastic grenade to lob into the blog...

Lob away!

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Bingo. Peters MAJORLY tarnished his legacy both as an Eagle and NFL player based on the last several years of his career. Peters prime in terms of the level of play was better than Lane, but not by much and there are so many things that go in Lane's favor it's not even funny in terms of Eagles Mount Rushmore.

-Lane was a a home grown talent having been drafted by the Eagles, Peters was not.

-Lane will end up playing his entire career as an Eagles, and likely retire while still playing at a high level. There were multiple seasons for Peters tenure as an Eagle where he was on a significant decline, then he ended up playing several more years for several more teams including the Cowboys.

-Lane has restructured his deal several times to help the organization create cap space. Peters literally held the Eagles hostage and demanded more money on a contract he had signed just a few months before because they wanted to switch him from G back to LT.

-More games played as an Eagle for Lane, and before his career is over he will probably have the franchise record for games played.

-Three SB appearances and two SB wins for Lane. One and one for Peters and he didn't even play in it.

Again, if the discussion is who was the better player in their prime that would be Peters. If we are discussing who had the better Eagles career and who has a right to being on an Eagles Mount Rushmore it is EASILY Lane FN Johnson.

Yea on an Eagles Mt Rushmore there's no earthly way I'm putting Jason Peters

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Okay, so the first tier … the true 1st round cutoff is somewhere in the top 10 … is smaller this year than in most other years.  That gives this draft a character of its own.  How is that character weird?  How does the weirdness manifest itself?

Respectfully, are you being intentionally obtuse? If most cars were shades of green and you saw a yellow one, would you call that having its "own character" and scoff at "weird"? Ok fine, this draft has its own character in that the top 2 tiers are smaller than normal - the quality of the guy at 15 is closer to the guy at 32 than it has been in any draft I recall. As in, what I clearly meant by "weird." Sheesh.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Van buren is not the best eagle in team history. 

That is an interesting statement.  What are your criteria for assessing that?

Reggie will always be my personal "best Eagle in team history” but if he leads Van Buren at all, it is by a very slim margin, and you can count the number of players in that conversation on one hand and have fingers left over.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Respectfully, are you being intentionally obtuse? If most cars were shades of green and you saw a yellow one, would you call that having its "own character" and scoff at "weird"? Ok fine, this draft has its own character in that the top 2 tiers are smaller than normal - the quality of the guy at 15 is closer to the guy at 32 than it has been in any draft I recall. As in, what I clearly meant by "weird." Sheesh.

We disagree that the top two tiers are smaller than normal.  I agree with you that the first tier is smaller than in past years, but the second tier is in my opinion larger than in past years, and as a result the end of the second tier and beginning of the third tier is pretty close to where it usually is, somewhere in the middle of the second round.  

What you are describing is very much like the tides of our oceans … with talent ebbing and flowing like the waters.  That isn’t weird, it is organic.

Regarding your car example, regardless whether the car is yellow or green … or for that matter blue or red or black or white … it is still a car in the universe of cars.  Now if I were on a street marked "cars-only” and the next vehicle that came toward me on that restricted road was a truck, then that would be weird.

46 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Reggie White was the most dominant player at his position I witnessed in Eagles green but 2024 Saquon is closer than you’d think.

For me it’s 

1. Early 90’s Reggie

2. 2013 Jason Peters (there have been 9 2000 yard backs, but I’ve never seen a 330lb man do the stuff he could do)

3. 2024 Saquon

4. 2018 Fletcher Cox

5. 2004 TO

Totally random but anyone remember Bryce Brown? No idea why he popped into my head. I remember when I was younger he had some beastly moments as a rookie. Then he went to Buffalo and kind of disappeared. I think maybe I remember him fumbling a lot but, still… big, strong, fast, kid. 

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

 

2. 2013 Jason Peters (there have been 9 2000 yard backs, but I’ve never seen a 330lb man do the stuff he could do)

Agree. He was dominant and could move. Was a TE at one point. 😄

5 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Totally random but anyone remember Bryce Brown? No idea why he popped into my head. I remember when I was younger he had some beastly moments as a rookie. Then he went to Buffalo and kind of disappeared. I think maybe I remember him fumbling a lot but, still… big, strong, fast, kid. 

He seriously looked like Bo Jackson for a stretch of about two or three games back in 2012 I think it was.

Watching all Eagles highlights. God I wished Westbrook got a ring. 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We can disagree. However time doesn’t stop and players who’s history come along and mean something to the city too. Imo the difference in the Schmidt and van buren comparison is Schmidt retired 36 years ago and he’s still widely (almost unanimously) considered the Phillies best player in franchise history and arguably best at his position in MLB history. I can’t say that about van buren. 

Imo Reggie or bednarik are more comparable to Schmidt. 

You are right, we can disagree.  It is a bit like the saying the most important ability is avail-ability.  By that I mean that almost nobody on this Board was even alive when Van Buren led the Eagles to back to back World Championships.  And the few of us who were alive then were either still in diapers or just recently out of diapers.  We certainly weren’t fans yet.  So everything we feel about Van Buren was/is vicarious.

Schmidt is real and tangible for almost all of us. We have experienced the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat together with him.  We were there when he said, "Philadelphia is the only city where you can experience the thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it the next day.”  Van Buren doesn’t have that going for him.  Hell 1948 was the first year of "game of the week” broadcast on ABC. TV was so limited that the 1949 Championship Game between the Eagles and the Rams played in Los Angeles was only made available to viewers on the West Coast because at the time, there was no way to send live TV programs from the West Coast to the East Coast and vice versa.

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Another topic who’s on the biggest eagles biggest bust MT Rushmore lol (whether draft or FA or trade)

Frank Gore

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

Respectfully, are you being intentionally obtuse? If most cars were shades of green and you saw a yellow one, would you call that having its "own character" and scoff at "weird"? Ok fine, this draft has its own character in that the top 2 tiers are smaller than normal - the quality of the guy at 15 is closer to the guy at 32 than it has been in any draft I recall. As in, what I clearly meant by "weird." Sheesh.

To try and redirect this interchange toward its positive aspects (with the understanding that reasonable people can agree to disagree reasonably) the following excerpt from today’s ESPN Draft article makes for interesting reading about the Eagles opportunities for sdding a Day One or Day Two Defensive Tackle.

The section of the ESPn Draft article on Edges is also interesting … even though Howie has added interesting Edge talent in Free Agency.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah... that's true.   But for the Eagles... as great as Reggie was, and he's clearly the only one in competition with Van Buren in my mind... he spent half his career elsewhere.  Van Buren spent all 8 years here.  (Ironically, Reggie also played 8 years here, but had 2 with the Showboats, 6 with the Packers and 1 with the Panthers.).  White was as dominant as they come, but for me... I think Van Buren still gets the nod.   And then you can wonder about if they should be including Bednarik...  But I still go Van Buren.

All-time Philadelphia Mt. Rushmore, only really fair, IMO with 1 rep for each franchise.

Wilt, Van Buren, Schmidt and Parent.

Second team:

Dr. J, White, Carlton, Clarke

This post makes me smile.  With the exception of Van Buren, all these players were experienced up close and personal … friends for life.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was a mercenary.  

I respectfully disagree.  He was a working man plying his trade.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

That is an interesting statement.  What are your criteria for assessing that?

Reggie will always be my personal "best Eagle in team history” but if he leads Van Buren at all, it is by a very slim margin, and you can count the number of players in that conversation on one hand and have fingers left over.

I can list a whole bunch different stats or criteria pertaining to Reggie white over van buren. Both are HOFers and really good so the accolades are both great. but really the thing that it comes down to me is in the history of the nfl, I personally think Reggie White is one of the top 2 defensive players of all time (i think it’s Lawrence Taylor at 1 then white but it’s super close). The nfl a couple years ago did a top 100 of greatest players, white was 7th (second best defender of all time to LT… bednarik was 35th and van buren 58th). That’s not just the eagles but in NFL history.

Now, you can say he didn’t do it all with the Eagles, that’s fine and can be held against him. If somebody came up and asked me who was the greatest eagle in their history my mind goes to Reggie White. not just because of his place in eagle history but where he sits in NFL history as one of the top 10 players of all time and top 3 on his side of the ball.

as a side note, the fact white has 124 sacks as an eagle (could’ve been more if they didn’t have that strike season where he was on pace for 28) in 121 games is unreal. Trent Cole is second with 85.5 and it took him 155 games. Frankly imo if we had lurie as owner instead of Berman i really don’t think white leaves and his numbers as an eagle look more eye-popping. 

3 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I’m sorry, but there’s no way I’d put Bernie Parent ahead of Bobby Clarke. He was the heart and soul of that team for a decade. Bernie had two great years, got hurt, and was never the same player again.

That choice illustrates the dilemma between being the greatest over a career … clearly Clarke … and greatest/apex performance over a season … just as clearly IMO Parent.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I can list a whole bunch different criteria pertaining to Reggie white over van buren. Both are HOFers and really good so the accolades are both great. but really the thing that it comes down to me is in the history of the nfl, I personally think Reggie White is one of the top 2 defensive players of all time (i think it’s Lawrence Taylor at 1 then white but it’s super close). The nfl a couple years ago did a top 100 of greatest players, white was 7th (second best defender of all time to LT… bednarik was 35th and van buren 58th). That’s not just the eagles but in NFL history.

Now, you can say he didn’t do it all with the Eagles, that’s fine and can be held against him. If somebody came up and asked me who was the greatest eagle in their history my mind goes to Reggie White. not just because of his place in eagle history but where he sits in NFL history as one of the top 10 players of all time and top 3 on his side of the ball.

as a side note, the fact white has 124 sacks as an eagle (could’ve been more if they didn’t have that strike season where he was on pace for 28) in 121 games is unreal. Trent Cole is second with 85.5 and it took him 155 games.  

As I said, Reggie is my personal #1, with Van Buren as #2.  

Comparing players of different eras and different positions is problematic at best.  Compare the NFL product of 1948/1949 with the product of Reggie’s time.  There is no comparison.  Each player needs to be evaluated in the context of their own era.  Van Buren stood alone above all others in his era, as did Reggie.  For the sake of discussion, as great as Brian Dawkins was, he was arguably not the best player at his position, much less the best player of all the positions.  White and Van Buren were.