6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Another one. Collin Oliver. Like Jihad Campbell, an off ball LB who is also a pass rusher. No one talking about this guy. Kollman says Campbell is the better off ball LB and Oliver is the better pass rusher. 

 

Pegues was interesting too. "Jumbo Travis Hunter". He played DT, but also did TE drills at the combine at 310lbs and looked good. Played both ways in college.

Fullback as well.  Seven rushing TDs and one pass receiving TD.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Just starting to take a look at the draft and the prospects who could be in the Eagles range at positions of need. Someone that jumps off the page right away as polarizing is Shemar Stewart. I know there have been some Georgia guys who didn't have a lot of production in college but have been good in the NFL. However, athletic traits or not his lack of sack production is pretty alarming. What does everyone think of him?

I was also alarmed. You want to rationalize it by saying, well on the same DL Shemar Turner, AND Nic Scourton also did not have good pass rusher production. For all of that talent to have minimal sacks that has to be scheme related, like Georgia. 

But what made up my mind that you can't overlook it, is that he also doesn't have run stopping production either. So now I feel you can't blame scheme.

To me, he's looking like a very likely bust.

On 2/26/2025 at 11:49 AM, mattwill said:

Fred Johnson is far preferable to Matt Pryor.

I see all the people that jumped on him because of Fred Johnson. You all should be ashamed!

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

Indeed you did back in February.

 

 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was also alarmed. You want to rationalize it by saying, well on the same DL Shemar Turner, AND Nic Scourton also did not have good pass rusher production. For all of that talent to have minimal sacks that has to be scheme related, like Georgia. 

But what made up my mind that you can't overlook it, is that he also doesn't have run stopping production either. So now I feel you can't blame scheme.

To me, he's looking like a very likely bust.

Fran said the lack of pass rush production for Stewart wasn’t just scheme related. Unlike the Georgia guys playing 4i (like Sweat at FSU), he got plenty of chances to rush off the edge and simply couldn’t win. He said he has trouble winning at the top of the rush and basically can’t find the ball against the run. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was also alarmed. You want to rationalize it by saying, well on the same DL Shemar Turner, AND Nic Scourton also did not have good pass rusher production. For all of that talent to have minimal sacks that has to be scheme related, like Georgia. 

But what made up my mind that you can't overlook it, is that he also doesn't have run stopping production either. So now I feel you can't blame scheme.

To me, he's looking like a very likely bust.

I don't care how good the physical traits are, if you only have 4.5 sacks in three college seasons that is a major concern. His own teammate Scourton had 5 last year alone.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Fran said the lack of pass rush production for Stewart wasn’t just scheme related. Unlike the Georgia guys playing 4i (like Sweat at FSU), he got plenty of chances to rush off the edge and simply couldn’t win. He said he has trouble winning at the top of the rush and basically can’t find the ball against the run. 

I'm seeing him go top 20 in a lot of mocks and I feel like I must be missing something.

23 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I see all the people that jumped on him because of Fred Johnson. You all should be ashamed!

If I had a middle name it would be shame.

13 hours ago, just relax said:

Not meaning to speak ill of the recently departed, but Johnson got progressively worse the more he played. Teams figured him out. My impression is that the DE over him would set up a little wider and Fred would turn rather than kick step out to him. He couldn’t get there.

I didn't feel he was progressively worse, but rather just had some bad reps now and then. If he were paid to be a starter, I would expect more consistency for sure. We pretty much trusted him when he was in and didn't really give him help and he went up against some pretty good pass rushers. Obviously he lost some battles, but in most cases the Eagles won the war. So for a backup, that isn't a terrible result. I still wouldn't mind keeping him for that price and believe the Eagles would have if it were completely up to them. 

But now he gets a shot to win a starting role and possibly earn his best contract (if he performs well enough). If it doesn't work out, perhaps we'll welcome him back  --- even if it starts out with a PS slot.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was also alarmed. You want to rationalize it by saying, well on the same DL Shemar Turner, AND Nic Scourton also did not have good pass rusher production. For all of that talent to have minimal sacks that has to be scheme related, like Georgia. 

But what made up my mind that you can't overlook it, is that he also doesn't have run stopping production either. So now I feel you can't blame scheme.

To me, he's looking like a very likely bust.

Early in the process, probably early in January, he was a shiny penny for me, but as more and more was discovered about him I’ve ended up where you are on him … likely bust.

22 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I don't care how good the physical traits are, if you only have 4.5 sacks in three college seasons that is a major concern. His own teammate Scourton had 5 last year alone.

He kind of reminds me of Broderick Bunkley, Athletic freak at his position but didnt really have any pass rush moves, couldnt finish or find the run, looked the part but was JAG.

56 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This isnt supposed to be a sleeper video, theyll do those soon. But this is someone no one is talking about yet. 

Which one?  Clearly not Nolen.

And while we are at it, here are the other five Honorable Mentions

 

 

34 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was also alarmed. You want to rationalize it by saying, well on the same DL Shemar Turner, AND Nic Scourton also did not have good pass rusher production. For all of that talent to have minimal sacks that has to be scheme related, like Georgia. 

But what made up my mind that you can't overlook it, is that he also doesn't have run stopping production either. So now I feel you can't blame scheme.

To me, he's looking like a very likely bust.

From what I have seen in my limited review is Scourton will be the better player in the NFL.  Don't really get the love for Stewart based on his play

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

He kind of reminds me of Broderick Bunkley, Athletic freak at his position but didnt really have any pass rush moves, couldnt finish or find the run, looked the part but was JAG.

Fran showed a clip of him just absolutely destroying the LT with speed off the whistle and without the QB even scrambling or stepping up in the pocket he just flat out missed a sack that happens 99% of the time.

59 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s kinda wild that the longest tenured Eagle on Defense is one of Jordan Davis, Nakobe Dean or Reed Blankenship.

That is nuts

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

He kind of reminds me of Broderick Bunkley, Athletic freak at his position but didnt really have any pass rush moves, couldnt finish or find the run, looked the part but was JAG.

Good comparison 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fran said the lack of pass rush production for Stewart wasn’t just scheme related. Unlike the Georgia guys playing 4i (like Sweat at FSU), he got plenty of chances to rush off the edge and simply couldn’t win. He said he has trouble winning at the top of the rush and basically can’t find the ball against the run. 

Yeah.  That's what the evidence pretty much tells you without even needing to see much of him play. 

38 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I don't care how good the physical traits are, if you only have 4.5 sacks in three college seasons that is a major concern. His own teammate Scourton had 5 last year alone.

And, Scourton had better sack production on his previous team. 

He's the guy who was hurt my the scheme.  He's the one I would draft. Steer clear of both of the Shamars.

17 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Early in the process, probably early in January, he was a shiny penny for me, but as more and more was discovered about him I’ve ended up where you are on him … likely bust.

Same. His speed stands out on the screen. Then you find out he's that big.  And you want to believe. 

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Which one?  Clearly not Nolen.

And while we are at it, here are the other five Honorable Mentions

 

 

The one I circled in red.  Elijah Williams

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Steer clear of both of the Shamars.

Sounds like a line from an Indiana Jones movie 

Maybe the only reason for optimism for Stewart is that he cut a ton of weight for the combine and then blew it up. Maybe he just wasn’t playing at the correct weight at A&M and it didn’t allow him to actually use that athleticism. Not that it will make him smarter against the run, but maybe he can be more explosive and flexible off the edge as a rusher. 

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe the only reason for optimism for Stewart is that he cut a ton of weight for the combine and then blew it up. Maybe he just wasn’t playing at the correct weight at A&M and it didn’t allow him to actually use that athleticism. Not that it will make him smarter against the run, but maybe he can be more explosive and flexible off the edge as a rusher. 

I didn't know Stewart lost weight but Scourton oddly went from playing at 285 during the season to weighing in at 257 for the combine so maybe there is something to them playing at the wrong weights during the season?

36 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I didn't know Stewart lost weight but Scourton oddly went from playing at 285 during the season to weighing in at 257 for the combine so maybe there is something to them playing at the wrong weights during the season?

I guess I can’t say what he played at during the season, but he was reportedly 281 at the Senior Bowl and then was 267 at the combine. 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I guess I can’t say what he played at during the season, but he was reportedly 281 at the Senior Bowl and then was 267 at the combine. 

290 was his playing weight

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Fran showed a clip of him just absolutely destroying the LT with speed off the whistle and without the QB even scrambling or stepping up in the pocket he just flat out missed a sack that happens 99% of the time.

Yeah Ill pass. Hope Howie does too