12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It would be the 4th highest cap number on the team, as of right now.   (5th if they don't do anything with Goedert's contract.)

Goedert wouldn’t even be on the team. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

More importantly he hasn’t improved to Howie’s standards.

It's true, Howie specifically said he wouldn't take Davis where he did if he was only a nose type run stuffer. Made his scouts explain to him as to why he's not just that and why he should take him where he did. 

However, I think there's still upside in the pass rushing dept for Davis. He started to flash that at the end of the year and Hurtt said he was working hard with him on it and he's nowhere near a finished product. Critical year for Davis coming up. He needs to show up to camp in tip top shape ready to prove himself. If he does and picks up where he left off, he can definitely take that next step. It's going to be a wait and see situation I feel. 
 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-dl-coach-knows-jordan-davis-is-far-from-finished-product-how-hes-developing-davis-into-every-down-dt/amp/

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I did. The Eagles allowed fewer points the less Jordan Davis was on the field. 

Even if that were not true, it would still be hard to argue that his ~12 snaps had a major role in making this a #1 defense. Thats just not a significant amount of playing time. Hard to be worth much with that workload. 

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

It's true, Howie specifically said he wouldn't take Davis where he did if he was only a nose type run stuffer. Made his scouts explain to him as to why he's not just that and why he should take him where he did. 

However, I think there's still upside in the pass rushing dept for Davis. He started to flash that at the end of the year and Hurtt said he was working hard with him on it and he's nowhere near a finished product. Critical year for Davis coming up. He needs to show up to camp in tip top shape ready to prove himself. If he does and picks up where he left off, he can definitely take that next step. It's going to be a wait and see situation I feel. 
 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/eagles-dl-coach-knows-jordan-davis-is-far-from-finished-product-how-hes-developing-davis-into-every-down-dt/amp/

which is unfortunate timing when an excellent DT draft is happening in a couple weeks. 

16 minutes ago, just relax said:

Fair enough. However, I offer as another example, the Eagles recent signing Matt Pryor. Immediately thereafter came a post: "Matt Pryor sucks.” I have no interest in who posted it but it drives home my point: judgment of that player was made in a snapshot. He is what he once was and will never be anything else.

At the age of 30, I think the jury is back with a verdict on who Matt Pryor is.  The Eagles are his 4th team in 4 years now.   So, he's a journeyman.  He might make the roster, or he might be a PS stash guy for in case of emergency.    He's averaged just over $1M per year over the last 3 and no details have been released about his contract, so its likely a deal of similar structure to his last 3 - basically league minimum with minimal if any guarantees.  

Does that mean he 'sucks'?   It sure doesn't mean that teams were beating down his door to land him.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I did. The Eagles allowed fewer points the less Jordan Davis was on the field. 

Was that a causation or a consequence?

Total points is a stat that includes garbage time points.  Points scored when a player is on the field would be interesting to look at  … kind of like +- or ERA.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Goedert wouldn’t even be on the team. 

Yup... and still have a huge cap hit!  . It would be the 2nd highest cap hit... or 4th if they spread it over two years somehow.   

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

which is unfortunate timing when an excellent DT draft is happening in a couple weeks. 

Agreed, but it is more of a Jalen Carter / Milton Williams kind of DT Draft than a Vita Vea kind of NT Draft.

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Arguments have made on both sides pro and con.  All I know is that when asked Fangio unequivocally said NT was the most important position in his defense.  Basically, he said, if you don't have one, it doesn't work 🤷‍♂️

Well that settles that for me. Had not heard that before.  

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Agreed, but it is more of a Jalen Carter / Milton Williams kind of DT Draft than a Vita Vea kind of NT Draft.

Couldn’t even say a Jordan Davis kind of NT draft?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

which is unfortunate timing when an excellent DT draft is happening in a couple weeks. 

Its going to be interesting to see what type of DT Howie goes after, does he get a bigger guy who is more a NT run stuffer to maybe eventually replace Davis or is he going to look for a guy to pair with Carter who can win one on ones when Carter gets doubled and get after the qb?

Guys thats can do both go top 10.

I like Norman-Lott as a pass rusher and hes not bad as a run stopped.

A lot really like Nolan and he looks to be a good pass rusher but is no good against the run and apparently has character issues  so im not sure 

Im not sure outside of Grant from michigan if there are any dominant NT run stuffing types in this draft, seems there are lots off pass rusher types and id guess thats where howie goes 🤷‍♂️

 

33 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I'm raking my brain trying to figure out where I heard him said that.  It might have been on Sirius XM as I listen all the time when I am driving or social media.  

At the end of the day, I think Howie picks up the fifth year option.  If it allows Fangio to keep his safeties in a two high shell on obvious running downs, it makes it a lot harder on the offense to figure out the defense.  From what I have read that is the biggest thing with his style of defense.  Being able to stop the run without having to commit a safety to the box allows him to be multiple in his coverages without tipping off the QB.  Davis definitely showed improvement in the postseason rushing the passer so that's an added bonus.

Oddly enough I’m fine if they pick up the option as long as they extend him to something more team friendly. I don’t think he’s worth the one year at the option number, but if they extend him off it to something that works for both that’s easier on the cap, fine. 

He also deserves props for his post season performance. That was more akin to the flashes I expected to see during his first 3 years in the regular season. I’m a little bit hesitant to use that as a projection for him moving forward. The 2024 SB run was eerily similar to 2017 by getting past the divisional round and the whole team is clicking to a point nothing can stop it. Just off the top of my head the 2017 SB we saw some of the best single game performances by guys like Corey Clement, Alshon Jeffery, Nick Foles and Zach Ertz. None of those guys were able to consistently play like that over the season, so I’m in a wait and see mode for a lot of these guys. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Couldn’t even say a Jordan Davis kind of NT draft?

That’s my question.  How much does Jordan Davis give you that Kenneth Grant, Cam Jackson, or Deone Walker can’t?  They’re all 340+ lbs and would prospect to be really good run stuffers at a fraction of the cost.

In other words — at this point, is Jordan Davis unique or replaceable?

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Agreed, but it is more of a Jalen Carter / Milton Williams kind of DT Draft than a Vita Vea kind of NT Draft.

eh... all kinds.

Kenneth Grant, Aldred Collins, Ty Robinson, Thor Griffith, JJ Pegues, Jamree Caldwell all seem like they could be players that fit the mold. Im not even that studied up on the draft this year so there are probably more. 

I would be thrilled with Grant in round 1. Happy with Collins at 32. The rest are probably day 3 guys. 

If you want a guy who is just supplying what Davis is as in, mainly just a 1 or 2 down run stopper, the list gets longer. 

Furthermore, we dont need a freak size guy to replace him. More than the size, results are what matters. If a guy is smaller than that and still plays the run well, then thats fine too. List gets even longer yet.

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Was that a causation or a consequence?

Total points is a stat that includes garbage time points.  Points scored when a player is on the field would be interesting to look at  … kind of like +- or ERA.

If Vic Fangio thought the more Jordan Davis played the better his defense would perform, do you not think his snap count would go up instead of down?

Why did Jalen Carters snaps increase post bye which correlated with better defensive output? 

The arguments for Davis have been pretty weak

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The arguments for Davis have been pretty weak

"Stop right there. The arguments for Mr Davis have been weak. I've had enough."

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That’s my question.  How much does Jordan Davis give you that Kenneth Grant, Cam Jackson, or Deone Walker can’t?  They’re all 340+ lbs and would prospect to be really good run stuffers at a fraction of the cost.

In other words — at this point, is Jordan Davis unique or replaceable?

Replaceable sadly or luckily depending how one looks at it  

Not that it means anything necessarily but PFF even gave Jordan Davis a better pass rush grade than they did run defense.

 

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

More importantly he hasn’t improved to Howie’s standards.

Perhaps. We’ll see. If Howie picks up the fifth year option that would prove you wrong, would you agree? If not, I’d be wrong. Fair enough?

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The arguments for Davis have been pretty weak

Thank you for sharing.

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That’s my question.  How much does Jordan Davis give you that Kenneth Grant, Cam Jackson, or Deone Walker can’t?  They’re all 340+ lbs and would prospect to be really good run stuffers at a fraction of the cost.

In other words — at this point, is Jordan Davis unique or replaceable?

Can they do this:

 

 

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

Perhaps. We’ll see. If Howie picks up the fifth year option that would prove you wrong, would you agree? If not, I’d be wrong. Fair enough?

No. Howie already set the standard by saying he needed to affect the passing game to be worth the pick. He has not to date. I also said I expect Howie to pick up his option. 

41 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Whats most important is that he doesnt appear to have improved to the team's standards. Personally Im of the mind that many people underrate his performance- when he plays. You see him make some amazing plays, and them someone on here will ask if hes even been in the game.  But, for whatever reason (I assume conditioning issues) the team keeps him on the sideline an awful lot. So, the question of picking up the option is tricky. The question of an extension is more than tricky. Maybe a little scary.

The alternative is a rookie on a much, much smaller contract. What Davis can be is a high bar for a rookie to achieve. The amount of snaps he gives you is a fairly low bar for a rookie to be able to earn. This happens to be a draft with a bunch of big DTs who appear to have some pass rush chops, or the physical tools to develop them. It is a good year to look for his replacement. Which adds to the uncertainty by posing the additional question- Should they try looking for his replacement?

Wish he had his Dexter Lawrence year 3 breakout. If you wait for him to do it in year 4, you risk losing out on a bunch of nice NT prospects and then, what if he doesnt break out?

 

I lean towards his snap count not being worth 12 or 13M a year. Id like a DT who can potentially take his job, but I also hope Hurtt is right and Davis breaks out this season.

While I lean the other way, I  like this post.  

The Jordan Davis haters are going to look so dumb this season.