19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Another point. You are looking at the player from a sentimental perspective rather than looking at his production. His history is one of decent production, but not noteworthy production. For example in his 10 starts Goedert produced 496 receiving yards on 42 catches … 11.8 YPC. In his 7 starts Calcaterra produced 298 receiving yards on 24 catches … 12.4 YPC.

He's the best blocking TE on the roster by far, the run game was substantially better with him on the field than not. And I don't think the numbers are indicative of how much better he is as a receiver. I think it's more indicative of how inconsistent this passing game was this season. Then when the passing offense really took off in the playoffs, we saw how valuable Goedert was. He may have been their second best offensive skill position player in the playoffs. He was tremendous.

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He's the best blocking TE on the roster by far, the run game was substantially better with him on the field than not. And I don't think the numbers are indicative of how much better he is as a receiver. I think it's more indicative of how inconsistent this passing game was this season. Then when the passing offense really took off in the playoffs, we saw how valuable Goedert was. He may have been their second best offensive skill position player in the playoffs. He was tremendous.

Agreed on his blocking skills and value, but that doesn’t equate to $35 million over two years of value. They wouldn’t pay Becton even half of that and Becton blocked far more often than Goedert did. If we need an accomplished blocking TE there is an outstanding one in the Draft.

I also agree that both Goedert’s and Calcaterra’s production and value as a receiver were suppressed by the offensive scheme and the fact that Brown Smith and Barkley are all better receivers than either Goedert or Calcaterra. However, neither the scheme nor the quality of the first three receiving targets are going to change. That makes the argument for Goedert’s value all the weaker. Plus 12.4 is a higher number than 11.8.

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

He's the best blocking TE on the roster by far, the run game was substantially better with him on the field than not. And I don't think the numbers are indicative of how much better he is as a receiver. I think it's more indicative of how inconsistent this passing game was this season. Then when the passing offense really took off in the playoffs, we saw how valuable Goedert was. He may have been their second best offensive skill position player in the playoffs. He was tremendous.

I'm all for keeping Goedert. He comes up big in the playoffs which is what matters most. So he misses some games during the regular season. BFD. When it matters he is there. Plus there is no in-house replacement. None of the other TEs can remotely compare.

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I've never enjoyed a more universal hate then what I'm seeing for the all woman "space crew". The self entitlement and feeling like they did something monumental is unbelievable.

I watched it only because it happened to be on as I was channel surfing; heard it was an 11-minute expedition so I figured I could watch that long. When I heard about the "all female crew” my thought was ‘definitely not the pilot, or they’ll never find their way back down’.

Shatner already went up there and he came back with the proper focus. It’s all death out there, so we’d better put our energies into making the Earth a better place.

Irish to English translation: I'd be a Jets fan, but I just enjoy watching football too much.

6 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

He's the best blocking TE on the roster by far, the run game was substantially better with him on the field than not. And I don't think the numbers are indicative of how much better he is as a receiver. I think it's more indicative of how inconsistent this passing game was this season. Then when the passing offense really took off in the playoffs, we saw how valuable Goedert was. He may have been their second best offensive skill position player in the playoffs. He was tremendous.

Nevermind the best blocking TE on the team, but one of the best in the entire league. And it's certainly not his fault his number isn't called more often. But when it is, he comes through especially in big games. Him missing games each year is the only negative. I like Grant but he's no where near Goedert. They're not going to pay him though, it's painfully obvious. I want to focus on defense early & often so would be ok with bypassing TE until day 3.

8 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

All of that for me to say I don't like it. A DT that mirrors Davis but not nearly as good, not a fan of Arroyo. Don't think there is any chance Roberts is available at 168, but do like the pick. Only one trade, no trading up in 2nd or 3rd rounds.

Why don’t you like Arroyo?

I understand concerns about his injury history, but is that it? Because as a prospect he seems really good to me.

Goedert is a casualty of Howie's approach to the cap, he backloaded the hell out of Goedert's contract to get him locked up 3 years ago and now the actual real value of the contract has come due after we've managed a string of decent drafts and have some young guys that are going to cost a lot of money to lock up over the next few years, and Goedert is too old and injury prone to risk the multi year extension it would take to resolve the void years cap hit at the beginning of next season.

Goedert is a good reliable outlet on tough third downs when he's available and is a class above every other TE on the roster, the bare numbers say Calcaterra has similar receiving stats but the eye test will tell you that they aren't close in terms of what they can do, I don't see a way we're finding a trade when teams know we're almost certain to release him and even if we did it won't be pre draft because the dead cap hit would be hard to swallow, so he'll be a late release trying to catch on with a new team which is a pretty rough way to treat a guy after 6 years.

In a way the fact that we are now having to make tough business decisions about good vet players is a testament to the steps forward in drafting we've made the last few years.

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

Agreed on his blocking skills and value, but that doesn’t equate to $35 million over two years of value. They wouldn’t pay Becton even half of that and Becton blocked far more often than Goedert did. If we need an accomplished blocking TE there is an outstanding one in the Draft.

I also agree that both Goedert’s and Calcaterra’s production and value as a receiver were suppressed by the offensive scheme and the fact that Brown Smith and Barkley are all better receivers than either Goedert or Calcaterra. However, neither the scheme nor the quality of the first three receiving targets are going to change. That makes the argument for Goedert’s value all the weaker. Plus 12.4 is a higher number than 11.8.

Its really $35M for one year, with the chance to pay it over 2.

3 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

I'm all for keeping Goedert. He comes up big in the playoffs which is what matters most. So he misses some games during the regular season. BFD. When it matters he is there. Plus there is no in-house replacement. None of the other TEs can remotely compare.

If his price tag were more in line with his value, then absolutely. He's a good player. The issue is... he's not THAT good a player. His price tag would be higher than Barkley and D. Smith... combined for 2025 and 2026. AND, he'll only be here to play for one of those seasons.

The contract was structured this way for a reason and he was 'cheap' in recent years, but the time to pay the piper is here. And now they have a major decision to make. It isn't as simple as keep him because he's talented. The cost comes into the equation.

1 week from the draft.

Some different names in here.

42 minutes ago, TEW said:

Why don’t you like Arroyo?

I understand concerns about his injury history, but is that it? Because as a prospect he seems really good to me.

Injuries- he missed two consecutive seasons, only one year playing. Makes me nervous.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Its really $35M for one year, with the chance to pay it over 2.

Isn’t a significant portion of that $35M, dead money that allowed us to ‘underpay’ Goedert in previous seasons?

They mention Justin Walley in this video which is the first Ive seen him mentioned by the media. Reported yesterday that the eagles had him visit.

Eagles are using some visits on guys who would project to be a backup nickel. Which I find odd. So my suspicion is that they are looking at guys like Jaylin Smith, Justin Walley, and Jacob Parrish as safeties.

Some names on Pete Prisco's Better Than team.

15 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Isn’t a significant portion of that $35M, dead money that allowed us to ‘underpay’ Goedert in previous seasons?

Yes, he's got bonuses prorated out the ying yang on void years, as I said in a longer post earlier we offered him a contract at a splashy number but paid him a lot less over the first 3 years and now the real bill is due, he'd need a long extension to smooth it out but he's already 30 and hasn't played a full slate since his rookie year.

Mock drafts are getting boring. Show me one where you don't take a DL in round 1-3 but you still feel good about

4 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Yes, he's got bonuses prorated out the ying yang on void years, as I said in a longer post earlier we offered him a contract at a splashy number but paid him a lot less over the first 3 years and now the real bill is due, he'd need a long extension to smooth it out but he's already 30 and hasn't played a full slate since his rookie year.

We should remember this context for Jalen…

9 hours ago, mattwill said:

Deion did not go out on the field and play. And Deion got paid handsomely for his role. Without Shadeur and Hunter producing on the field the story would have been very different.

Further, for future recruits/transfers, the money and accolades Deion got/gets is immaterial. Deion is not their peer, Shadeur is. They aspire to what Shadeur and Hunter received, and Colorado wants to hold out that carrot to them.

Colorado can do what they please. But it just looks strange to do this and to do it so quickly.

Me personally I don't like it if players are going to start getting their number retired because they helped bring in money for the university. You should get your number retired if you were an all time great player. Sanders wasn't that in my eyes.

My guess is they wanted to do it for Hunter and Deion didn't want his kid left out. I understand because it's his son. But again to me it just looks strange. Just my opinion.

12 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I've never enjoyed a more universal hate then what I'm seeing for the all woman "space crew". The self entitlement and feeling like they did something monumental is unbelievable.

Also the rocket itself reminds me of this one:

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We should remember this context for Jalen…

Hurts contract appears to be slightly different, according to OTC all his guaranteed money is gone by the end of 2027, he'll be 29 then so unless we go spectacularly off the rails I'd expect an extension at that point.

23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Mock drafts are getting boring. Show me one where you don't take a DL in round 1-3 but you still feel good about

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/forum/19-mock-draftsoffseasons/