48 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Love it, his upside is massive. Also, Pauline is the one who said the Eagles coveted Cam Jurgens and would take him in the 2nd round when most mocks had him going in the 3rd round.

He also thinks we take OG Matt Milum round 2. That I don't like at all.

I do like Femi a lot but not at 32. I do think he's gone with our 2nd however.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie doesn't have much of a positive track record in that department either... other than Smith, it was all big swings and misses. From Jordan Matthews to JJAW to Jalen Reagor... it was all bad.

Your point is certainly valid but Matthews was a Chip pick.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

He also thinks we take OG Matt Milum round 2. That I don't like at all.

I do like Femi a lot but not at 32. I do think he's gone with our 2nd however.

On one hand I agree that 32 is a little bit high, but on the other this draft is weird and I think "draft experts" rankings are going to get shredded on draft night.

everything is so... big

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I really like the idea of trading DOWN from 32 and trading UP from 64. I feel like early day two is where the value is in this draft. My ideal trade is 32, 64, and 134 to Seattle for 50, 52, and 92 which is really close on the trade chart.

Exactly!

Those picks in the 40-50ish range are where the guaranteed value seems to be, where mathematically players who could easily go in the 20-40 range should still be available just because of how shallow the blue chip talent is and how deep the second and third tier talent is

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Exactly!

Those picks in the 40-50ish range are where the guaranteed value seems to be, where mathematically players who could easily go in the 20-40 range should still be available just because of how shallow the blue chip talent is and how deep the second and third tier talent is

Yep. I really want to see them trade down from 32 and end up with an extra day two pick as a result so they have 4 cracks at it on night two.

32 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

By doing it a year early, it's likely below 'market value' when he was due to hit free agency. But this team always invests heavily on the OL. It's built in to their roster building strategy. That's going to need a little tweak here or there as they are now invested more heavily at RB and LB... but I don't see OL ever being a spot they go light on in terms of resources. The one that that they learned and learned well (even better than he taught it) was the importance of the OL. Other positions can come and go, but if the OL is always a strength, the offense will always have a high floor.

Maybe. The C market isn't exactly booming. Prior to Cam there were only 5 guys making more than $10M AAV. I'd be curious how many other teams would have interest at that price point or just pivot to a T or G.

No complaints from me though. It made sense to do it and do it now.

1 hour ago, shlo said:

I'm sure this will be an unpopular opinion, but I think it's an overpay. Jurgens is a good center, but his Pro Bowl is largely because the Eagles O Line as a whole is great and the best centers (other than Ragnow) are all in the AFC.

I think its your typical Howie extension. At the time of signing, it's a bit high. If he continues to develop and play at the same level or better as 2024 its going to be fine.

Comparing draft value of Oladejo to a guy like Donovan E is interesting.

Read the scouting reports for Oladejo, they say "developmental guy with big upside who could contribute sooner than expected.” For Donovan E, "he might not ever be good against the run.” Which is the higher ranked guy again?

There's only one position for center on the OL, you have 2 at guard and 2 at tackle. There's probably less than 10 centers drafted every year.

The center market is quite small, and if you have a player the level of Cam, you lock them up and don't look back.

For some reason, I just can't get into this years draft like I have in the past. Maybe it is because we are coming off a Superbowl or that we are picking at the bottom. Or, that I have complete faith in Howie with the input of Fangio and Stoutland at the most important positions on the team.

Tough to know who to focus on a couple of players with how Howie moves around the draft. There doesn't seem to be a lot of players who really distinguish themselves.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

By doing it a year early, it's likely below 'market value' when he was due to hit free agency. But this team always invests heavily on the OL. It's built in to their roster building strategy. That's going to need a little tweak here or there as they are now invested more heavily at RB and LB... but I don't see OL ever being a spot they go light on in terms of resources. The one that that they learned and learned well (even better than he taught it) was the importance of the OL. Other positions can come and go, but if the OL is always a strength, the offense will always have a high floor.

Turkey Hill Post of the Day!

30 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Comparing draft value of Oladejo to a guy like Donovan E is interesting.

Read the scouting reports for Oladejo, they say "developmental guy with big upside who could contribute sooner than expected.” For Donovan E, "he might not ever be good against the run.” Which is the higher ranked guy again?

I don't know who they'll pick obviously but I'm not going to start whining if they pick an edge that's lower on some media members top 100 than another guy.

Manny Sistrunk.

4 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

For some reason, I just can't get into this years draft like I have in the past. Maybe it is because we are coming off a Superbowl or that we are picking at the bottom. Or, that I have complete faith in Howie with the input of Fangio and Stoutland at the most important positions on the team.

Tough to know who to focus on a couple of players with how Howie moves around the draft. There doesn't seem to be a lot of players who really distinguish themselves.

All of those factors. It is hard to overvalue and/or overestimate the value of Stoutland and Fangio … on four levels (1) they know exactly what their scheme is, and for the most part why it succeeds, (2) they have shown over time that they are both really good evaluators of talent, (3) their squads show improvement as the season progresses because they are both good teachers/communicators, and (4) neither are going anywhere so Howie is able to bank on that stability. All of that causes us to have a tendency to a peacefulness about the Draft that can be confused with disinterest.

They took Jalyx Hunt earlier than most predraft consensus rankings (he was my go to 5th round pick in mocks last year ha). Similar "raw but with huge upside" pick. Now there's a huge difference between doing that in the 3rd and doing it in the 1st but still it shows willingness to bet on tools at the position.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

They took Jalyx Hunt earlier than most predraft consensus rankings (he was my go to 5th round pick in mocks last year ha). Similar "raw but with huge upside" pick. Now there's a huge difference between doing that in the 3rd and doing it in the 1st but still it shows willingness to bet on tools at the position.

Daniel Jeremiah had Hunt rated 64th overall in his day before the draft Top 150 rankings. Based on that alone, I was pretty cool with getting him late in the third.

1 minute ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Daniel Jeremiah had Hunt rated 64th overall in his day before the draft Top 150 rankings. Based on that alone, I was pretty cool with getting him late in the third.

I wonder where Oladejo ends up. Definitely one of the biggest risers on public boards from Superbowl to draft day I would assume.

4 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I wonder where Oladejo ends up. Definitely one of the biggest risers on public boards from Superbowl to draft day I would assume.

It's hilarious that DJ has all year to rate these guys and it's his main focus yet he changes his rankings so much after they stop playing

46 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Comparing draft value of Oladejo to a guy like Donovan E is interesting.

Read the scouting reports for Oladejo, they say "developmental guy with big upside who could contribute sooner than expected.” For Donovan E, "he might not ever be good against the run.” Which is the higher ranked guy again?

I think this is the big question with the entire draft class.

There are lots of good, but not great, prospects who are very scheme specific and have limitations on what they can do. Then there is a pool of guys like Oledajo and Stewart who have no physical limitations but are going to require a lot of development

If you’re confident the player has the right mentality to succeed and you’re confident that your coaches can teach your players, then the development route makes the most sense in my view. And generally, that seems to be what the eagles have done recently: target hyper athletes with the right mindset and then put the burden on our coaches to get the best out of them.

When this works, it’s spectacular and gives you a massive edge vs other teams in the draft. But if you pick guys with the wrong mental makeup and your coaches aren’t very good, it’s a quick way to the bottom of the league.

Getting a feeling that the first rounder is going to be an off the radar name in recent days. Not that it means that player would suck, but what I've loved about recent Eagles drafts that they've nailed is they've cut out the "We're smarter than you" picks and just take the best guys from the best schools. At least in the first round. It's worked.

2 hours ago, wussbasket said:

everything is so... big

Someone is putting that in the mom thread

Antone Davis.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

They took Jalyx Hunt earlier than most predraft consensus rankings (he was my go to 5th round pick in mocks last year ha). Similar "raw but with huge upside" pick. Now there's a huge difference between doing that in the 3rd and doing it in the 1st but still it shows willingness to bet on tools at the position.

Normally, raw prospects with physical upside go in the 3rd - that's your boom/bust territory. I expect that Femi Oladejo will get selected earlier than Jalyx did given that he's a Division 1 player and shifting from LB (rather than S), but not 2 rounds earlier...

58 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think this is the big question with the entire draft class.

There are lots of good, but not great, prospects who are very scheme specific and have limitations on what they can do. Then there is a pool of guys like Oledajo and Stewart who have no physical limitations but are going to require a lot of development

If you’re confident the player has the right mentality to succeed and you’re confident that your coaches can teach your players, then the development route makes the most sense in my view. And generally, that seems to be what the eagles have done recently: target hyper athletes with the right mindset and then put the burden on our coaches to get the best out of them.

When this works, it’s spectacular and gives you a massive edge vs other teams in the draft. But if you pick guys with the wrong mental makeup and your coaches aren’t very good, it’s a quick way to the bottom of the league.

Fangio has put a lot of my concerns to bed about this kinda stuff, for reasons you outlined. Wouldn’t see picking Oladejo as a Marcus Smith situation at all.

On the offensive side? Other than OL, much more comfortable close to "consensus.”