1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Something to consider when it comes to what kind of investment we need to make at edge. If Fangio sees Hunt as an every down player (and he prefers to play his starters every down), do we need to invest in a first-round edge? Howie would for sure, but barring injury, we might not get a great ROI with Hunt and Smith under team control for three more years. 

I think we need to consider the type/style as well as position. Brandon Graham, for instance, has a totally different skill set than those guys.

Do we want a bigger, more powerful guy? We’re losing Sweat and Graham. We probably want someone with more size if for no other reason than situational/match up issues.

 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

 

GM on two Super Bowl winning teams, I would agree; Howie will end up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a builder.

22 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agreed — I don’t want him. There are lots of big DEs this year and he’s one that interests me the least.

If we want that type of build at DE in the first round then Howie should just trade up for Shemar Stewart. He’s a guy with actual potential.

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.  For all the athletic talent, where's the production??? No thanks.  If he cant do it at the collegiate level, how is he going to do it in the NFL?  At least, Mike Mamula did something in college 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

GM on two Super Bowl winning teams, I would agree; Howie will end up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a builder.

The run he’s been on for the last few years has been historic. It was a lot of hit or miss before that. 2017 was the only 11+ game winning season for most of his early tenure until he just started crushing it every year for the last 5 and cementing his HOF legacy

7 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.  For all the athletic talent, where's the production??? No thanks.  If he cant do it at the collegiate level, how is he going to do it in the NFL?  At least, Mike Mamula did something in college 

 

I share your concerns with Stewart, but to be fair none of the 3 Texas A&M prospects put up big numbers.

Maybe it's like the Georgia Defense that limits sack production from the front 4.

1 minute ago, D-Shiznit said:

I share your concerns with Stewart, but to be fair none of the 3  Texas A&M prospects put up big numbers.

Maybe it's like the Georgia Defense that limits sack production from the front 4.

He played on a line with talented players and those are numbers he put up.  Legit question?  Is Scourton the better player? I'll admit I haven't delved deep into the draft this year due to the extended season 

57 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I can see DT, but CB?  How do you get a net ROI gain at CB over the assets and return we have now?

We need a starting outside corner assuming Slay is gone. 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Why no?

Why would you be okay with that kind of talent going to a rival?

Just now, ManuManu said:

We need a starting outside corner assuming Slay is gone. 

Yep we have guys at DT and DE but if we don’t have Slay or Rodgers then the whole D is exposed. Thats a weak spot that’s hard to hide

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

We need a starting outside corner assuming Slay is gone. 

Maybe so, but I don't see any way at this point that the Eagles don't go OL/DL...its in their DNA.

If Howie brings him in then I expect an apology from everyone

And it better be from the heart!

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.  For all the athletic talent, where's the production??? No thanks.  If he cant do it at the collegiate level, how is he going to do it in the NFL.  At least, Mike Mamula did something in college 

 

Watch him play — he’s already a very good run defender. He’s super raw and will require a lot of coaching, which is why we might have a chance at him.

On top of that he dominated the senior bowl. Showed growth as a pass rusher, but still needs a go-to and counter move to build his arsenal.

If he had high end production he’d be the #1 prospect in this draft class.

We are picking at #32, so you can’t have it all. Obviously do your homework but if he’s coachable I’d be all over drafting him.

I’d bet the plan is to try to sign Rodgers to something cheap and go with him as the starter and Ringo as #3.

Draft will be set to be BPA and Rodgers a shorter term deal so that anything could be in play. 

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

 

Mediocre take. He's forgetting that the other half is developing the players, which falls directly into what Sirianni does for the Eagles. But considering who that is, it's not surprising he's only focused on the draft side of things.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d bet the plan is to try to sign Rodgers to something cheap and go with him as the starter and Ringo as #3.

I wonder what Rodgers will get. He’s a legit starter

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Mediocre take. He's forgetting that the other half is developing the players, which falls directly into what Sirianni does for the Eagles. But considering who that is, it's not surprising he's only focused on the draft side of things.

And who brought in the coaches?

He’s won a Super Bowl with 2 completely different coaching staffs and almost completely different rosters, with the exception of Graham and Lane Johnson. And he did this in the salary cap era.

Howie is the best GM of his generation. Full stop. 

8 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

He played on a line with talented players and those are numbers he put up.  Legit question?  Is Scourton the better player? I'll admit I haven't delved deep into the draft this year due to the extended season 

Actually after watching the highlight videos (I know, I know they are highlights) but Scourton has a wider array of pass rush moves, better closing speed and great instincts.  Would rather have him 

8 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Yep we have guys at DT and DE but if we don’t have Slay or Rodgers then the whole D is exposed. Thats a weak spot that’s hard to hide

A lot depends on what they think of Ringo. That guy has all the talent in the world and is still just 22 years old.

11 minutes ago, TEW said:

And who brought in the coaches?

He’s won a Super Bowl with 2 completely different coaching staffs and almost completely different rosters, with the exception of Graham and Lane Johnson. And he did this in the salary cap era.

Howie is the best GM of his generation. Full stop. 

It's a mediocre take because it focuses too much on the draft side of things. I'm not undermining how great Howie has been recently. The thing about Howie is that his GM skills were good for a long time, but his drafting skills were poor. That changed when one of the sneaky top picks in the history of the Eagles, Jalen Reagor, happened. It's sneakily one of the best picks because, and I've said this a few times online and to people locally, missing on Jefferson hurt Howie enough to change the entire way he approaches drafting.

So, Howie learned how to draft and completed his skillset.

But the thing is, the Eagles have not been a developing strong organization AT ALL during the 2000's before Sirianni. Picking players is only half, you have to also develop the players - you see talented players fall flat on their face all the time. We even got Becton for that same reason.

So I'm saying the take is mediocre because it only focuses on the acquisition without understanding the development half, which is yet another way to avoid giving any credit to Sirianni, because the entire media was cold on him.

Howie is a great GM now that he can actually draft, and one of Sirianni's best aspect is that unlike most of the other coaches the Eagles have had in the 2000's, they can actually cook the groceries Howie gets. It's the combination of the two that led us to 2 SB appearances in 3 years.

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

A lot depends on what they think of Ringo. That guy has all the talent in the world and is still just 22 years old.

They played Rodgers over him every time fwiw

Some rumblings that James Pearce has character issues and several teams have taken him off their boards and that's why he's being mocked low. Hope he falls right into Howie's lap.

 

 

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We need a starting outside corner assuming Slay is gone. 

Ringo? Rodgers? If you draft a starting outside CB you at getting negative ROI from Ringo.  So the net ROI is less than the drafted player ROI.

FWIW, I personally don’t believe Slay will be gone.

Ironically I just simulated a mock where I added a CB, Trey Amos.

 

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Some rumblings that James Pearce has character issues and several teams have taken him off their boards and that's why he's being mocked low. Hope he falls right into Howie's lap.

I see Howie is fully back in off-season mode. 

The James Pearce Jr. Psi-Op has begun!