57 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Howie has made a lot…a lot of mistakes. He’s human…same with the rest of the FO. We will never know, but it looks like he got too cute. It will more than likely work out because he’s going to add a priority UDFA at the end of the draft and we have another full day to go.

For us mere peasants it’s safe to assume that it’s 50/50 he either took a good trade to move back in hopes that he could add more with that pick, or he tried to play the board and move back assuming his pick was there and it wasn’t.

This is a narrative you’re spinning in your head and projecting onto the situation. Absolutely nothing indicates this is true, or even likely to be true.

In fact, all the evidence points to this being false. We have reports that the Eagles were trying to trade UP. That indicates there were players available in the third round they liked, but they feared those players would be gone by the time they were on the clock.

The fact that they then traded down from 96 indicates once they were on the clock that there was no one left that they liked at that spot. On top of this, all of Howie’s recent history indicates that he does NOT get cute. The story of missing out on Russel Wilson and the lessons they learned from that are well documented.

The opposite is true, actually: when the Eagles like a player, such as Campbell and Carter, and there are not enough similarly graded players that it guarantees that waiting will get them one of these players, they trade up. Yet Grant was there at 96. So clearly they did not value him at 96, because they traded back. This is their basic draft philosophy, so your argument hinges on Howie abandoning this strategy for one particular player. It makes no sense, especially because it was reported they had a trade down offer at 64 and turned it down specifically because they didn’t want to risk losing Mukuba.

The much simpler, obvious explanation that fits with every report and matches everything they do is that they just didn’t like Grant enough to take him or anyone else at 96.

23 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

That's not exactly the normal procedure. Getting the specific name, I mean. I know for a fact that legendary Giants GM George Young refused to even ASK the other team who they were going to pick. He thought it wasn't his business to know, that he would only make a trade based on the value of the picks involved rather than the player who might be picked.

It is my understanding that the current practice is to ask "offense or defense". That's what teams seem to do nowadays. I'm sure that's what the Chiefs asked us last night when we wanted to move up to 31. Since we would have said "defense", the Chiefs were fine since they knew they wanted an offensive lineman.

The Chiefs GM said in his press conference that he asked "offense or defense.” But that was particularly important in that situation since it was a one slot move, so 50/50 chance they could guarantee they get their guy with a free pick.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Howie has made a lot…a lot of mistakes. He’s human…same with the rest of the FO. We will never know, but it looks like he got too cute. It will more than likely work out because he’s going to add a priority UDFA at the end of the draft and we have another full day to go.

For us mere peasants it’s safe to assume that it’s 50/50 he either took a good trade to move back in hopes that he could add more with that pick, or he tried to play the board and move back assuming his pick was there and it wasn’t.

For sure. He isn't perfect, but I'm good with him making a mistake trusting his gut. The picks he got could turn into vets via trades or be the difference next year trading up for a stud. We'll see what happens.

All the commercials put me to sleep. What happened?

Look, I know you all hate him, and for good reason. But to be honest at this point I'd be down to invest one of our six day 3 picks to draft Sanders as a backup qb. 😄

5 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

Hopefully we can keep Goedert. Still would like some of these guys

Swinson

David Walker

Jalen Travis

Ty Robinson
Jack Sawyer

Josh Farmer

Zah Frazier

Ingram Dawkins

Helm

Dotson

Jalen Royals

Thomas Fidone Jr.

Kyle Kinnard

Ollie Gordon II

Add Cobee Bryant to your list

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Funniest timeline would be Sanders goes back to college but has to choose a new number because his was retired

But other than that, he's the best available on Mel's board.

This may have been posted, so apologies if it was, but this is just wrong:

2 minutes ago, paco said:

This may have been posted, so apologies if it was, but this is just wrong:

same thing happened to Cooper DeJean last year.

9 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

If the Steelers pass on Shedeur again at #83 you might hear me laughing from far, far away

So that is what that racket was this morning. LOL

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I love how this draft has massacred the "professional” prognosticators and draft sites player rankings.

Its my thing every year. Seeing a top 20 projection from the TV get drafted on day 3.

5 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

Like I said ....I preferred other players at that pick. I would have went with DE or CB. Gillotte or Porter. Oh well. I will get over it. Thanks.

Gillotte was picked with the 2nd pick in round 3. Porter got picked with the 4th pick.

I can't figure how you think Howie would have ended up with those players if he didn't trade down from the 32nd pick.

As for Sanders. Professional companies won't tolerate self entitled employees that are average.

I don't love the trade down, but I get it. No point in wasting draft pick on a player that you don't really like. Its ironic that this time last year, Howie was trading for picks this year as last years depth was poor.

Got to say, 'JG' has really improved his defense drafting Walter Nolan, Will Johnson and Jordan Burch. Not bad.

Howie has been too cute in the past and has done some really dumb stuff, especially on draft day in the past. This specifically includes trading down for pennies and losing out on the guy he wanted.

This is one of the perks of having a GM who has done it all, been through it all, and had a chance to learn from it.

Does anyone seriously think he wasn’t well aware that that Grant might get picked? If he liked Grant that much, he’d have drafted him.

He traded down because he didn’t like the board. That in and of itself is disappointing….we didn’t really get much upside, excitement, or help on day 2. That’s the board, not Howie. But I’d dwell on that, not him getting too cute.

LOL

7 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

Tools are all there. Led UT to the CFB playoffs 2 years in a row…I wouldn’t take him personally but if you remove the human out of him and look at the straight QB prospect you can work with that talent. He was a top recruit, prize of the class…and look where he is because of his ego.

1) I got a bigger kick out of that than I should have

2) For the debate "should the eagles take him with a late pick", that is exactly why it will never happen, even if he is sitting there at #191.

1 hour ago, Infam said:

Look, I know you all hate him, and for good reason. But to be honest at this point I'd be down to invest one of our six day 3 picks to draft Sanders as a backup qb. 😄

Why? Is he better than McKee? What about DTR?

I'd rather not invite a circus for a 3rd or 4th string QB. He just isn't that good. He hasn't played anyone good in college and been successful.

One final thought on Shedeur Sanders and it can relate to Jalen Hurts. So many of the arguments around Jalen Hurts are that he doesn't put up gaudy numbers for an NFL QB, especially with his weapons but the bottom line is he's a winner. All Jalen Hurts does is win.

Jalen Hurts in college was 39-4. With the Eagles he's 46-20. That's an absurd 85-24 record as a college and NFL QB...oh and he won a SB and SB MVP. HE WINS GAMES.

Shedeur Sanders combined college record is 36-14, but his record at Colorado was 13-12. Credit where credit is due, they did improve from 4-8 to 9-4, but the fact of the matter is, in the Big-12, against big boy competition, Shedeur Sanders was 13-12 and he did it with an attitude that no one wants to deal with.

Quinn Ewers was 27-4

Jalen Milroe was 21-6

Dillon Gabriel was 46-17

Jaxson Dart was 28-10

Riley Leonard was 27-10

Understanding that it's a team game and win-loss isn't a direct result of the QB, it does fall on their shoulders more than others. Give me winners with a great attitude over a .500 entitled QB.

31 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Not going to lie, but every time Deon talks my head goes to golden corral

Since no one really broke it down like this, here is the sum total of the trades:

Eagles give up:

3.96

4.134

(155 points on the draft chart)

Eagles get:

4.111

4.130

6.191

2026 5th

(128.6 excluding the 2026 5th). The middle of the 5th round about covers that difference, although dock it something since it’s next year.

Howie basically carved up the value of that 96th pick because he didn’t like the board there. Probably would have drafted a backup with that pick and will probably draft multiple backups with the trade. No big deal either way.