8 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

LOL

Yeah, sure, THIS year a black QB was taken 1st overall. But when was the LAST time that happened, huh?????

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie has been too cute in the past and has done some really dome stuff, especially on draft day in the past. This specifically includes trading down for pennies and losing out on the guy he wanted.

This is one of the perks of having a GM who has done it all, been through it all, and had a chance to learn from it.

Does anyone seriously think he wasn’t well aware that that Grant might get picked? If he liked Grant that much, he’d have drafted him.

He traded down because he didn’t like the board. That in and of itself is disappointing….we didn’t really get much upside, excitement, or help on day 2. That’s the board, not Howie. But I’d dwell on that, not him getting too cute.

This is why I was hoping they would target their guys and move up to get them. Be aggressive. How many late round 2026 picks do we need? I would have rather traded a 2026 5th to move up in the 2nd or 3rd than move back for an extra 2026 5th. Granted, you need a trade partner, and it needs to be a reasonable deal, but that's what I was hoping they would do. But I'd rather walk away with 4 players they really wanted, instead of settling for what's available and getting more 5th round picks.

This draft is giving me a Donnell Pumphry feeling. There are still some talent left at DT/EDGE, but the true impact and depth of the positions are gone, at least at those positions. There isn't much OL depth left either. As of now, RB and LB are looking the strongest at the top of the remaining talent.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why? Is he better than McKee? What about DTR?

I'd rather not invite a circus for a 3rd or 4th string QB. He just isn't that good. He hasn't played anyone good in college and been successful.

His problem has shifted from "do you want to invest in him as your franchise QB” to "do you want to invite a circus to your team for a mid/late round pick who is going to be 3rd or 4th string?”

Eventually, the answer will be yes, for someone, once we get into the "F it” draft pick range. And the Eagles are as likely to be that team as anyone…

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is why I was hoping they would target their guys and move up to get them. Be aggressive. How many late round 2026 picks do we need? I would have rather traded a 2026 5th to move up in the 2nd or 3rd than move back for an extra 2026 5th. Granted, you need a trade partner, and it needs to be a reasonable deal, but that's what I was hoping they would do. But I'd rather walk away with 4 players they really wanted, instead of settling for what's available and getting more 5th round picks.

This draft is giving me a Donnell Pumphry feeling. There are still some talent left at DT/EDGE, but the true impact and depth of the positions are gone, at least at those positions. There isn't much OL depth left either. As of now, RB and LB are looking the strongest at the top of the remaining talent.

100%…. Pretty underwhelming draft so far, especially given all the solid depth they lost in free agency. I was hoping Howie would be more aggressive, trade up and target the guys they liked.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

His problem has shifted from "do you want to invest in him as your franchise QB” to "do you want to invite a circus to your team for a mid/late round pick who is going to be 3rd or 4th string?”

Eventually, the answer will be yes, for someone, once we get into the "F it” draft pick range. And the Eagles are as likely to be that team as anyone…

Honestly, that's probably even worse for him. A team is going to take a chance on him to be the guy. Nobody is going to want to put up with the circus for a backup player.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is why I was hoping they would target their guys and move up to get them. Be aggressive. How many late round 2026 picks do we need? I would have rather traded a 2026 5th to move up in the 2nd or 3rd than move back for an extra 2026 5th. Granted, you need a trade partner, and it needs to be a reasonable deal, but that's what I was hoping they would do. But I'd rather walk away with 4 players they really wanted, instead of settling for what's available and getting more 5th round picks.

This draft is giving me a Donnell Pumphry feeling. There are still some talent left at DT/EDGE, but the true impact and depth of the positions are gone, at least at those positions. There isn't much OL depth left either. As of now, RB and LB are looking the strongest at the top of the remaining talent.

I think it’s just a tough draft. Ignoring the outcome of the picks, think about the sheer raw explosive ability we got in the mid rounds in Sweat and Milton Williams. Or the resume of Nakobe Dean.

Kelee Ringo and Sydney Brown as plus plus athletes in the secondary, regardless of whether they help this year.

Didn’t end up being good players, but Kvon Wallace, Jack Driscoll, John Hightower, Shaun Bradley. Majorly explosive players who had done some good things in college.

Cam Jurgens was a bit earlier in round 2, but an elite center prospect and everyone knew it.

There was no talent like that on the board for us after day 1 in this draft.

I think we’ll look back on the 2025 draft remarking that the Eagles got only one great player and will end up saying they got nothing but transient backups with the other picks (sorry Mukuba). But when looking at the other options, we won’t see much either.

So I’d unload as much as possible for 2026 picks.

Everyone on socials posting Shedeur highlights asking how this guy isn't drafted yet is making Jimmy Horn Jr. and Will Sheppard look better. They turn short passes in to huge gains.

Darien Porter was an interesting CB upside pick because of his athleticism. His is 24 years old.

Kelee Ringo is 22. Where does he get drafted this year if he had 2 more years at UGA and blew up the combine?

I just learned that Dieon has been Shedeurs coach throughout his entire career. Middle school, high school, college. He hasn’t played for anybody else.

At this point, Sanders is in the value range. Day 3 is usually longer term investments. I'm not a huge fan but he's further along than Hurts was coming out of college. Don't get that twisted, Hurts turned himself into a beast since then.

He's got amazing vision even while under duress. Accuracy is above average to borderline exceptional. He needs to learn to throw it away and lacks raw arm strength to go deep (40+) without setting his base.

He really was under duress a lot last year and still managed to elevate that team.

Worst case, bring him in, showcase his talent and flip him for a 2nd. Best case, you have talented backup who can move the offense if Hurts misses a game or two.

Lost in all the draft talk, we can't just glaze over the fact that the NFL is bringing City Connect uniforms in to the fold. I HATE this so much. I don't want an Eagles uniform that local artists create with some cringe worthy storybook attached to it. Nothing good is going to come from this.

There are 16 games with 8 home games. The NFL rules now state a team can have 3 helmets and can wear alternate helmets for an extra game now. Maybe that was in preparation for the CC program, who knows. But, let's not give he NFL that much credit. As of now, the rules could lead to the following.

Midnight Green- 3 games

Kelly Green- 3 games

BFBS- 1 game

City Connect- 1 game

4 completely different uniforms could be worn. Not just 4 different combinations, but 4 different uniforms. Team identities continue to go by the wayside for fan jersey sales.

Just now, Vileborg said:

At this point, Sanders is in the value range. Day 3 is usually longer term investments. I'm not a huge fan but he's further along than Hurts was coming out of college. Don't get that twisted, Hurts turned himself into a beast since then.

He's got amazing vision even while under duress. Accuracy is above average to borderline exceptional. He needs to learn to throw it away and lacks raw arm strength to go deep (40+) without setting his base.

He really was under duress a lot last year and still managed to elevate that team.

Worst case, bring him in, showcase his talent and flip him for a 2nd. Best case, you have talented backup who can move the offense if Hurts misses a game or two.

Value is a tough proposition at QB when you aren’t looking for a starter.

So what if he’s got a way better resume than most 6th round picks who get drafted to be see what happens backups?

Once he enters "see what happens backup” territory, why should a team draft him and his circus in the 4th round when they could get a quiet under the radar backup 6-7-UDFA?

Someone will probably do it, but that will be the reason some teams don’t.

56 minutes ago, paco said:

Oddly enough, any saints fan old enough to remember the last arch(ie) manning they had might have some ptsd considering he was one of the worst qbs in history 🤣

25 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is why I was hoping they would target their guys and move up to get them. Be aggressive. How many late round 2026 picks do we need? I would have rather traded a 2026 5th to move up in the 2nd or 3rd than move back for an extra 2026 5th. Granted, you need a trade partner, and it needs to be a reasonable deal, but that's what I was hoping they would do. But I'd rather walk away with 4 players they really wanted, instead of settling for what's available and getting more 5th round picks.

This draft is giving me a Donnell Pumphry feeling. There are still some talent left at DT/EDGE, but the true impact and depth of the positions are gone, at least at those positions. There isn't much OL depth left either. As of now, RB and LB are looking the strongest at the top of the remaining talent.

He said they wanted to move but the guys they wanted went too high. I think TJ Sanders was high on their list but you're not giving up a 2026 2nd to get him. Besides Howie also said teams going high want immediate impact so the 2026 picks were discounted by them. Obviously they liked Mukuba a lot at safety because they had their pick there outside the top 2.

Ultimately the board didn't fall great for them this year after rd 1 and I don't guys they liked were in reasonable cost move ups. It is what it is. I'm excited about Campbell and Mukuba was a guy I liked

5 hours ago, TEW said:

This is a narrative you’re spinning in your head and projecting onto the situation. Absolutely nothing indicates this is true, or even likely to be true.

In fact, all the evidence points to this being false. We have reports that the Eagles were trying to trade UP. That indicates there were players available in the third round they liked, but they feared those players would be gone by the time they were on the clock.

The fact that they then traded down from 96 indicates once they were on the clock that there was no one left that they liked at that spot. On top of this, all of Howie’s recent history indicates that he does NOT get cute. The story of missing out on Russel Wilson and the lessons they learned from that are well documented.

The opposite is true, actually: when the Eagles like a player, such as Campbell and Carter, and there are not enough similarly graded players that it guarantees that waiting will get them one of these players, they trade up. Yet Grant was there at 96. So clearly they did not value him at 96, because they traded back. This is their basic draft philosophy, so your argument hinges on Howie abandoning this strategy for one particular player. It makes no sense, especially because it was reported they had a trade down offer at 64 and turned it down specifically because they didn’t want to risk losing Mukuba.

The much simpler, obvious explanation that fits with every report and matches everything they do is that they just didn’t like Grant enough to take him or anyone else at 96.

This narrative you’re spinning in your head that a human is perfect and infallible is a bit over the top…again, it’s ridiculous to say with 100% certainty that a mistake wasn’t made.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Oddly enough, any saints fan old enough to remember the last arch(ie) manning they had might have some ptsd considering he was one of the worst qbs in history 🤣

I thought he played better than Ewers when Ewers missed a few games but I didn't watch a ton of cfb this year.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

This is how to NOT ingratiate yourself to your potential new employer. They are sending a very clear message, and it isn't being received.

At the rate things are going, he's likely to end up in the CFL.

8 hours ago, TEW said:

Stewart. Noel Williams, Porter. and Revel would all make sense.

Forget this Sanders non-conspiracy… the other GMs aren’t allowing Howie any big trade-ups. Collusion!

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is how to NOT ingratiate yourself to your potential new employer. They are sending a very clear message, and it isn't being received.

At the rate things are going, he's likely to end up in the CFL.

The UFL might really appreciate Sanders(s).

What do we think the positions they fill today are?

51 minutes ago, paco said:

Yeah, sure, THIS year a black QB was taken 1st overall. But when was the LAST time that happened, huh?????

I know this is sarcasm, but it still needs to be answered. Just looking at the #1 overall pick...

2024 - Caleb Williams
2023 - Bryce Young
2019 - Kyler Murray
2015 - Jameis Winston
2011 - Cam Newton
2007 - JaMarcus Russell
2001 - Michael Vick

This isn't including top 5 QBs... it started with Steve McNair at #3 in 1995, and has just happened more and more frequently since then. The narrative about race and QBs really needs to go away. For 30 years, black QBs have been getting picked in the top 5 overall. The issue now with QBs isn't race, its coaching. College coaches aren't developing 'pro style' QBs the same way that they used to and so now the NFL is moving towards more and more 'college style' offenses as a result. It is what it is, but what it isn't... is race.

And in Philadelphia its really been 40 years, starting in 1985 with the 2nd round selection of Randall Cunningham that black QBs have been in vogue. 4 of them have gotten huge deals with the team - Cunningham, McNabb, Vick and Hurts... meanwhile, on the flip side, only Wentz got a huge deal during that time. The race debate should be dead and buried, ESPECIALLY in this city and with this fanbase. Its not, of course, and we see it brought up constantly, but it should be dead.

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The UFL might really appreciate Sanders(s).

That would be the best possible outcome for the UFL. It would 100% drive fans to watch and go to games.

Other than Grey Zabel - it feels like the small school guys got snubbed… or perhaps it’s at least a complicating factor along with age, medicals and character. We appreciate that the SEC guys have to deal with internal competition, perhaps the NFL is bit leery of prospects that choose to stay at a lower level given flexibility and incentives provided in the portal/NIL era.

The lower level of competition was always a knock, but it seems a bit more pronounced this year.

29 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

At this point, Sanders is in the value range. Day 3 is usually longer term investments. I'm not a huge fan but he's further along than Hurts was coming out of college. Don't get that twisted, Hurts turned himself into a beast since then.

Totally disagree with this.

Setting aside that Hurts is an A with intangibles and Sanders is about a D/F, Hurts played 4 years at big time schools in huge games. Hurts also played within the confines of a structured program and offense and Sanders looks like a guy who doesn't even read the field at all, just plays sandlot ball which will absolutely not translate to the NFL