27 minutes ago, devpool said:

Missed opportunity to call them Saabmarines

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Wonder how Bo Wulf is handling Barkley hanging out with Trump today. Probably in some corner hyperventilating.

Take that stuff to CVON please

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He get fired?

Yep

6 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Take that stuff to CVON please

White House visit tomorrow, get prepared for it to be discussed here.

What my gut is telling me about this draft.

Overall: Felt a little 2020ish to me after the Campbell pick. I think I'd have preferred to move up in the 2nd using the ammo they were willing to trade to the Chargers for pick 22. But the slate of teams picking in the late 40s/early 50s was a bit unlucky - once Arroyo and Oladejo were off the board, we were in no man's land. I'd be surprised if we get more than 2 above replacement-level starters out of this draft.

Favorite picks: Campbell, Robinson, Mondon, Kendall, McCord

Least favorite: Mac McWilliams

IDK but ehhh: Andrew Mukuba

Jihaad Campbell: Best case, he has a DeJean-like trajectory. Starts off slow, but later Fangio finds a gamechanging role for him, maybe as Van Ginkel on steroids or a better version of 2020 Devin White. We're so lucky to have Fangio working with this kind of talent. High upside, high floor, ideal pick at 31.

Andrew Mukuba: An obvious attempt to replace CJGJ. Risky pick. Love the football IQ, burst, physicality, ball production at Texas. Other safeties have succeeded at his size, but he has stiffness concerns as well (poor agility numbers). Worried when isolated on a WR he could be too small for big WRs, too stiff for shifter WRs. Faceplant potential, decent chance S is a big concern this year.

Ty Robinson: 6'5, 288+, good wingspan despite shorter arms, monster chest and legs, impressive burst. Pass rush and run game production. Body type suggests he could add or even cut weight to better fit a role. Guy just looks like a runaway train out there. Zack Allen ceiling, more likely an impactful, efficient rotational guy. Wasn't thought of highly due to the age of breakout, I guess (one season of good sack production was year 6). Older than you'd like.

Mac McWilliams: My least favorite pick. Reasonable success scenario, he'd be a nickel/S hybrid who can backup both spots, add value on STs and in the rare times they play dime.

On a side note, I don't like the "oh it's day 3 so even if they just play STs they're a success" types. How much of a success were Zech McPhearson and Shaun Bradley? Vet minimum JAGs.

Smael Mondon: Could wind up being the 2nd or 3rd best guy from this draft. Great short area athleticism, good coverage skills, coming from a serious college program. Plenty of room to grow. Great 5th round pick with upside. Worth mentioning, if Campbell isn't ready week 1, Mondon's only obstacle to a week 1 start is Trotter.

Drew Kendall: Good size for a center prospect, might actually have G versatility unlike Dillon McMahon. Good value : need ratio. Need a real backup iOL with upside.

Kyle McCord: Actual upside at QB in the 6th. We've seen with McKee how valuable that can be. Great pick.

Miles Hinton/Cameron Williams: Total Stoutland U dart throws. Yes, I buy the narrative they missed out on "their guys" earlier in the draft. Fine for where they were picked.

Antwaun Powell-Ryland: Pass rush clips I've seen were impressive. Doesn't seem he'll get there as a run defender or dropper, but who knows. Not sure Fangio likes the DPR types. Dart throw, probable PS guy.

18 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Smael Mondon: Could wind up being the 2nd or 3rd best guy from this draft. Great short area athleticism, good coverage skills, coming from a serious college program. Plenty of room to grow. Great 5th round pick with upside. Worth mentioning, if Campbell isn't ready week 1, Mondon's only obstacle to a week 1 start is Trotter.

He's who they took with the pick they got from the Texans for CJGJ. Even if Kenyon Green flops, the success of Mondon will determine how good that trade was. If Mukuba pans out and Mondon becomes a better Oren Burks, we all might forget about CJGJ.

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's who they took with the pick they got from the Texans for CJGJ. Even if Kenyon Green flops, the success of Mondon will determine how good that trade was. If Mukuba pans out and Mondon becomes a better Oren Burks, we all might forget about CJGJ.

I still hold that the trade was about the pick, and not Green.

Romano with a 1, 2, 3 inning to win it in 10 for the Phils, and they finally win a series.

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

"So, while the pain of watching other teams pick my favorite players was both acute and immediate, patiently waiting for the whole Draft to play out eliminated that pain."

I am sure that someday soon my pain of watching my favorite players being picked by other teams, especially in the second round!!!, will diminish.

I sincerely hope that Howie theory of lets throw as many darts at the board wall and see if they will stick works.

However the chances of 4-6 rounders becoming starters is 16 percent. And 7th rounders on is less than 9 percent.

We will see if Eagles can overcome statistical averages, and succeed due to superior trainers developing players especially at offensive line. I hope they do.

I believe your numbers are correct, but on rounds 4-7 NFL teams are not looking for starters, but rather role players.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I still hold that the trade was about the pick, and not Green.

They had decided they weren’t re-signing him and didn’t want to play out the year for debatable reasons.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I believe your numbers are correct, but on rounds 4-7 NFL teams are not looking for starters, but rather role players.

That’s not what Howie said. He said they are looking for guys who could be grow into starters essentially going for upside

For some reason whenever I typed under the above tweet it would delete the tweet. Anyway, Joe Goodberry is a pretty good Twitter draft analyst and does these breakdowns each year for every draft class. He seems to have a nice track record. He loves the APR pick.

11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That’s not what Howie said. He said they are looking for guys who could be grow into starters essentially going for upside

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The players that don’t grow into starters still can have very productive backup roles.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The players that don’t grow into starters still can have very productive backup roles.

Fair but they are often swings for the fences so might not lead to singles so much as either strike outs or home runs

26 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

That’s not what Howie said. He said they are looking for guys who could be grow into starters essentially going for upside

I can say i want 9-pack abs…that doesnt make it reality

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

For some reason whenever I typed under the above tweet it would delete the tweet. Anyway, Joe Goodberry is a pretty good Twitter draft analyst and does these breakdowns each year for every draft class. He seems to have a nice track record. He loves the APR pick.

I get that’s it’s all about this draft but I have a hard time crediting Atlanta without taking the dumb trade into account.

That would be like the Eagles trading next years 1 to move to the top of round 2 and congratulating them on the player picked

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Fair but they are often swings for the fences so might not lead to singles so much as either strike outs or home runs

Your metaphor is a bit tortured. At QB the alternative to hitting a home run is warming the bench or holding a clipboard. Singles are rarely required. At RB singles aren’t enough … more like doubles and even triples like the LII team had. At DT and Edge because of the consistency of player rotation again singles are not enough, but the concept of starters is a more tenuous one. I don’t think they ever expect MacMac to be a starter, because he doesn’t play a starting position. I could go on, but I’m sure you get the point.

59 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Romano with a 1, 2, 3 inning to win it in 10 for the Phils, and they finally win a series.

Hopefully that isn’t a Blind Squirrel moment.

4 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

One thing that I'm sure will happen is that people will complain when the Eagles cut a few of their picks and say they should have traded up (or not back). But the point of 10 picks is that you get to see all 10 and figure out which 7 or 8 perform

Especially at OT where they ahve taken 3 swings (inluding UDFA). The likely chances are 1 guy makes the team, 1 guy is on PS, and 1 is cut

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Mac McWilliams: My least favorite pick. Reasonable success scenario, he'd be a nickel/S hybrid who can backup both spots, add value on STs and in the rare times they play dime.

On a side note, I don't like the "oh it's day 3 so even if they just play STs they're a success" types. How much of a success were Zech McPhearson and Shaun Bradley? Vet minimum JAGs.

I’m curious, what is it that you are looking for from DeJean’s backup in the Slot? And how is Kendall’s role/value (which you like) different from McWilliams’ role/value?

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

White House visit tomorrow, get prepared for it to be discussed here.

Why?

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Your metaphor is a bit tortured. At QB the alternative to hitting a home run is warming the bench or holding a clipboard. Singles are rarely required. At RB singles aren’t enough … more like doubles and even triples like the LII team had. At DT and Edge because of the consistency of player rotation again singles are not enough, but the concept of starters is a more tenuous one. I don’t think they ever expect MacMac to be a starter, because he doesn’t play a starting position. I could go on, but I’m sure you get the point.

Maybe youll just have to watch the press conference instead of a convoluted debate of metaphors. Howie was asked what his goals were for the draft or something like that, and he said it depends on what round it is. And then he talked about trading down to pick up all of those 6th round picks, and having their meeting with scouts to see what players they were passionate about. And he straight up said the reason they wanted to many late picks is because they are looking for starters. He said they KNOW that most of those guys wont work out but thats why they want so many swings. Because if you pick 8 and hit on 3 (those were the hypothetical numbers he through out there) then youre really cookin.

He had no delusions of asking for 9 pack abs and expecting it to be reality. It was much more about operating within the reality that swinging for the fences results in a lot of strikeouts.

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The players that don’t grow into starters still can have very productive backup roles.

54 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I believe your numbers are correct, but on rounds 4-7 NFL teams are not looking for starters, but rather role players.

IMO….rounds 1-3, the debate is BPA vs. need. And, of course, it’s not binary. In the middle, there is a whole spectrum of best player available at a position that you are willing to add.

Rounds 4-7…it’s a free for all. What is BPA? The marginal difference between the 3-5 guys atop your board in a vast sea of players with mid/late round grades is miniscule. Need? Sure, but these players aren’t even nearly ready to contribute, so what’s the point of drafting for need here?

I think rounds 4-7 are more about floor vs ceiling. Highest floor means best chance of getting serviceable depth as early as possible…which you need from your late picks. Think average athletes from the SEC who have been well coached. Highest ceiling means you are taking on projects…but projects who might vastly exceed their draft slot. Rugby players, Olympic skiers, injured players, big time athletes that just kind of sucked in their college system.

Howie is a ceiling guy in the late rounds.