1 hour ago, austinfan said:

He IS the base defense, that is, Davis at NT allows Fangio to play his safeties back b/c Davis eats two blocks, so offense always outnumbered.

All he has to do as a pass rusher is collapse the pocket and allow other defensive players pick up the sack.

That is a gross oversimplification. The concept I agree with, but I am sure the Eagles are looking for a lot more from Davis than your bolded words.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I think hes at least as good a prospect as guys like Tarron Jackson and Patrick Johnson were. Could see him getting a PS spot.

Enormous uphill battle for him though. He's got to make enough of an impression as an edge rusher during no-padded rookie camp practices to MAYBE sign to the 90-man. Hope that's the case.

On 4/28/2025 at 10:44 PM, ManuManu said:

This happened to schmoopie's (grandmother? Great aunt?). Her mother was off the boat Croatian and didn't have a name decided. When the doctor asked what name she wanted for her, she said "I'll see"..... which they mistook for "Elise".

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

All that is fine. My main point is that we have to be certain the position is filled even if that means overpaying a bit. We’ve done that now and have two years to figure it out.

Correct. So, you agree they overpaid?

My stance is that they paid extra to ensure they had that role filled, and that even they didn't want to spend that much for that role. Personally, I would not have exercised the option and trusted that I could either A) negotiate a deal with him for next season at a lower price that I feel it more in line with his value and kept him around long term, or B) trusted that I could find an adequate replacement for 2026. I think that Howie wanted to extend him at a better price, but that his camp is holding out for the bigger money. He saw what Milton Williams just got. He might think he's worth that. He's not. Milton isn't worth that. Carter IS worth that and likely a little bit more.

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Higher upside at EDGE, Rucker or APR?

Jordan Davis.

Keep in mind, this is what the new "Rivalries" uniforms are going to be like for the NFL. We're going to see the Eagles in some Fresh Prince of Bel Air 90s graffiti font.

On 4/29/2025 at 10:36 AM, Connecticut Eagle said:

Howie in February...

"I think I would just ask our fans to just have patience throughout the offseason,” Roseman said. "The offseason doesn’t stop in free agency. The offseason doesn’t stop when the draft hits. The offseason, really for us, the talent acquisition season lasts up until the trade deadline. … We got a long way to go here to continue to add talent and continue to make decisions and I’m excited for that.

We know we’re not going to be able to keep everyone. Certainly, we’d like to keep everyone. But at the end of the day, we’re going to have to make some decisions this year, next year, every year going forward to try to balance who are the guys we want to make every effort to keep, who are the guys we’d really like to keep but may have some better opportunities out there.”

What do you think now, two months later?

We didn't sign everyone, therefore: D-

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Keep in mind, this is what the new "Rivalries" uniforms are going to be like for the NFL. We're going to see the Eagles in some Fresh Prince of Bel Air 90s graffiti font.

This is the kind of stuff I expect from the UFL where they have no history, and are aiming to melt my eyeballs if I happen upon a game by accident.

9 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

$$ related to value is a circular conversation. He's getting paid $13 million for one season, not 5 more years at $13 million per or more. It's not the tragedy some in here are making it out to be.

No one called it a tragedy. It was called an overpay. I understand WHY they did it. Personally, I would not have. But, I have a question for you and will leave it here: Do you think it was an overpay but are ok with the overpay to ensure they fill the specific role he plays or do you believe that he is worth that $13M for 2026?

Either way, we can leave this where it is. I'm just curious where you fall on that. I understand why the Eagles did what they did, but I believe they are in the first camp rather than the second. I think they felt the need to fill the role, and were willing to overpay for one year, to ensure the role was filled competently.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/ - Numbers
Mukuba: 186 lbs

Budda Baker: 195 lbs
Branch: 190 lbs
Hill: 191 lbs

Mukuba the lightest of already a light bunch.

Branch plays in the slot a ton. Hill too. They don't play post safety.

Mukuba has virtually identical measurements to Brian Dawkins when he came out of college. Hopefully Andrew can bulk up in a similar way.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Jordan Davis.

Was going to make a joke about the Davis news along the lines of....

Today was the first time Jordan Davis and the word 'exercise' were used in the same sentence.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is a gross oversimplification. The concept I agree with, but I am sure the Eagles are looking for a lot more from Davis than your bolded words.

It would be fine even as a gross oversimplification IF Davis actually did that. But he does not. He comes off the field in nearly all passing situations. And on the few passes that he is on the field, he's not the guy that AF described. That was the hope for what he could be, but he's never become that.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct. So, you agree they overpaid?

My stance is that they paid extra to ensure they had that role filled, and that even they didn't want to spend that much for that role. Personally, I would not have exercised the option and trusted that I could either A) negotiate a deal with him for next season at a lower price that I feel it more in line with his value and kept him around long term, or B) trusted that I could find an adequate replacement for 2026. I think that Howie wanted to extend him at a better price, but that his camp is holding out for the bigger money. He saw what Milton Williams just got. He might think he's worth that. He's not. Milton isn't worth that. Carter IS worth that and likely a little bit more.

Milton isn't worth that but he set the market and every FA DT that is good will want Milton Williams money. Like it or not the market has been set at DT. Look at the TE contracts and I am sure Goedert's agents have done that. The TE market has been set.

Not much different than the housing market. You could have looked at a houses in a desirable neighborhood four years ago and laughed at the prices and passed figuring they would come down and interest rates would come down. Four years later you are still renting and the prices have shot up way more.

I wonder if Drew Kendall gets a long look at RG. We need to ignore the Mekhi Becton year and the mammoth that he was. In the past, the Eagles have paired one large guard with one smaller guard.

Kendall is 6-4 308 and fits the bill of the "smaller guard". I love his bloodlines and could bring a mean streak with him. Will be interesting to see what they do with him.

2016-2019 Brandon Brooks (6-5 335) at RG Isaac Seumalo (6-4 304) at LG

2020 Nate Herbig (6-4 334) at RG Isaac Seumalo (6-4 304) at LG

2021-2024 Landon Dickerson (6-6 332) at LG Isaac Seumalo (6-4 304)/Cam Jurgens (6-3 303)

Pete

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Not only the passing game, but the pass rush. One of the things overlooked because of the dominant playoff run leading to a championship is the passing game wasn't great last season and the Eagles pass rush wasn't great last season. Both really took a leap come playoff time. Really, the NFC Championship and Super Bowl specifically. What the Eagles defense was great at was pursuit of the football, swarming to the ball, covering on the back end. It's why I've been so concerned about the DL. The Eagles pass rush already wasn't dominant for most of last season and they lost 2 of 4 of their best pass rushers last season in Milton and Sweat. And 3 of 5 if you include BG. But yes, the pass offense has to be better and the coaching staff needs to be better there. If Patullo and Loeffler don't get it done, there's no doubt in my mind Steichen will be back here in 2026.

Regarding the pass rush, I respectfully disagree for three key reasons. (1) this was the first year with Fangio at the helm. It took a while for the scheme to get settled … for Fangio to know what he had as player assets and adjust the scheme accordingly. (2) there were numerous key new players integrated into the unit. Chemistry takes a while to happen. (3) the one breakdown in the Defense in the after the Bye games was in containing scrambling QBs … Jayden Daniels most notably. The pass rush was purposely measured to account for that vulnerability. I don’t have access to the advanced statistical metrics, but I suspect that while the number of sacks wasn’t overwhelming ( it was 41, tied for 13th in the NFL, only 5 sacks behind the team in 6th), I suspect the QB Hits and QB Hurries stats were good. With the Back Five the Eagles had, having the opposing QB throw into that coverage was not a bad thing. The turnover differential after the Bye was outstanding.

JMO

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct. So, you agree they overpaid?

My stance is that they paid extra to ensure they had that role filled, and that even they didn't want to spend that much for that role. Personally, I would not have exercised the option and trusted that I could either A) negotiate a deal with him for next season at a lower price that I feel it more in line with his value and kept him around long term, or B) trusted that I could find an adequate replacement for 2026. I think that Howie wanted to extend him at a better price, but that his camp is holding out for the bigger money. He saw what Milton Williams just got. He might think he's worth that. He's not. Milton isn't worth that. Carter IS worth that and likely a little bit more.

I agree they are in danger of overpaying a bit. We will have to wait and see how Davis does this year and also to see how the market for DT/NTs develops to know for sure but the numbers went way up this year already so I don't think it will be a big overpay at all and if Davis improves it might end up being close to fair value.

My stance is that the role is special and I don't want to chance it so overpaying by a few million (should it end up being an overpay) is not a bad insurance policy.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No one called it a tragedy. It was called an overpay. I understand WHY they did it. Personally, I would not have. But, I have a question for you and will leave it here: Do you think it was an overpay but are ok with the overpay to ensure they fill the specific role he plays or do you believe that he is worth that $13M for 2026?

Either way, we can leave this where it is. I'm just curious where you fall on that. I understand why the Eagles did what they did, but I believe they are in the first camp rather than the second. I think they felt the need to fill the role, and were willing to overpay for one year, to ensure the role was filled competently.

I think $13 million for one season is fine. I like him as a player. He makes a few plays each game, keeps our LBs clean on run downs, and plays hard. Furthermore, I have no doubt the league sees an increase in running plays over the next few seasons as a result of the Eagles.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's entering year 4. I think its time to stop talking about his 'upside' and talk about his 'reality'. His reality is that he comes off the field way too much to warrant that pay check, IMO.

I’m not going to dispute your take, but I am inclined to put it into context with a question. Specifically, where was Milton Williams at the end of Year 3, and how did Year 4 work out for both him and the team?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Yes, a NT is needed. But do you have to pay $13M for someone to do that job for 25 percent of the snaps?

When the opposing team comes off the field after the Eagles Defense has totally shut down any (and often every) running play by their RBs, do they console themselves by saying, "But it’s only 25% of the snaps.”

16 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Keep in mind, this is what the new "Rivalries" uniforms are going to be like for the NFL. We're going to see the Eagles in some Fresh Prince of Bel Air 90s graffiti font.

3 NTs went in the top-50 with Grant (13), Tyliek (28) and Collins(43)... given that good teams run the ball, defenses are looking for answers. I posted Dalvin Tomlinson's contract where he's making $14.5 AAV at 31. I don't see an overpay here for JD, just a football team with a really good roster and constrained resources because of that.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

He plays closer to 40% of snaps. 44% in 2023- 37% in 2024 Minimizing to make your point doesn't work.

I think it is also illuminating to see the percentages by Quarter or Half.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are correct. 37% this past year. AND... in the Super Bowl, 14 snaps - which was 25%.

He does not play against the pass, he's not on the field. As a run stuffer NT, he's very good and very valuable. That's where the value ends. As a pass rusher, he's a liability. He's big enough and powerful enough that he SHOULD be able to push interior OL back into the pocket and collapse the entire thing... but he doesn't do it. And that's why they take him off the field so much. $13M for 2026 season. I just don't see him as worth that.

Davis got more snaps than the Chefs’ (thanks, Snickers) RBs got carries.

23 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Milton isn't worth that but he set the market and every FA DT that is good will want Milton Williams money. Like it or not the market has been set at DT. Look at the TE contracts and I am sure Goedert's agents have done that. The TE market has been set.

Not much different than the housing market. You could have looked at a houses in a desirable neighborhood four years ago and laughed at the prices and passed figuring they would come down and interest rates would come down. Four years later you are still renting and the prices have shot up way more.

Except every year, a whole new set of houses come on the market and they are quite affordable for the next 4 years.

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I’m not going to dispute your take, but I am inclined to put it into context with a question. Specifically, where was Milton Williams at the end of Year 3, and how did Year 4 work out for both him and the team?

In terms of pass rush? He was (and is) way ahead of where Davis is. Williams was really good in 2022, took a step back with the rest of the team in 2023, bounced back in 2024 to be slightly better than he was in 2022, and had the big Super Bowl to get the massive payday... as the last taste left in the mouths of GMs was a 2 sack performance on the biggest stage.