12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Davis got more snaps than the Chefs’ (thanks, Snickers) RBs got carries.

Well, that is true. Reid has never been good at sticking to a running game, especially when things are going south offensively.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Anyone out there that would interest you? Most vets that I can think of are contract worthy and not the tryout worthy players. I'm sure there's an intriguing name or two we could come up with.

I think this year I would go with players already on the team but without much experience. Gabe Hall, A Smith as he missed so much last year, Vakalahi, if he has recovered enough BVS with the RBs/TEs (where else does the FB belong). They are allowed five vets but value really is for sophomores or players with a new position as this is a fundamentals level drilling at rookie minicamp.

15 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

3 NTs went in the top-50 with Grant (13), Tyliek (28) and Collins(43)... given that good teams run the ball, defenses are looking for answers. I posted Dalvin Tomlinson's contract where he's making $14.5 AAV at 31. I don't see an overpay here for JD, just a football team with a really good roster and constrained resources because of that.

So, are you suggesting that the Eagles' (and to a lesser extent, Ravens') running effectiveness might have reset the market for the NT position?

That could very well be true. But, even so, I still don't think the Eagles wanted to give Davis that 5th year at that number. The timing of it and waiting until the very last minute would indicate otherwise, especially in terms of them waiting until after the draft concluded where they came away with no NT... just like they came away with no TE, so Goedert is likely here for 2025 despite his massive price tag next year because of keeping him this year.

I have no problem with the Eagles picking up Jordan's 5th year option. The NFL saw what the Eagles, Lions, and Ravens did last year. Two RBs went in the first round. It's a cyclical and copy-cat league. Running game is making a return. For that reason alone, you take the chance on his option and hope he improves. There is that other part to it...they do want more out of him and I think they are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will show it...

6 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I have no problem with the Eagles picking up Jordan's 5th year option. The NFL saw what the Eagles, Lions, and Ravens did last year. Two RBs went in the first round. It's a cyclical and copy-cat league. Running game is making a return. For that reason alone, you take the chance on his option and hope he improves. There is that other part to it...they do want more out of him and I think they are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will show it...

It's not like he's year 1 or 2. He'll be in year 4

Just now, Mike030270 said:

It's not like he's year 1 or 2. He'll be in year 4

I’m aware…I’m also aware that DT is a historically slow developing position. The Jalen Carters that set the league on fire from the jump are the outliers

29 minutes ago, mattwill said:

When the opposing team comes off the field after the Eagles Defense has totally shut down any (and often every) running play by their RBs, do they console themselves by saying, "But it’s only 25% of the snaps.”

How much of that do you attribute to Davis specifically? The reason I asked people how they rated his play as a run stuffer isn’t because I want to know do they think he is elite in the role. Is he very good? Or what?

I think he’s very good against the run. I wouldn’t call him elite, and I think people in here would. So if we took a downgrade from Davis’ very good play IMO, to a merely good run stuffer, how much would the run defense suffer?

While Davis' production so far is not worth 13M a year, it makes sense to buy an additional year to see if he develops under last year's new DL coach Clint Hurtt after hearing Hurtt speak about his development, and seeing results on the field at the end of the year.

If he disappoints, he wont get a big extension. But he may be 1 year away from breaking out, and you dont want to have already cut bait at that point.

Also, this move came after the draft where the eagles seemed to have real interest in drafting a NT type of DT but the board just didnt break that way. So as of today, Jordan Davis became by far their best bet for that position in 2025. If they had a rookie they were high on, this decision might be different, or at least more difficult. As of today's deadline, with the draft in the rearview and no NT added, this was a no brainer.

Awkward….

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

While Davis' production so far is not worth 13M a year, it makes sense to buy an additional year to see if he develops under last year's new DL coach Clint Hurtt after hearing Hurtt speak about his development, and seeing results on the field at the end of the year.

If he disappoints, he wont get a big extension. But he may be 1 year away from breaking out, and you dont want to have already cut bait at that point.

True… and I don’t think that some realize that his $13 million will only represent roughly 4% of the cap that season

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

So your theory is that will be his play % in the regular season?

No, my theory is that Fangio didn’t think he was good enough to play more snaps when the stakes were at its highest, and when playing with a lead he isn’t worth having on the field because he isn’t even good at pushing the pocket.

For $13M he should command more playing time, period.

1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said:

Mukuba has virtually identical measurements to Brian Dawkins when he came out of college. Hopefully Andrew can bulk up in a similar way.

Mukuba Matata means his height weight is no worries. I should trademark Mukuba Matata

Guys get hung up on the $13mm (it's a little less) and compare it to the AAV of other DTs, but the real advantage here is it is only $13mm guaranteed and one year. Multi-year deals with large guarantees are what end up wrecking a team and a cap (see Watson, DeShaun). While Davis might not get a $13mm AAV on the open market in a multi-year deal (I think he would, FWIW), he'd definitely get way more than $13mm guaranteed. We're basically buying a cheap option to see if Davis can continue the progress he showed in the post season. If he doesn't, it really isn't a big hit to the cap. If he does, then you have him under contract cheap for 2026 and can talk extension.

Huff is a $17mm AAV as well, but with $34mm guaranteed, we are stuck with him for at least 2 years unless we want to take a massive cap hit to move on. Baun is also $17mm AAV (to pick a non-bust), but with $34mm gtee. Maybe Howie tried to add some void years, but for now Davis is one year, $13mm in 2026 and no dead money after that. Cheap option.

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, are you suggesting that the Eagles' (and to a lesser extent, Ravens') running effectiveness might have reset the market for the NT position?

That could very well be true. But, even so, I still don't think the Eagles wanted to give Davis that 5th year at that number. The timing of it and waiting until the very last minute would indicate otherwise, especially in terms of them waiting until after the draft concluded where they came away with no NT... just like they came away with no TE, so Goedert is likely here for 2025 despite his massive price tag next year because of keeping him this year.

I agree, I think in both cases Howie lost the staring contest… because both players know they can get better money on the open market rather than folding to a team friendly extension. This doesn’t mean we got a bad deal, just not the one we ideally wanted.

I saw a video the other day where the guy said "What does Jalon Walker do better than Jihaad Campbell" and I'm still thinking about why so many had him rated higher? Any ideas? Oddly enough I was checking their ages and both were born on 2/24/2004 so it's definitely not age related.

I’m fine about picking up the option but I would hope they redo his contract one way or another next offseason. Either he plays well in 2025 and earns a legit extension or he’s more of the same and gets a shorter extension at a lower AAV than $13M.

I think the worst scenario would be where we are at now. Not sure what exactly he’s worth and talking about untapped potential entering year 5 and playing him on a one year $13M deal.

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I saw a video the other day where the guy said "What does Jalon Walker do better than Jihaad Campbell" and I'm still thinking about why so many had him rated higher? Any ideas? Oddly enough I was checking their ages and both were born on 2/24/2004 so it's definitely not age related.

Campbell is injured. Walker is not. Beyond that, I've got nothing.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Where would you rank Davis among run stuffing DTs? Or how would you rate his level of play in that role? Elite? Very good? Good? Above average?

That is a loaded question for a myriad of reasons. None of us have sufficient video of the other NTs to give an informed answer. So I will give you a loaded answer … in my opinion, for whatever that is worth … Davis is the top ranked NT currently in the NFL, #1 ahead of all the other NTs.

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Two ways. He is pretty good, routinely taking on two blockers. And...our linebackers often had clear paths to the ball on running plays. He is good as a player and his play helps teammates play better. Again, not a great player, but pretty good.

Are there currently any great NTs in the NFL?

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is a loaded question for a myriad of reasons. None of us have sufficient video of the other NTs to give an informed answer. So I will give you a loaded answer … in my opinion, for whatever that is worth … Davis is the top ranked NT currently in the NFL, #1 ahead of all the other NTs.

That's silly. He's not better than Dexter Lawrence or Vita Vea or a handful of other NT's.

31 minutes ago, McMVP said:

True… and I don’t think that some realize that his $13 million will only represent roughly 4% of the cap that season

You also have to consider what percentage of that $13 million eats into their 2026 available cap. Overall it's not a big percentage of the cap but with the situation this team is in with a lot of highly paid players, that $13M could be used in other areas.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Except every year, a whole new set of houses come on the market and they are quite affordable for the next 4 years.

Actually, that isn’t the case.

What you have is that the cost of building a new home new house is X dollars per square foot … our town here in California it’s about $550 per square foot. So, new houses come on the market at that price. Then, when real estate agents are looking for comparables in order to price the resale of existing houses in that same market, they first look at what they have historically as the per square foot price for the house they’re trying to resell … and it’s way below $550 dollars per square foot. So they jettisoned that lower price and set the listing price of the resale house at just below $550 per square foot. That process means that all the prices of all the houses that are on the market in that marketplace go up to match the new home priced.

As a result prices escalate they don’t stay low.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's silly. He's not better than Dexter Lawrence or Vita Vea or a handful of other NT's.

I was actually just starting to look at some of those contracts:

Vea: Signed a 4 year extension before the 2022 season for 2023-2026. 4 years, $71mm, $17.75mm AAV and $33.9mm guaranteed.

Lawrence: 4 year extension, $87.5mm contract signed in 2023. $21.875mm AAV and $60mm guaranteed.

So that's the top of the market