Just now, vikas83 said:

I was actually just starting to look at some of those contracts:

Vea: Signed a 4 year extension before the 2022 season for 2023-2026. 4 years, $71mm, $17.75mm AAV and $33.9mm guaranteed.

Lawrence: 4 year extension, $87.5mm contract signed in 2023. $21.875mm AAV and $60mm guaranteed.

So that's the top of the market

Both are probably underpaid at this point too. I would much rather have Lawrence and gladly pay more than what Milton Williams got. Not sure about Vea with his age.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Both are probably underpaid at this point too. I would much rather have Lawrence and gladly pay more than what Milton Williams got. Not sure about Vea with his age.

Yeah, it's been 2 years since Lawrence signed, 3 years since Vea. I'm guessing Lawrence today gets close to $30mm AAV, maybe something like $28mm. They are the outliers at NT -- a guy like Jarran Reed just signed a 3 year, $22mm deal with only $8mm gtee, but he is also 32.

Davis being in the middle of those guys on an AAV basis makes sense to me. His AAV is closer to Reed than Lawrence, basically the midpoint between Reed and Vea.

45 minutes ago, McMVP said:

True… and I don’t think that some realize that his 13 million will only represent roughly 4% of the cap that season

That’s a great point.

If Jordan Davis helps make other teams one dimensional where we can get our best pass rushers on the field then he's worth every penny. Who knows how many sacks he could actually get if he was able to rush full time like Dexter Lawrence.

Jordan Davis played 388 snaps last year and had 27 tackles which is one every 14.37 snaps. Dexter Lawrence had 552 snaps with 44 tackles which is one tackle every 12.54 snaps. Vita Vea had 42 tackles in 705 snaps which is one every 16.78 snaps. I get tackles isn't the best stat just some numbers to look at

35 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

I saw a video the other day where the guy said "What does Jalon Walker do better than Jihaad Campbell" and I'm still thinking about why so many had him rated higher? Any ideas? Oddly enough I was checking their ages and both were born on 2/24/2004 so it's definitely not age related.

JW has better play strength and so projects better to Edge - also the injury factor.

The terminology of "exercising" Davis' 5th year option is apropos because that's basically what he needs to spend the entire offseason doing. I'm not super high on Davis, but I do know if there is still some untapped potential in there, he's certainly never going to reach it blowing up to the size he has in the past. Credit to him in 2024 he was slimmer, I'd like him to shed a little more poundage.

One more NT contract - Grady Jarrett. He signed this year -- 3 years, $42.75mm with $28.5mm guaranteed. $14.25mm AAV, and Jarrett is 32 years old and tore his ACL in 2023.

$13mm ain't what it used to be.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The terminology of "exercising" Davis' 5th year option is apropos because that's basically what he needs to spend the entire offseason doing. I'm not super high on Davis, but I do know if there is still some untapped potential in there, he's certainly never going to reach it blowing up to the size he has in the past. Credit to him in 2024 he was slimmer, I'd like him to shed a little more poundage.

Thought the same thing. I'll add that he could benefit from being more mean. I know I sound like a tater, but he's the nicest, warmest guy. Football, especially at his position, isn't so nice. It seems like he could benefit from a different mindset/maybe even loving the sport and nastiness of it more.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

So I mentioned Michael Silver’s story inside the Jags draft room…

So the new GM made 31 laminated cards of players he really wanted to draft. He made nine picks and eight of them were among the 31. He apparently wanted to draft RJ Harvey at the top of round 3. Down wanted to trade up to get him and he decided to sit back and rely on the board. He also correctly predicted the Rams taking Terrance Ferguson in round 2.

I remember reading a book about the draft. Rich McKay was the GM of Atlanta at the time, and predraft he correctly predicted more than half of the draft picks they ended up making.

What’s the point of all this? I don’t really know. I just find the whole process fascinating and love to see the innerworkings.

I have a friend in the league. I don’t talk to him very often but we used to be very close. He was working for a team many years ago…more than twenty five now that I think about it. His team had six picks. Before the draft he named five guys they were going to pick. They picked every one of them. It ended up being a crap draft. I think it boils down to picking guys a round or two before the rest of the league thinks they deserve to be picked. That’s really the only way you can decisively get the guys you were planning on…to reach for them.

I think it says more about the quality of your draft room if guys you like are getting picked ahead of you. It means your scouting is on target.

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

One more NT contract - Grady Jarrett. He signed this year -- 3 years, $42.75mm with $28.5mm guaranteed. $14.25mm AAV, and Jarrett is 32 years old and tore his ACL in 2023.

$13mm ain't what it used to be.

Just out of curiosity I looked at this deal and then wanted to know snap counts since he’s been a good pass rusher. Jarrett’s deal is basically 2-$30. He also played 67 percent of the snaps.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

It's not like he's year 1 or 2. He'll be in year 4

He just turned 25 a few months ago. He’s just entering his prime.

Plenty of players have breakthrough seasons in their 4th year.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

He just turned 25 a few months ago. He’s just entering his prime.

Plenty of players have breakthrough seasons in their 4th year.

So he’ll reach 50% of snaps then?

Good watch from QB3

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So he’ll reach 50% of snaps then?

Probably not because we run a 4 man rotation and Carter is the guy who gets significant extra snaps.

But higher production in the snaps he gets? Yes, I think he will improve there.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

Probably not because we run a 4 man rotation and Carter is the guy who gets significant extra snaps.

But higher production in the snaps he gets? Yes, I think he will improve there.

Sorry that was sarcasm on my part. I believe he is what he is

This guy is tight with DeVonta. I can see the Eagles giving Ruggs a shot.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-jacobs-henry-ruggs-is-training-in-prison-in-hopes-of-second-nfl-chance

2 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Was going to make a joke about the Davis news along the lines of....

Today was the first time Jordan Davis and the word 'exercise' were used in the same sentence.

Social media comments along the same lines, that they really emphasized "Exercised." 🤣

55 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Actually, that isn’t the case what you have is that the cost of building a new home new house is X dollars per square foot in our town here in California. It’s about $550 per square foot so the new houses come on the market at that price, then when real estate agents are looking for comparables in order to price the resale of existing houses in that same market They look at what they have historically per square foot as the price for the house they’re trying to resell and it’s way below $550 dollars per square foot. So they list the resale house with a price just below $550 per square foot and all the prices of all the houses that are on the market in that marketplace go up so prices escalate they don’t stay low.

I was using the new houses analogy for the draft. Every year, cheaper talent comes into the league.

The Eagles dumped CJGJ's salary and added Andrew Mukuba.

They decided not to pay the king's ransom for Milton Williams and instead added Ty Robinson.
They let Darius Slay leave and added Mac McWilliams.

They let Mekhi Becton leave and added 2 more huge OTs.
They let Josh Sweat leave and added APR.

They traded away Kenny Pickett and added Kyle McCord.

The combined cost of those players will be less than any one of Becton, Williams, Sweat or Slay.

It had nothing to do with houses.

4 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

This guy is tight with DeVonta. I can see the Eagles giving Ruggs a shot.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/josh-jacobs-henry-ruggs-is-training-in-prison-in-hopes-of-second-nfl-chance

Yes, been saying it since DeVonta went to his sentencing hearing tthat when Ruggs is eventually released I believe the Eagles are the team that will sign him. If he gets out Auguat of next year he will only be 27 years old. He is best friends with DeVonta and should still be one of the fastest players in the league. Dotson will be gone by that point.

Eagles will absolutely be the favorites to land him and revitalize him.

DeVonta Smith's best friend. Lurie gave Mike Vick a 2nd chance. He's 26.

16 minutes ago, TEW said:

Probably not because we run a 4 man rotation and Carter is the guy who gets significant extra snaps.

But higher production in the snaps he gets? Yes, I think he will improve there.

So you're saying that if he was good enough, they'd play him more, like they do with Carter, like they did with Williams.

2022: Cox played 64%, Hargrave 64%, Williams 36%, Davis 20%... midseason additions Suh and Joseph played 16% and 17%, respectively.

2023: Cox still got 59%, Carter 48%, Davis 45%, Williams 42%, Ojomo 6%.

2024: Carter went up to 79%, Williams up to 48%, Davis dropped to 37% and Ojomo jumped to 37%, Booker got 16%.

What's the moral of the story? In seasons where the Eagles did better, Davis played less snaps. In the one where the team was worse, he played more. I'm not saying its a straight correlation, but him seeing more playing time isn't a harbinger of good things for this team. With Cox gone, a lot of snaps became available. And we saw Carter, Williams, and Ojomo all increase their snaps, while only Davis saw fewer snaps.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

DeVonta Smith's best friend. Lurie gave Mike Vick a 2nd chance. He's 26.

I have no interest.

I would be fine either way about Davis, keep him, let him walk, extend him, I'm kind of indifferent and trust Fangio and coaches.

I do think it's interesting how many fans once rationalized trading a 3rd round pick for Golden Tate for an 8 game rental because he caught 1 pass in the playoffs and said it was worth it.