49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The commissioners job is to maximize profits and oversee the operations of the business.

Goodell is annoying for always tinkering with the product and making unnecessary changes but he’s not a terrible commissioner.

He may look terrible to the fans, but he is a great commissioner for the owners.

I have seen at least two different posts where it ended with "except for the money he makes for the owners."

That is his job. He makes them money and insulates them from themselves. They had a hefty lawsuit filed against them over concussions; they did not want to pay that kind of money anymore, so they looked at ways to make a violent game safer. They have paid out over $1.5 billion in settlements, and that is not going down any time soon. They needed to figure out how to slow down paying that much. Kickoffs changed because the owners wanted them to change. They used Goodall to deliver that message and take the heat off of them.

He plays the bad guy, so people have an enemy to point at instead of the owners themselves. Which is fine, everyone needs a bad guy, and it seems like this dynamic works.

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

He may look terrible to the fans, but he is a great commissioner for the owners.

I have seen at least two different posts where it ended with "except for the money he makes for the owners."

That is his job. He makes them money and insulates them from themselves. They had a hefty lawsuit filed against them over concussions; they did not want to pay that kind of money anymore, so they looked at ways to make a violent game safer. They have paid out over $1.5 billion in settlements, and that is not going down any time soon. They needed to figure out how to slow down paying that much. Kickoffs changed because the owners wanted them to change. They used Goodall to deliver that message and take the heat off of them.

He plays the bad guy, so people have an enemy to point at instead of the owners themselves. Which is fine, everyone needs a bad guy, and it seems like this dynamic works.

Yup. I get why fans boo him and don’t like him. Like you said, that’s part of the design of his job.

I’d also add the majority of players are also likely quite happy with him. It’s annoying to a fan and consumer that games are on so many different streaming services but that’s all revenue coming in with a percentage going to the salary cap. It was only 10 years ago the highest QB was averaging $22M per year to now Brock Purdy is getting $53M.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I get why fans boo him and don’t like him. Like you said, that’s part of the design of his job.

I’d also add the majority of players are also likely quite happy with him. It’s annoying to a fan and consumer that games are on so many different streaming services but that’s all revenue coming in with a percentage going to the salary cap. It was only 10 years ago the highest QB was averaging $22M per year to now Brock Purdy is getting $53M.

Goodell's job is to be the bad guy on behalf of the owners, and to maximize profit (as you both said). However, both the brotherly shove ban and playoff re-seeding idea are the first time I can remember Goodell not getting what he wants. The health and safety and competition committees pushed the BS ban, and Goodell clearly wanted it. His failure on that vote is really stunning and makes me think perhaps he doesn't understand his constituency (the owners) as well as he once did.

8 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Goodell's job is to be the bad guy on behalf of the owners, and to maximize profit (as you both said). However, both the brotherly shove ban and playoff re-seeding idea are the first time I can remember Goodell not getting what he wants. The health and safety and competition committees pushed the BS ban, and Goodell clearly wanted it. His failure on that vote is really stunning and makes me think perhaps he doesn't understand his constituency (the owners) as well as he once did.

Tush push is a unique circumstance imo. Clearly a lot of owners want it banned and thus so did Goodell who did everything he could and played every card he had, he just failed because 9 other teams showed a spine.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

LOLOLOLOL

Attaboy Harper!

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Clearly doctored video, because...

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Couldn't disagree more. The NFL is the only major professional sport that is more watchable now than it was 25 years ago.

MLB is now unwatchable. ANALytics has taken over how the game is played because baseball refused to adapt from their archaic ways. NBA is basically run by the players with a puppet holding the commissioner job. NHL is run by a corrupt commissioner and his two corrupt lackeys.

Goodell's biggest issue through the lens of the tush push, kickoffs, etc. is that he's giving the Competition Committee too much voice. They changed the PI rule because one crybaby in New Orleans couldn't accept that refs sometimes miss calls. The result was a sham where the review officials wouldn't overrule the on-field officials, and no one knew what was pass interference anymore. They changed the rule for "emergency QB" when no rule change was needed. CIN dressed 3 QBs for their conference championship game because they understood contingency planning. Lynch and Shanahan dressed two QBs for their game by choice, then cried so much to the Committee that they created a rule that was never needed. Same thing with the constant tinkering of what's a catch and not a catch, what's roughing the passer and what isn't.

These aren't commissioner-driven initiatives; they come from committee. I'll agree that Goodell shouldn't be voicing his personal preference prior to the final vote being held, but he's constantly asked so he gives his opinion. If you really think Goodell is actively strong-arming and coercing owners, does it make any sense that 10 of them dissented?

The NFL gets more unwatchable with each passing year. Constant commercial breaks, flags every other play, idiotic rule changes year over year. At some point the damn will break and viewership will start going down, I feel like it'll be relatively soon (within the next 5-7 years) with all of this "exclusively streaming on Peacock/Amazon/Max/Netflix". People don't want to subscribe to 40 streaming services just to watch football and Sunday Ticket is still stupid expensive.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Clearly doctored video, because...

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

The NFL gets more unwatchable with each passing year. Constant commercial breaks, flags every other play, idiotic rule changes year over year. At some point the damn will break and viewership will start going down, I feel like it'll be relatively soon (within the next 5-7 years) with all of this "exclusively streaming on Peacock/Amazon/Max/Netflix". People don't want to subscribe to 40 streaming services just to watch football and Sunday Ticket is still stupid expensive.

And these things have already started to erode my fandom.

The number of flags is a big issue... and you hear the announcers even talking about it during games. Goodell should put more effort into figuring out how to get better officiating, and more importantly, more consistent officiating from game to game, crew to crew, etc.

But, I'm already out on TNF games that don't include the Eagles. I rarely check in on MNF. I watch SNF sometimes, if its a good matchup, but mostly I watch the 1PM Sunday and 4PM Sunday games... and the Eagles game if it fits a different time slot. That's it. Once upon a time, I watched every game all the time, but these massive money grabs put me off.

I won't watch the Friday night NFL games this year. I won't watch the NFL games on Christmas. It's just too much and the various streaming services just makes it worse. I pay for the streaming services I pay for already and the NFL won't change which services I pay for.

13 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

You animal. Not wrong though. You can just tell lol.

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I think at least one becomes a starter and one a solid backup. My guess would be Williams because of where he was projected next year. Now he has 2-3 years to learn under Lane.

Jordan isn't going anyplace but I don't recall him ever saying anything like that before. It's exciting, and can you imagine not having to spend a first on a tackle and what that will allow them to do? Wow...

It's an exciting group to see how Stoutland develops them. That's why you don't reach for need. They saw 3 O linemen they liked and took them and their strategy is that if one of them becomes a starter that's a win. As you said, if one of them can replace Lane that's a mid round pick becoming your starter. Howie is also looking at contract situations with the money committed to Mailata, Jurgens and Dickerson. Smart moves.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The commissioners job is to maximize profits and oversee the operations of the business.

Goodell is annoying for always tinkering with the product and making unnecessary changes but he’s not a terrible commissioner.

What you and I and essentially everyone who posts here believes is the product … what goes on in the field … is not what Goodell believes is the product. He looks at his periodic Revenue Report and sees that the NFL gets the bulk of its revenues by selling "access to an audience” to people/organizations who want that access in order to convey a message to the audience. Every decision as a result weighs the impact the decision has on audience size and audience demographics … both the pluses and the minuses.

For Thursday nights there is a significant jump in audience size that day of the week from essentially zero to greater than zero. That gives the NFL more audience to sell. However, the Sunday audience does take a hit because the respective cities of the two Thursday teams don’t have a "home” game that Sunday. But the dip in the Sunday audience has been shown to be rather small. So small in fact that the networks don’t reduce the value they believe they are getting, and as a result don’t reduce their license fee bids/payments.

It is possible that all this tush push attention/discussion was never real , but rather orchestrated theater intended to jack up audience awareness.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

It is possible that all this tush push attention/discussion was never real , but rather orchestrated theater intended to jack up audience awareness.

You mean like Fight Club?

47 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Love the Palestra!

35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Clearly doctored video, because...

These days sure are hard to figure out.

Eminem being a top rapper

Shaboozey and Beyonce taking over the country scene

Mac McClung winning the dunk competition

We have a white CB and RB

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You mean like Fight Club?

Never saw that movie, so I don’t know. But if you say so.

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And these things have already started to erode my fandom.

The number of flags is a big issue... and you hear the announcers even talking about it during games. Goodell should put more effort into figuring out how to get better officiating, and more importantly, more consistent officiating from game to game, crew to crew, etc.

But, I'm already out on TNF games that don't include the Eagles. I rarely check in on MNF. I watch SNF sometimes, if its a good matchup, but mostly I watch the 1PM Sunday and 4PM Sunday games... and the Eagles game if it fits a different time slot. That's it. Once upon a time, I watched every game all the time, but these massive money grabs put me off.

I won't watch the Friday night NFL games this year. I won't watch the NFL games on Christmas. It's just too much and the various streaming services just makes it worse. I pay for the streaming services I pay for already and the NFL won't change which services I pay for.

Yea I haven't watched a football game that didn't involve the eagles for maybe 3 years now. It's just not entertaining to watch 3+ hours of commercials and flags for teams i don't care about

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Never saw that movie, so I don’t know. But if you say so.

The movie stunk but I thought it fit. That was the big twist, that the guy wasn't real.

48 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Never saw that movie, so I don’t know. But if you say so.

Great movie. Best movie from David Fincher which says a lot because he's one of the best living directors out there. Although his last two movies have been a bit disappointing. The Killer wasn't bad but Mank was awful.

In fact, I would rank his movies as such:

1. Fight Club (1999)

2. Zodiac (2007)

3. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011)

4. Gone Girl (2014)

5. The Social Network (2010)

6. Se7en (1995)

7. The Game (1997)

8. The Killer (2023)

9. Panic Room (2002)

10. The Curios Case of Benjamin Button (2008)

11. Alien 3 (1992)

12. Mank (2020)

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

You mean like Fight Club?

Hey, you do not talk about Fight Club!

4 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

38 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The movie stunk but I thought it fit. That was the big twist, that the guy wasn't real.

The attention garnered by the tush push controversy was real. The controversy itself was a whole lot less real. I suspect the NFL is quite pleased with its calculation of audience size/share/penetration/retention after all the tush push dust has settled.

1 hour ago, twistr said:

Such a good movie. Very underrated