6 hours ago, devpool said:

People downplay McNabb's contributions because we didn't win a super bowl with him, but he was a huge reason this team was good.

Hurts wins another SB and I'd say he passes McNabb. IMO, he is currently akin to Eli, middling regular season performances but has turned it on on the postseason when it counts. Also helps he has possibly the greatest Eagles team ever assembled while McNabb had pinkston and thrash for the prime of his career.

McNabb was one cheating Patriots team away from giving us a super bowl

McNabb is one player I've always had the hardest time with. He was good and did more with less talent at the WR position. When he got T.O., we finally broke the threshold to get to the SB.

But, I had a hard time liking him, mostly because of his demeanor and some weird things he'd say. He seemed like he never really got over the draft day booing. His "worm burners" were frequent enough that it was super annoying.

I'll always respect what he accomplished, but I can't look back at his time with the team with the same reverence as, say, Cunningham or Dawkins or several other Eagles.

18 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

How about the safety from DET (Kirby?) that's chopping receivers out at the knees because that's legal... an unintended but foreseeable consequence given the small hit box the league allows above the waist.

Yep. Kazee is another one, as is Kareem Jackson. The NFL finally suspended Jackson last season after multiple flagrant hits and fines - more injuries than the Shove also. Lest we forget Devonta Smith vs the Saints was lost for period of time on a late hit.

There is a theme in the NFL, but the HO believe chasing vanity is more important than actual player safety.

A note on Foles. He was an incredibly streaky QB whose highs were elite and lows were Ian Book. The lesson in sports and life is to get performers like him stable and focused so the lows are not deep.

21 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

McNabb is one player I've always had the hardest time with. He was good and did more with less talent at the WR position. When he got T.O., we finally broke the threshold to get to the SB.

But, I had a hard time liking him, mostly because of his demeanor and some weird things he'd say. He seemed like he never really got over the draft day booing. His "worm burners" were frequent enough that it was super annoying.

I'll always respect what he accomplished, but I can't look back at his time with the team with the same reverence as, say, Cunningham or Dawkins or several other Eagles.

Same…

I have Hurts over McNabb easily. Yes Hurts has a better roster to work with than McNabb did. It doesn’t matter really. I have a feeling McNabb could still find a way to lose with this one in a crucial game. I never had much confidence in him in big moments.

59 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just popped in to point out what the Phillies are doing right now. They are beating the living snot out of the bottom feeders of the MLB right now. Sure, they aren't playing anyone right now... but they are handling business wonderfully. They don't make the schedule, all they can do is dominate the teams in front of them and they are doing that wonderfully.

The only complaint I have is that the pitching staff needs to step up to protect their batters. Harper has been plunked 3 times in 3 games now. No retaliatory throws against the opponent. I'm sorry, that's just not an option. Teams have become very comfortable throwing in on Harper and they need to become less comfortable with it. Was the throw last night intentional? Were the TWO in the same game against the A's intentional? It doesn't matter. Throwing inside comes with risk. They have been very comfortable doing it because that risk is only the runner getting on base, not the ball being put into the ribs of their star player. That needs to change tonight. Acuna should have one put into his ribs tonight... in the appropriate situation.

Do it 1st pitch, 1st at bat. Wheeler and Realmuto will have to set the tone because Thompson will never order it up.

Don't love putting the lead off hitter on (especially Acuna).. Our luck they would toss Wheeler.. Probably didn't retaliate yesterday since Stranger Ranger only throws 75 mph.

Wheeler does need to do something though. Preferably with 2 outs

16 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Do it 1st pitch, 1st at bat. Wheeler and Realmuto will have to set the tone because Thompson will never order it up.

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Don't love putting the lead off hitter on (especially Acuna).. Our luck they would toss Wheeler.. Probably didn't retaliate yesterday since Stranger Ranger only throws 75 mph.

Wheeler does need to do something though. Preferably with 2 outs

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52 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The problem with stats is that people are too dense to understand that rushing is a QB stat now.

Hurts does not drop back 26.6 times per game in 2024 without also rushing 10 times a game. 36.6 (38.5 if you call DC#2 1/4 of a game)

That 36.6 plays per game is more than Stafford at 35.9 but no one would ever say Stafford just hands the ball off.

Hurts averages 35 TDs per year in the last 3 and 32.75 as a starter. Only losers care that only 21 per year (or 19.75) are thrown.

Stafford averages 18.3 TDs the last 3 years or 21 TDs the last 2 healthy years.

Make that 28.3 TDs per year if you allow him to skip 2022 and include 2021.

Hurts is an elite statistical QB in a run pass hybrid QB league dominated by Hurts, Allen, and Jackson.

(He's just not video game stats like Jackson and occasional Allen)

He is an elite winner

He is an elite playoff winner

He is the only 5 and 5 playoff season QB

He is the only 10 and 10 playoff career QB

He is an all-time elite SB performer in a league where Montana rode that to GoaT for 25 years.

Add in his leadership, example, and devastating effect on the Eagles run game and he's a clear top 1 going into 2025.

Top 1 at football. Feel free to take Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson for Fantasy League.

If we are voting for Hall of Fame where 2018-2021 really matter now then pick Mahomes instead. We are not.

Burrow led his team to 20 points in a SB with the help of a RB TD pass.

Allen and Lamar can't sniff a Super Bowl.

Who are these better than Hurts QBs? Justin Herbert and his 4 picks in a playoff game?

Jared Goff had 3 picks on his anointed team in a home playoff game? That's the same number of points he put up in his SB.

A rookie who Hurts beat by 22 in the NFCCG?

0-3 vs Hurts Love?

23 TDs a year Stroud?

50-53 career Baker and his 203 combo yards in a home playoff loss?

Sam Darnold?

Purdy?

Rayne Dakota Prescott?

What do these Negadelphia clowns watch on Sunday? It can't be NFL QB play.

Why do you care so much?

Why do you take things so personally?

An interesting piece of input that supports the thinking that the Commies will take a step back this season.

Clickbait, but fun nonetheless.

15 hours ago, just relax said:

The duplex was legal, but was it clean? There is a difference and in that difference I distinguish between out and out dirty players, like Suh, and players like Dawkins, who’s always trying to hurt you but pretty much within the rules. Getting back to what Luvu was trying to do, it was a two-parter: first, if he timed it just right, he could hit Hurts before he could duck behind Dickerson and Jurgens and stop the play and second, he could bait the OL into jumping and move them back five yards. What does he have to lose? An inch or three? The notion that he was trying to hurt Jurgens’ back is nonsense. He was jumping over Jurgens, not into him or even onto him. Hitting Hurts helmet to helmet is another story but on QB sneaks there’s a lot of that. Everybody puts their head down, squares the neck, and goes.

I was more concerned that Luvu could keep leaping the line indefinitely until he timed it perfectly or our OL flinched - this lack of consequence was very gamey, BUT the NFL fortunately has a rule to counter this tactic with the automatic TD (which I was unaware of). Maybe one day we'll see a defense engineer an automatic TD to get the ball back to their offense (in which case the NFL will likely write a rule about the offense having the option to run off time following defensive penalties).

Interesting stats. Lots of turnover in the Not For Long league.

I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but are the Dodgers looking at a season like the Lions had in 2024?

20 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Clickbait, but fun nonetheless.

St. Louis, the best NFL town of the towns without NFL teams.

35 minutes ago, mattwill said:

An interesting piece of input that supports the thinking that the Commies will take a step back this season.

They also won like five or so games on the last play of the game last season. Not sure if that’s a consistent strategy.

9 hours ago, devpool said:

People downplay McNabb's contributions because we didn't win a super bowl with him, but he was a huge reason this team was good.

Hurts wins another SB and I'd say he passes McNabb. IMO, he is currently akin to Eli, middling regular season performances but has turned it on on the postseason when it counts. Also helps he has possibly the greatest Eagles team ever assembled while McNabb had pinkston and thrash for the prime of his career.

McNabb was one cheating Patriots team away from giving us a super bowl

IDK…Eli was absolutely amazing in one of his SB runs, pretty good in the other but he was terrible in his other 4 appearances. While deserving a lot of praise for those 2 runs, it’s often forgotten how bad he was outside of those 2 years. Hell he lost to a Jeff Garcia led Eagles in the playoffs.

Time will tell, Hurts has the 2 stinkers against TB (gets a pass for the second one IMO). Let’s revisit this in 3 years…when Hurts has a chance to make the playoffs more times than Eli did in his 16 years in the league (3 more wins and he passes Eli’s career total of wins). Which that is about the window I give Harris down the street in DC before he gets bored with his new toy that Wash should be ‘contenders’ for. Going to be some interesting football.

55 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Why do you care so much?

Why do you take things so personally?

I've had him on ignore and it's so much better

Will cheap owners get their way?

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just popped in to point out what the Phillies are doing right now. They are beating the living snot out of the bottom feeders of the MLB right now. Sure, they aren't playing anyone right now... but they are handling business wonderfully. They don't make the schedule, all they can do is dominate the teams in front of them and they are doing that wonderfully.

The only complaint I have is that the pitching staff needs to step up to protect their batters. Harper has been plunked 3 times in 3 games now. No retaliatory throws against the opponent. I'm sorry, that's just not an option. Teams have become very comfortable throwing in on Harper and they need to become less comfortable with it. Was the throw last night intentional? Were the TWO in the same game against the A's intentional? It doesn't matter. Throwing inside comes with risk. They have been very comfortable doing it because that risk is only the runner getting on base, not the ball being put into the ribs of their star player. That needs to change tonight. Acuna should have one put into his ribs tonight... in the appropriate situation.

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Do it 1st pitch, 1st at bat. Wheeler and Realmuto will have to set the tone because Thompson will never order it up.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

Don't love putting the lead off hitter on (especially Acuna).. Our luck they would toss Wheeler.. Probably didn't retaliate yesterday since Stranger Ranger only throws 75 mph.

Wheeler does need to do something though. Preferably with 2 outs

There’s so many unwritten rules in the game…I think you buzz that first pitch of the game behind Acuna’s ear tonight. If wheeler gets tossed so be it, its 28 May not late August/early Sept.

2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

I'll always respect what he accomplished, but I can't look back at his time with the team with the same reverence as, say, Cunningham or Dawkins or several other Eagles.

Perception is a funny thing. As frustrated as I used to get with McNabb's worm burners and his inability to make big plays in the biggest games, I remember him more fondly than Cunningham ... by A LOT. Cunningham was a different level of frustration; never bothered to learn the playbook and it was apparent while watching him. Great athlete but had no idea how to operate the offense properly -- and the talent around him was pretty good with Byars, Keith Jackson, and Fred Barnett and Calvin Williams were both better than what McNabb had at WR. I firmly believe the Eagles would have won at least one Super Bowl with better QB play.

I hate to be petty, but I am what I am. I was overjoyed when Atlanta beat his 1998 Vikings team to get to the Super Bowl. People conveniently forget the Falcons were 14-2 that season and they pretend that was some huge upset when the Vikings lost.

9 hours ago, devpool said:

People downplay McNabb's contributions because we didn't win a super bowl with him, but he was a huge reason this team was good.

Hurts wins another SB and I'd say he passes McNabb. IMO, he is currently akin to Eli, middling regular season performances but has turned it on on the postseason when it counts. Also helps he has possibly the greatest Eagles team ever assembled while McNabb had pinkston and thrash for the prime of his career.

McNabb was one cheating Patriots team away from giving us a super bowl

What an obnoxious comparison to say Eli Manning. Eli only made the playoffs 6 times while being their starting QB for 14 seasons. He never won more 12 games in a single season and only won 12 games in one season. Only won the NFC East 3 times in his career. Plus the biggest thing is Eli was a turnover machine his entire career. Outside of one outlier season in 2023 one of the strong points of Hurts game has been he is smart with taking care of the football.

A better comparison for Jalen's early career is Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

There’s so many unwritten rules in the game…I think you buzz that first pitch of the game behind Acuna’s ear tonight. If wheeler gets tossed so be it, its 28 May not late August/early Sept.

Players policing other players has a long history. Pitchers are supposed to have their teammates' backs. Its pathetic that we have reached the 3rd HBP on Harper in such a short span and there's still been no answer. Bob Gibson would never allow that.