The potential of 3 3rd round and 3 4th round picks is ridiculous. Even if they aren't used for players, that's serious ammo to move up in the draft. If there's a player the Eagles fall in love with, I don't think it matters where they are in the 1st round, the Ealges can move up to get him.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have to imagine the conditions are something absurd like Huff has to make all pro and 49ers reach the Super Bowl

70 percent of the snaps and 10 sacks. Like whatever Reddick’s was.

10 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Wonder if Huff has one final F you in him and fails the physical….

So he would be forced to stay on a team he doesn't want to be on instead of being reunited with the coach who got the most out of him?

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

70 percent of the snaps and 10 sacks. Like whatever Reddick’s was.

Huff at 70% is probably just as unrealistic as making all-pro

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

70 percent of the snaps and 10 sacks. Like whatever Reddick’s was.

I would expect 70% is a bit high given the way DCs rotate Edge players.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Huff at 70% is probably just as unrealistic as making all-pro

He could easily be the starter opposite Bosa, but 70% is a very high hurdle.

I'll say 40% of the snaps and 8.5 sacks to get a 4th.

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

He could easily be the starter opposite Bosa, but 70% is a very high hurdle.

Jets flirted one year with 51% snaps then put him back to 20% and 42%. I don’t know how much was situational but I have a hard time seeing them using him as a full time starter.

3 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It is relative to his draft status. We paid like 5 1st and 2nd round picks to get him.

We did not get close to the expected return for such an investment, aside from butterfly effect stuff that got Foles and Hurts rings.

Carson was like 5 premium draft picks all busting at the exact same time

DeVonta Smith, A.J. Brown, Kyron Johnson, Jalen Carter, Cooper DeJean, Jalyx Hunt, Jeremiah Trotter Jr, 2025 fourth-round pick, 2025 fifth-round pick.

Hunt keeps going and that’s 5 premium players in return for him. He was a huge part of our first SB run. Who hurt you lol

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

You are overthinking this. Look at these 4-year numbers and tell me that that player was a miss.

That looks good…but there’s much more to the story. There’s a big reason a bunch of people were calling for Hurts head up till week 7. Same applies to Wentz. He was pretty darn good here considering outside of the SB year he was working with chewed gum & dollar store duct tape.

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Howie has so much ammo in the next draft. Gonna be fun.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Huff at 70% is probably just as unrealistic as making all-pro

Yep. Exactly.

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

I'll say 40% of the snaps and 8.5 sacks to get a 4th.

I would like that.

2 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

That looks good…but there’s much more to the story. There’s a big reason a bunch of people were calling for Hurts head up till week 7. Same applies to Wentz. He was pretty darn good here considering outside of the SB year he was working with chewed gum & dollar store duct tape.

I agree there is much more to the Wentz story, but almost all of that "more” is post-injury.

Bottom-line a "miss” simply can’t have a first four years looks those four.

5 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It is relative to his draft status. We paid like 5 1st and 2nd round picks to get him.

We did not get close to the expected return for such an investment, aside from butterfly effect stuff that got Foles and Hurts rings.

Carson was like 5 premium draft picks all busting at the exact same time

I respectfully disagree. Can you point to any other QBs who had a first four years better than Wentz did?

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree there is much more to the Wentz story, but almost all of that "more” is post-injury.

Bottom-line a "miss” simply can’t have a first four years looks those four.

They signed him after the 2018 season, so after the 1st 3 years of his career and 2 major injuries. For that extension, they got one good year in 2019, a debacle in 2020 and then he was gone and never relevant again. So yes - the extension was a miss. You can’t look at the stats before the extension to call it a good deal.

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I respectfully disagree. Can you point to any other QBs who had a first four years better than Wentz did?

You seriously think no QB had a better 1st 4 seasons in his career than Wentz, in the history of the game? Are you serious?

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

They signed him after the 2018 season, so after the 1st 3 years of his career and 2 major injuries. For that extension, they got one good year in 2019, a debacle in 2020 and then he was gone and never relevant again. So yes - the extension was a miss. You can’t look at the stats before the extension to call it a good deal.

If you are grading ONLY the extension then I agree he is a miss in that limited context. But even there the value we received from Wentz was far from a miss, but it wasn’t value on the field.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

You seriously think no QB had a better 1st 4 seasons in his career than Wentz, in the history of the game? Are you serious?

I didn’t say there weren’t any. I said I didn’t know of any. Do you know of any?

Here is what AI came up with

AI Overview

It's difficult to definitively name one "best" first four years for a rookie quarterback due to the varying criteria and the subjective nature of evaluation. However, some quarterbacks stand out for their impressive rookie seasons and strong subsequent development.

Here's a look at some top candidates and the factors that make their rookie years and early careers impressive:

Strong Rookie Seasons:

Russell Wilson (2012):

While not a top-10 overall pick, Wilson exceeded expectations as a third-round pick, becoming the Seahawks starter and leading them to an 11-5 record. He threw for 26 touchdowns and rushed for 489 yards with four touchdowns.

Ben Roethlisberger (2004):

Roethlisberger's rookie season was a standout, leading the Steelers to the AFC Championship game and setting the stage for his future Super Bowl victory.

Dak Prescott (2016):

Prescott had an impressive rookie season, leading the Cowboys to an 11-5 record and a division title.

Justin Herbert (2020):

Herbert showed incredible potential in his rookie year with the Chargers, throwing for 4,369 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions.

C.J. Stroud (2023):

Stroud's first season as a Texans starter was also remarkable, earning praise for his strong performance.

36 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Here is what AI came up with

AI Overview

It's difficult to definitively name one "best" first four years for a rookie quarterback due to the varying criteria and the subjective nature of evaluation. However, some quarterbacks stand out for their impressive rookie seasons and strong subsequent development.

Here's a look at some top candidates and the factors that make their rookie years and early careers impressive:

Strong Rookie Seasons:

Russell Wilson (2012):

While not a top-10 overall pick, Wilson exceeded expectations as a third-round pick, becoming the Seahawks starter and leading them to an 11-5 record. He threw for 26 touchdowns and rushed for 489 yards with four touchdowns.

Ben Roethlisberger (2004):

Roethlisberger's rookie season was a standout, leading the Steelers to the AFC Championship game and setting the stage for his future Super Bowl victory.

Dak Prescott (2016):

Prescott had an impressive rookie season, leading the Cowboys to an 11-5 record and a division title.

Justin Herbert (2020):

Herbert showed incredible potential in his rookie year with the Chargers, throwing for 4,369 yards, 31 touchdowns, and 13 interceptions.

C.J. Stroud (2023):

Stroud's first season as a Texans starter was also remarkable, earning praise for his strong performance.

AI did an artificial analysis and really left out Mahomes. Even if you penalize him for waiting a year behind Alex Smith, the next three years vaults him to the top of that generated list.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

him

Just now, Alphagrand said:

AI did an artificial analysis and really left out Mahomes. Even if you penalize him for waiting a year behind Alex Smith, the next three years vaults him to the top of that generated list.

I agree.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have to imagine the conditions are something absurd like Huff has to make all pro and 49ers reach the Super Bowl

And you KNOW it’s going to be the lesser of two 4ths since they are getting a comp pick for Banks

Hurts, Shady and TO without hesitation. Vick, Westbrook and AJ the clear secondary choice as well.