11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I found it interesting that they didn’t show any sort of pre-pick behind the scenes footage with the Mukuba selection. Maybe there’s something to the Eagles getting sniped or just not being able to trade up for someone who fell. Howie said they had opportunities to trade down from 64 but decided against it. I would have liked to have seen some of that, particularly if they were more resolute about sticking to pick Mukuba. Maybe it was boring footage.

As for the rest, I really liked the behind the scenes discussion about day 3 players who have starting upside. Like others said, it was interesting who was notably absent from the footage — McWilliams and Williams. It was likely because there were some negatives mentioned during the talk that were too clunky to edit out. I’m sure Williams in particular did based on the tone of Howie’s call to him when he was picked.

Oh, and Howie was nuts to offer 32/64 for Campbell. The Chargers were even more nuts.

I may have to watch again, but it sounded like the Chargers asked for 32 and 64, I couldn't tell if Howie offered it. They kinda cut ahead before there was any clarification. It's unclear if Howie accepted or declined or how and why it didn't get done. It was reported during the draft they had a deal worked out but it fell apart.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i think he’s a better prospect than what vaitai was. Stoutland was able to get Vaitai to be a solid backup for us and eventually competent as a starter. Maybe williams never becomes anything but i think just as a prospect he’s better than vaitai and if he’s willing to learn that stoutland could have more success with him

I'm with you 100%. Williams might never even become an NFL backup but it is not hyperbole at all to think he could develop slowly over the next two years in Stoutland U to replace Lane at RT or slide into RG in a year or two. Dude has next level traits and was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder by most people and a lot of people thought with some improvement coming back to Texas he could have been a first or second round pick.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I may have to watch again, but it sounded like the Chargers asked for 32 and 64, I couldn't tell if Howie offered it. They kinda cut ahead before there was any clarification. It's unclear if Howie accepted or declined or how and why it didn't get done. It was reported during the draft they had a deal worked out but it fell apart.

It could have been 32 and 64 and getting a 3 back. We don’t know. We also don’t 100% know it was Campbell they were trying to trade up for though I do think it was

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Well he either meant that or 6 guys who were "their guys" but then I thought if he didn't mean first round grades, then it would be very un-Howie-like to stand pat at 32. Howie is all about value. And if all their first round graded guys were gone, Howie would 100% try to trade down. So then what would "Guys we like at 32" tangibly mean if not first round grades? Just thinking out loud.

I meant to respond to the last part more thoroughly but forgot…

Working through scenarios…

• Campbell was by the far the highest remaining player left in their board. Maybe they had a few more first-round grades left as well. Seems like maybe Hairston could have been one. Perhaps Starks.

• Howie was big game hunting for Campbell. I don’t know if he would have still traded up if Campbell went. I tend to doubt it based on the comment about having six guys. That would lead me to think that at 32 they had some "high second round grades” left in that group of six. Maybe there were five in that tier and then there was Campbell being the outlier as a top 10 player overall. If he was sniped, they would have been content to select from that tier of high second round grades, because in other years if they only have, say, 18 round 1 grades, those high second rounders are typically gone by 32 as well.

Just my own thinking out loud.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

It could have been 32 and 64 and getting a 3 back. We don’t know. We also don’t 100% know it was Campbell they were trying to trade up for though I do think it was

I feel like we can say with 100 percent certainty it was Campbell.

I forget at what point in the draft he mentioned the six guys. He didn’t mean six guys off the board until they pick did he? Like he mentioned it at pick 25 or 26?

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forget at what point in the draft he mentioned the six guys. He didn’t mean six guys off the board until they pick did he? Like he mentioned it at pick 25 or 26?

Whenever they were six picks away, so 27. Which means no Pearce since he went 26.

If teams wanted to prevent Howie from trading up for a talent like Campbell, and then Campbell fell to us anyway they must really be pissed. And, in the future, maybe it motivates them to accept our picks when they are offering. If we are going to get our targets, may as well take away some more of our ammo.

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm so glad he didn't move up for that. We agree that teams seemed wary to deal with Howie this year. Not just in that round but through the draft. They had no problems trading when they wanted to move up, but not when Howie did.

Meh, teams were focused mostly on getting their guy. Some even flatly told Howie who they were picking. When Atlanta traded up and what they paid, made it obvious what the asking prices were and Howie was not going there.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forget at what point in the draft he mentioned the six guys. He didn’t mean six guys off the board until they pick did he? Like he mentioned it at pick 25 or 26?

It was 6 picks left before their turn.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forget at what point in the draft he mentioned the six guys. He didn’t mean six guys off the board until they pick did he? Like he mentioned it at pick 24?

at the 5:35 mark. He said "We got 6 guys, so we're good"

I took that as meaning they'll have one of their top guys available for sure at 32 no matter what even if Campbell is gone.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

at the 5:35 mark

thanks. I need to rewatch that exchange.

10 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I'm with you 100%. Williams might never even become an NFL backup but it is not hyperbole at all to think he could develop slowly over the next two years in Stoutland U to replace Lane at RT or slide into RG in a year or two. Dude has next level traits and was considered a 3rd or 4th rounder by most people and a lot of people thought with some improvement coming back to Texas he could have been a first or second round pick.

Before the ASU game i believe espn had him at 28th best prospect. Frankly he should’ve went back. He’d have gotten way more NIL than what he’s going to get as a rookie (maybe even most of his rookie contract). I think he needs time. But I’d be surprised if we gave stoutland two years if he’s not able to just be a competent backup. I tend to think his size and traits could make him an eventual starter if learns and applies. But like manu post reported he might look better after surgery and be a bigger coup.

Also off topic of Williams but ewers should’ve also went back to school. I read somewhere he’s getting 800k this year but if he went back to college teams were offering like 8 mil. I’m surprised he didn’t go back to school. Ball park number $8 mil is ridiculous money and ewers was never going high enough to get $8 mil for one season.

lol, after rewatching the exchange, I wonder if we’re reading too far into it and it’s just a matter of "ok, there are only five more chances for Campbell to go in front of us at 32, we’re in good shape.”

Weird that he’s nearly the cheapest. DT really that undervalued?

We truly are in new times for the Eagles to be that fired up about a linebacker. I mean, in past years, they wouldn't take a LB in round 1 even if he was the best player on their board. They'd trade down and take a premium position later. To not only be this fired up, but try to trade up shows how much their values have changed.

Cameron Williams is the most "it's the late 6th, eff it" pick we've made in a long-time. No one is hyped about it from the team-side.

41 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Weird that he’s nearly the cheapest. DT really that undervalued?

There are tiers and he’s in the lowest tier based on snap count and Pro Bowls

Interesting that on day 3 they didn't show a clip of anyone advocating for Mac McWilliams, but that seemed one of the ones Howie was most hyped about. They seemed a little subdued about the Mukuba pick. But I do think they really liked him. They definitely tried to trade up for someone though. Really wish I knew who it was.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

lol, after rewatching the exchange, I wonder if we’re reading too far into it and it’s just a matter of "ok, there are only five more chances for Campbell to go in front of us at 32, we’re in good shape.”

That's what it was.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Weird that he’s nearly the cheapest. DT really that undervalued?

No, that nefarious Roseman schemed with Nick to limit Davis’ snaps so as to minimize his fifth year option cost.

36 minutes ago, RLC said:

Cameron Williams is the most "it's the late 6th, eff it" pick we've made in a long-time. No one is hyped about it from the team-side.

Williams is extremely green, young and has a few bad tendencies (waste bending on occasion and dropping his arms) that resurface at times. As clay he is intriguing. He has to forget a lot of his bad muscle habits and commit to learning at Stout U. But as clay, they want to have PS as an option. I don’t think they will talk up Williams or Pierce much because they want to have that option. I think Hinton is the Fred Johnson replacement competition with Kinnard (and Lamm).

My friend who is a huge UT fan had this to say about Williams and Mukuba. He goes to every game and follows them extremely closely:

Cam is incredibly athletic and has SIZE which cannot be taught. He needed another year in college to fine tune his craft and pass blocking. He got hurt at end of last year and if he is fully healthy then he can develop. Cam has not met anyone he could not move off the line of scrimmage when needed.

Mukuba is just a ball hawk and even though he is smaller than the prototypical safety he can tackle. Eagles will not regret drafting Mukuba.

9 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

My friend is a huge UT fan had this to say about Williams and Mukuba. He goes to every game and follows them extremely closely:

Cam is incredibly athletic and has SIZE which cannot be taught. He needed another year in college to fine tune his craft and pass blocking. He got hurt at end of last year and if he is fully healthy then he can develop. Cam has not met anyone he could not move off the line of scrimmage when needed.

Mukuba is just a ball hawk and even though he is smaller than the prototypical safety he can tackle. Eagles will not regret drafting Mukuba.

Williams sounds like a perfect candidate to move to RG.

5 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Williams sounds like a perfect candidate to move to RG.

When I watch his highlights he reminds me alot of Becton. He shows good movement and ability to find defenders on the second level. When he locks onto defenders they don't get away. Alot of highlights end with the defender on the ground or being driven back 8 yards. I think he would be good starting out at RG and cross training down the line for RT.