7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Nice hearing from Ringo, never saw an interview with him before, and Adoree Jackson in addition to Nolan Smith and Trot Jr.

I'm really excited to see this defense. The speed they have on every level is ridiculous. I love it.

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That’s sophistry; Tiny pieces of the Wentz trade became most of that. We didn’t get those players outright for Carson. Yes we recouped a lot of what we used to move up, but there were also lost years from 2018-2020 he was responsible for

Sure…

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm really excited to see this defense. The speed they have on every level is ridiculous. I love it.

You nailed it. Speed at every level and players closing on the ball. This is easily the fastest defense we’ve ever had.

In 2023 as a Jet under Saleh, Huff got 460 snaps out of 1,087 … a bit more than 40%

55 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

That's what makes what Jalen is doing right now in OTAs all the more impressive.

We talkin about OTAs? We talkin about OTAs?

20 minutes ago, just relax said:

You nailed it. Speed at every level and players closing on the ball. This is easily the fastest defense we’ve ever had.

Youngest too.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I'll put the tinfoil hat on and say Wentz would be great if he didn't get his knee destroyed, his backup win the SB, and then get his brains scrambled to the floor

Based on the way he handled Foles winning and us drafting Hurts, if it wasn’t those things then it would have eventually just been something else

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm really excited to see this defense. The speed they have on every level is ridiculous. I love it.

I’d still like us to trade for some DE depth

It’s Nolan, Jalyx, and…. sometimes Jihaad? Ojularee, Uchee…

One quality rotation guy or fringe starter for a fifth would be really nice

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

He's gotta be trolling at this point no? He realizes he's comparing the best QB in NFL history to Hurts in OTAs right?

He's ALWAYS been a troll. Nothing new here.

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That’s sophistry; Tiny pieces of the Wentz trade became most of that. We didn’t get those players outright for Carson. Yes we recouped a lot of what we used to move up, but there were also lost years from 2018-2020 he was responsible for

Nope. You grossly exaggerated the trade compensation and ignored that they didn't even have a season after that without holding a first round pick going into draft weekend.

They gave up the 2016 #8 pick, their 2017 1st round pick, and their 2018 2nd round pick, as well as the 2016 3rd and 4th to select Wentz.

They recouped the 2017 1st round pick when they traded away Bradford... which they could only do because they had Wentz. That cancels that pick out.

The dearth of picks in 2018-2020 were due to Howie trading for veterans all over the place.

2018 3rd round pick was traded for Ronald Darby.
2018 4th round pick was traded for Jay Ajayi.

2019 3rd round pick was traded for Golden Tate.
2020 3rd round pick (and 5th round pick) for Darius Slay.

This doesn't include trades for Desean Jackson, Michael Bennett, Jordan Howard and Hassan Ridgeway.

5 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

It just says in their prime. Vick in his prime throwing to Brown in his prime would be awesome to see

I would take Hurts with throwing slants to TO.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I would take Hurts with throwing slants to TO.

Vick had the best arm I’ve ever seen. All time best. Second best was Namath before his knees were destroyed.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They are on the hook for $8M that’s guaranteed. 49ers would be stupid if that was the condition.

Jumping from 73 to 42 (Reddick trade) is about is 255 points on the "value chart." Going from 138 (late rd 4 comp pick) to about 165 ( a late rd 5 pick) is about 13 points. 13 points is about the value of a mid rd 6 pick, while 255 points is the value of an early rd 3 pick.

I understand what you are saying but 13 value points is not risking much. I don't believe the condition will be something hard to reach. The condition in the Reddick trade had a lot more at stake.

12 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I think a WR move comes next off season. The only move on offense I see as a possibility before TC would be for RG. On defense, DE, CB, S are all possible

A TE still makes sense

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’d still like us to trade for some DE depth

It’s Nolan, Jalyx, and…. sometimes Jihaad? Ojularee, Uchee…

One quality rotation guy or fringe starter for a fifth would be really nice

I'd love to see a move for Nick Bonito

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Based on the way he handled Foles winning and us drafting Hurts, if it wasn’t those things then it would have eventually just been something else

The Wentz discussion will go on until we're all dead and gone. I don't see either side of the argument caving. I'm a Wentz guy. I thought he was special. His 2017 was must see football on the level of Mike Vick. You tuned in to watch Carson Wentz magic.

I don't see anything wrong with the way he handled Foles winning. There were times he looked upset during and after the game and rightfully so. That was HIS team and he had to watch Foles win. Everything he trained for, studied for and dreamed of was now being realized by someone else. I see no reason why you can't feel down about that but at the same time be happy for your teammates winning. There he was showing the NFL that he was the best young QB in the game, the MVP of that season and then it's gone. He then admitted that he wished it was him and not Nick Foles who won the SB. Yea, I bet he did wish that.

He busts his butt to recover from the ACL only to break his back and then get speared in to concussion land and never the same after that and they draft Hurts. We all could see Carson was done, but still, seeing your replacement get drafted when the team is still yours...that's gotta sting.

I think he handled things fine, but I won't argue with those who think he didn't. We're all wired different. Malcolm Jenkins and Chris Long did a good job a few years back discussing Wentz and the adversity he went through. Guy was put through the ringer and tested to the limits.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope. You grossly exaggerated the trade compensation and ignored that they didn't even have a season after that without holding a first round pick going into draft weekend.

They gave up the 2016 #8 pick, their 2017 1st round pick, and their 2018 2nd round pick, as well as the 2016 3rd and 4th to select Wentz.

They recouped the 2017 1st round pick when they traded away Bradford... which they could only do because they had Wentz. That cancels that pick out.

The dearth of picks in 2018-2020 were due to Howie trading for veterans all over the place.

2018 3rd round pick was traded for Ronald Darby.
2018 4th round pick was traded for Jay Ajayi.

2019 3rd round pick was traded for Golden Tate.
2020 3rd round pick (and 5th round pick) for Darius Slay.

This doesn't include trades for Desean Jackson, Michael Bennett, Jordan Howard and Hassan Ridgeway.

Carson didn’t give us that Bradford first. If it wasn’t Carson, it was Goff. If it wasn’t Goff, maybe it was Prescott. What we got out of the 2nd overall pick was disappointing regardless of where we ended up afterward.

At the time the trade was made for 2nd overall, if I told you what we’d get out of Carson and there was no butterfly effect; 2017, 2022, 2024 SB runs stay the same, and we have an identical team going into 2025… with that information, NOBODY would have taken Carson 2nd overall. It was a failed pick that Howie did a masterful job getting out of

53 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Jumping from 73 to 42 (Reddick trade) is about is 255 points on the "value chart." Going from 138 (late rd 4 comp pick) to about 165 ( a late rd 5 pick) is about 13 points. 13 points is about the value of a mid rd 6 pick, while 255 points is the value of an early rd 3 pick.

I understand what you are saying but 13 value points is not risking much. I don't believe the condition will be something hard to reach. The condition in the Reddick trade had a lot more at stake.

I think it will be near impossible to reach. Just the fact that it took so long for the conditional pick to leak and the conditions still have not indicate that. Comparing it to the Reddick trade isn’t what I meant when bringing that up. It was more the framing of that trade when Eagles called it a conditional 2nd when in reality it was a conditional 3rd. Howie doesn’t seem to like losing trades in the eyes of the public and does these things to make it seem closer to a win with the hopes everyone eventually forgets. Don’t forget when they traded Reagor they attached a bunch of conditions like yards, touchdowns etc which never came close. It’s smart to include in negotiations to help protect yourself but I think including those conditions is just that, protections but not necessarily believing they hit.

10 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Carson didn’t give us that Bradford first. If it wasn’t Carson, it was Goff. If it wasn’t Goff, maybe it was Prescott. What we got out of the 2nd overall pick was disappointing regardless of where we ended up afterward.

At the time the trade was made for 2nd overall, if I told you what we’d get out of Carson and there was no butterfly effect; 2017, 2022, 2024 SB runs stay the same, and we have an identical team going into 2025… with that information, NOBODY would have taken Carson 2nd overall. It was a failed pick that Howie did a masterful job getting out of

You seem to have a personal vendetta against him. Ok. But you oversold what they traded away to get him which was categorically false, oversold the impact of that trade on future drafts, equally false... and now you want to pretend that he had no impact on the 2017 season?

I don't get why you have to make the case against him worse than the reality. I can tell you this... no one questioned the move during the 2017 season, nor the 2018 season. In the 2019 season some rumblings came out and he still put up a historic statistical season. And it all came crashing down in 2020. But you don't have to rewrite the history.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You seem to have a personal vendetta against him. Ok. But you oversold what they traded away to get him which was categorically false, oversold the impact of that trade on future drafts, equally false... and now you want to pretend that he had no impact on the 2017 season?

I don't get why you have to make the case against him worse than the reality. I can tell you this... no one questioned the move during the 2017 season, nor the 2018 season. In the 2019 season some rumblings came out and he still put up a historic statistical season. And it all came crashing down in 2020. But you don't have to rewrite the history.

I’m not pretending he had no impact. That wasn’t enough return on the 2nd overall pick. You don’t take players that high in the draft for "but remember that one year where he was strong for 3/4 of the season”

No, no one questioned the move in 2017 because we didn’t know it was going to end by 2019. Just like we didn’t know what Shawn Andrews would become, what what Leonard Weaver would become, what Alshon would become. But we know that now.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

He's gotta be trolling at this point no? He realizes he's comparing the best QB in NFL history to Hurts in OTAs right?

Stick around for the same night he suggested the Sixers could trade pick #3 for Jalen Brunson.

I thought he was just trolling for years but I’m starting to think his brain rotted so much for content and clout he actually believes this stuff.

What’s up with this Myrtetus guy? Is he the Flyers version of Spadaro?

I still can’t get interested enough to watch Edmonton vs Florida, even though I want to see Bob go back-to-back as a champion and book his HOF ticket. I am paying somewhat close attention to the draft, however, and I’ve been watching the various Flyers related podcasts on YouTube. With 7 selections in the first 48 picks I feel like I’ll get a good idea if Brière and Jones will get the franchise moving in the right direction or not. Naturally, me being me, I’ve made some pointed comments on what I think the Flyers should do and how I think the roster should be constructed.

It’s kind of funny a few of these hosts have read out and discussed some of my comments during subsequent pods and mentioned my screen name. Even if they disagree with my position, they’ve been respectful and analytical. I was watching Myrtetus’ episode today and he called someone out by name and called their comment "silly”. All the person wrote was the Flyers will get to the 2nd round next season. Rather than query what their reasoning was, he made a comment to the effect — if it happens, this person will just crow about how they were right.

It seems a strange thing to do if you’re trying to grow your podcast and encourage dialogue, as all these YouTube content creators want.

6 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

A TE still makes sense

It makes sense as long as it is a TE in the Goedert mold … able to inline block as well as be a plus receiver. Those are hard to come by.

7 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’m not pretending he had no impact. That wasn’t enough return on the 2nd overall pick. You don’t take players that high in the draft for "but remember that one year where he was strong for 3/4 of the season”

No, no one questioned the move in 2017 because we didn’t know it was going to end by 2019. Just like we didn’t know what Shawn Andrews would become, what what Leonard Weaver would become, what Alshon would become. But we know that now.

All true, but why did you oversell how much they paid to get him and how long that impact extended? The truth is sad enough, no need to try to blame that move for other failures. The cost, frankly, wasn't all that high considering the move they made. And, I will contend that the 2017 Super Bowl doesn't happen without him, so for me... that justifies the cost. Pretty much everyone here would have traded just about anything to get that first championship in our lifetime. He was a major part of that and for that, I will remain forever grateful. But trading 2 first round picks, a second round pick and a 3rd and 4th is well worth it to get the first ever Lombardi, imo. The future draft capital issues were due to Howie's mismanagement in trying to run it back and making some bad trades, not a residual from the Wentz trade. And then he also got more draft capital back when he cut bait. All in all, not nearly the albatross you are portraying it as. Had it been, then the team couldn't have rebounded like they have so soon afterward.

7 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Stick around for the same night he suggested the Sixers could trade pick #3 for Jalen Brunson.

I thought he was just trolling for years but I’m starting to think his brain rotted so much for content and clout he actually believes this stuff.

In other words, he started as a troll, and the trolling has taken its toll on him, and turned him into a real troll that doesn't realize he's trolling anymore? Maybe. That would explain why he can't have a take that isn't absurd.