1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Johnny Wilson!

close he does have a last name starting with W

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Any "Sport" that relies on a subjective score rather than an objective one, isn't really a sport. It's a subjective competition.

Do kickers get more than 3 points when they kick a Fg in high cross winds or directly into the wind? Or if the kick is from 50+ yards?

Is a home run worth more when you hit it to the opposite field?

Is an 80 yard Td run worth more than a 1 yard TD run, or are they both worth 6?

What you seem to be saying is that if you do any vault, any dive, any jump, any pirouette, and stick the landing you get a perfect score. Degree of difficulty doesn’t enter into it. That, or it’s not a sport at all.

Riiight.

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.

You are falling for recency bias.

Curry has a very high shooting percentage, but that alone doesn't mean he's the best shooter of all time. Curry's game is centered around shooting from extreme distance. Frankly, that bores me. When I played, the goal was to get the ball closer to the basketball to get easier shots, and there was no reward for not trying to get the ball closer and getting an easier shot.. the 3 point shot had been one of the worst things to happen to basketball since its inception.

Tom Brady had a lot of protections that QBs from previous generations never had. You couldn't hit him in the head, hit him below the waist, land with your weight on top of him, say mean words, or call him names. Meanwhile, he was throwing to relievers that were allowed to run free through the secondary without being touched without massive penalties as well.

And I couldn't care less about gymnastics or tennis, so I can't speak to that, other than to say that with tennis, the equipment has gotten so much better that I don't think its fair to compare to previous generations. But the mens game is basically all about serving at extreme speeds, and most of the rest of the game has fallen by the wayside. And why can they serve so fast? Mostly because of the advances in the rackets.

And you didn't bring it up, so I will... I'm not as impressed with the new baseball stuff either. They have new rules in place to try to make small ball a part of the game again, but that's become all about home runs and strikeouts. Pitchers throw harder than ever, but I'd say that the vast majority of them have lost the ability to actually "pitch", they just mostly "throw".

I miss the days of baseball being about skills other than mashing the ball as hard as you can or throwing it as hard as you can. The game has lost a lot of entertainment value in that.

What I see in today's sports is that analytics have homogenized it so that there are no longer multiple strands of styles of play. Everyone plays the game the same way, with limited space for individual variations. Basketball is 3s and dunks. Baseball is home runs and strikeouts. And the universal DH still makes me sick. 9 men play the field, the same 9 men bat.

This overspecialization is disgusting. That's not as interesting to me. And fans have shown that they want more. Ohtani stands alone in baseball because ehs shown himself to be good at many things. Home runs, stolen bases, and pitching. But even his 50-50 season loses its luster, because it happened while he had the advantages of the new throw over rule, and while primarily playing as a DH. The fact that he doesn’t suffer from the fatigue of having to play the field gives him an unfair advantage over previous generations.

In other words, all the rule changes, equipment changes, etc. make identifying a "GOAT" impossible.

Curry is the best shooter, ever. To say otherwise is just stupid and you are arguing just to argue. Truly stupid take.

His 3 mins down the stretch vs France in the Olympics is one of one. Watch two of the greats to play it react to that shot in, KD and LeBron.

He is the best shooter to ever play the game of basketball. Is zero dispute

7 minutes ago, DieselEagle said:

close he does have a last name starting with W

Rats! And here I was going to guess Jack Stoll.

Calvin Williams

1 hour ago, just relax said:

What you seem to be saying is that if you do any vault, any dive, any jump, any pirouette, and stick the landing you get a perfect score. Degree of difficulty doesn’t enter into it. That, or it’s not a sport at all.

Riiight.

That's it not a sport. Do it, enjoy it. Call it a competition. It's not objective. It's subjective.

Sport to me includes:

athleticism

offense

defense

objective scoring

and some sort of 'ball'

Golf, swimming, most track and field, cheerleading, gymnastics, NASCAR, diving and many others don't qualify. Many have many elements I laid out, but only if you have all 5 are they 'sports'. The rest are competitions, or whatever other name you want to give to it. Just my opinion.

1 hour ago, DieselEagle said:

close he does have a last name starting with W

1990 rookie year.

Gizmo Williams sucked.

The two teams that finished in fifth place the previous year would play each other twice.

9 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The two teams that finished in fifth place the previous year would play each other twice.

So there’s the answer. How many times was that the Eagles?

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Gizmo Williams sucked.

First Football game I ever saw was an eagles pre season game where Gizmo caught a TD and then did a back flip.

I was hooked, I knew nothing about the eagles but when Tecmo Super Bowl came out in 1991I played with the Eagles with (Calvin Williams) and started watching games fell in love with Randall cunningham and boom been an eagles fan ever since.

So though Gizmo did indeed suck I probably wouldnt be an eagles fan if he couldnt do a backflip😁

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's it not a sport. Do it, enjoy it. Call it a competition. It's not objective. It's subjective.

Sport to me includes:

athleticism

offense

defense

objective scoring

and some sort of 'ball'

Golf, swimming, most track and field, cheerleading, gymnastics, NASCAR, diving and many others don't qualify. Many have many elements I laid out, but only if you have all 5 are they 'sports'. The rest are competitions, or whatever other name you want to give to it. Just my opinion.

1990 rookie year.

Kinda limiting. You’re missing a lot of great stuff.

54 minutes ago, just relax said:

Kinda limiting. You’re missing a lot of great stuff.

Not qualifying something as a sport doesn't mean I don't watch it. At the same time, I choose not to watch some things that qualify as a sport.

For example, I measure the throws for the high school track meets at my school (not a sport). But, I won't be caught dead watching soccer (is a sport).

Never gets old!

Opening Tip in 45 minutes.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Opening Tip in 45 minutes.

Did the Sixers get tickets for Embiid so he can see people who play like they give a damn?

2 hours ago, just relax said:

Kinda limiting. You’re missing a lot of great stuff.

Doesn't mean he doesn't watch, play, enjoy.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

He made basketball woth watching.

From NFL.com. Clickbait, but noteworthy clickbait.

Never gets old …

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

Fair enough. I like both. I don’t think it cheapens anything. She literally has pushed the envelope of the sport more than anyone in my memory.

Not to take away from her phenomenal accomplishments, but the changes to scoring really make comparing impossible. Olga and Nadia are def in that tier. The name escapes me but there was that Ukrainian that competed in the Olympics into her 40’s…which is ridiculous for a gymnast.