1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

The vast majority of participants in team sports rely on the overall quality of the team for success. Sometimes a truly generational player is able to elevate the overall team, but in general success is a by product of great talent, coaching etc.

Hurts has done very, very well and worked hard at improving his game, but without a generational talent in Barkley, 2 greats WRs, great OL, etc. how can we truly assess his play over on a great team? Is it a byproduct of the system? As such, spending a 2nd round pick and him going to the SB twice is a great investment and a big win, but a contrarian could suggest that some success is the system working as intended, so getting an accurate read is tricky. Lest we forget how good Tanner McKee looked last season...

McKee looked decent in one meaningless end of year game against one of the worst teams in the league. Hurts has the highest career completion percentage in Superbowl performances in NFL history. I get that he's benefitted from a good roster, but there's "being a contrarian" and then there's "being bizarro RTK"

8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

McKee looked decent in one meaningless end of year game against one of the worst teams in the league. Hurts has the highest career completion percentage in Superbowl performances in NFL history. I get that he's benefitted from a good roster, but there's "being a contrarian" and then there's "being bizarro RTK"

Does he have the highest completion percentage in SB performances in NFL history if he didn't have Brown and Smith?

I think that was his point

On 6/13/2025 at 2:55 PM, HazletonEagle said:

I've always loved Hurts.

Never doubted your talent evaluation.

23 hours ago, RLC said:

Hurts will never get enough credit. He was getting criticized for his DAGGER throw to Smith.

Well it wasn't perfect.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Does he have the highest completion percentage in SB performances in NFL history if he didn't have Brown and Smith?

I think that was his point

I got his point. I just think it's silly to use a meaningless late season performance by McKee against scrubs as evidence that Hurts, who is statistically one of the best QBs in NFL history in Superbowl performances, is just a product of the system.

2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

The vast majority of participants in team sports rely on the overall quality of the team for success. Sometimes a truly generational player is able to elevate the overall team, but in general success is a by product of great talent, coaching etc.

Hurts has done very, very well and worked hard at improving his game, but without a generational talent in Barkley, 2 greats WRs, great OL, etc. how can we truly assess his play over on a great team? Is it a byproduct of the system? As such, spending a 2nd round pick and him going to the SB twice is a great investment and a big win, but a contrarian could suggest that some success is the system working as intended, so getting an accurate read is tricky. Lest we forget how good Tanner McKee looked last season...

I think it's another reminder that teams don't make all information public. A few people pointed out right away when Hurts was drafted it was a signal they were preparing to move on from Wentz. Jordan Love was drafted in the same draft because the Packers were ready to move on from Rodgers; the Packers move got delayed because Rodgers was winning NFL MVP for a couple of seasons -- but his act had worn very thin.

On 6/13/2025 at 7:01 PM, mattwill said:

It is really bad when CBS Sports is fishing for clickbait.

It would make me angry if they sign him.

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Does he have the highest completion percentage in SB performances in NFL history if he didn't have Brown and Smith?

I think that was his point

So all those Stallworth and Swan Superbowls don’t count for Bradshaw, the Kelce and Hill Superbowls don’t count for Mahomes, the Moss Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, the Evans Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, etc. Football is a team game, but that includes the QB playing well and Hurts was stellar in February.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It would make me angry if they sign him.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So all those Stallworth and Swan Superbowls don’t count for Bradshaw, the Kelce and Hill Superbowls don’t count for Mahomes, the Moss Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, the Evans Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, etc. Football is a team game, but that includes the QB playing well and Hurts was stellar in February.

I have bad news for you

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think it's another reminder that teams don't make all information public. A few people pointed out right away when Hurts was drafted it was a signal they were preparing to move on from Wentz. Jordan Love was drafted in the same draft because the Packers were ready to move on from Rodgers; the Packers move got delayed because Rodgers was winning NFL MVP for a couple of seasons -- but his act had worn very thin.

That's Packers MO though. They let the player sit and learn. Not many teams still do that

17 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It would make me angry if they sign him.

More disappointed than angry for me. I trust Fangio's evaluation of DB talent. If they get him I trust that it means they don't fully trust Ringo/Jackson, which given Ringo's measurables age and progression would be a bummer. Alexander is still a good player though, although an oft injured one.

On 6/14/2025 at 11:45 PM, mattwill said:

I would not be at all surprised if the reality of the first four games of the season causes Nick to give the starters some live snaps in the Preseason games. Probably no more than one series, but just enough to get the rust off.

Let's hope so.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Does he have the highest completion percentage in SB performances in NFL history if he didn't have Brown and Smith?

I think that was his point

Well, he beat out Joe Montana who had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Dwight Clark. Gee too bad Montana didn't have the likes of Brown and Smith or would have truly ripped it up in his SB wins.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Well, he beat out Joe Montana who had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, Dwight Clark. Gee too bad Montana didn't have the likes of Brown and Smith or would have truly ripped it up in his SB wins.

Chiefs problem has been their Oline for years now

But I see that struck a nerve. For some reason people hate Mahomes now

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Chiefs problem has been their Oline for years now

But I see that struck a nerve. For some reason people hate Mahomes now

How do you interpret this as hating Mahomes? I was responding to Hurts/completion %/SB.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

How do you interpret this as hating Mahomes? I was responding to Hurts/completion %/SB.

The jab at him in your posts. If not then my mistake and ignore it. It's just too common and I thought that's what it was

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

McKee looked decent in one meaningless end of year game against one of the worst teams in the league. Hurts has the highest career completion percentage in Superbowl performances in NFL history. I get that he's benefitted from a good roster, but there's "being a contrarian" and then there's "being bizarro RTK"

He was, but McKee played with some inferior talent on O too. I'm not intentionally dogging on Hurts, but if you have 2 great WRs, a Saquon and safe system for throws, the QB should be completing the passes at a high percentage and keeping the O moving and lethal. And Hurts did to his absolute credit - he dealt out there in the SB. As a Mahomes or Burrow would have done too.

Does it make him an elite QB? Hard question to answer.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

So all those Stallworth and Swan Superbowls don’t count for Bradshaw, the Kelce and Hill Superbowls don’t count for Mahomes, the Moss Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, the Evans Super Bowl doesn’t count for Brady, etc. Football is a team game, but that includes the QB playing well and Hurts was stellar in February.

I’d argue outside of the GB game (where he was more along for the ride), he was stellar the entire playoffs. Even the GB game I’d argue he was good enough.

On 6/14/2025 at 12:01 AM, mattwill said:

It is really bad when CBS Sports is fishing for clickbait.

I just don't see anyone signing him at $16mill for one year given he's played 34 games total the last 4 years, he'll get a cheap prove it deal with playtime incentives somewhere.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

It would make me angry if they sign him.

I don't really care much, if Fangio wants him, so do I, and if he doesn't want him, nor do I

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The jab at him in your posts. If not then my mistake and ignore it. It's just too common and I thought that's what it was

Nah, Mahomes is amazing.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Does he have the highest completion percentage in SB performances in NFL history if he didn't have Brown and Smith?

I think that was his point

I agree that was his point, but are we dancing on the head of a pin in pursuing that line of discussion, because football has always been been a team sport, and that line of discussion is much more individual rather than team.

JMO

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Well it wasn't PERFECT!

FYP

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree that was his point, but are we dancing on the head of a pin in pursuing that line of discussion, because football has always been been a team sport, and that line of discussion is much more individual rather than team.

JMO

Team sport and yet whenever there's a comparison of Hurts vs Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc. it's including team stats and not personal player stats 🤷‍♂️