3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Team sport and yet whenever there's a comparison of Hurts vs Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc. it's including team stats and not personal player stats 🤷‍♂️

Which gets to the bottom line of "Is there any point in making those comparisons?”

That question is especially pertinent when the players being compared are from different eras.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Which gets to the bottom line of "Is there any point in making those comparisons?”

That question is especially pertinent when the players being compared are from different eras.

Exactly

48 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I just don't see anyone signing him at $16mill for one year given he's played 34 games total the last 4 years, he'll get a cheap prove it deal with playtime incentives somewhere.

That release reeks of an agent plant.

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Team sport and yet whenever there's a comparison of Hurts vs Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc. it's including team stats and not personal player stats 🤷‍♂️

I saw an interview with Spagnuolo in which he spoke of the toughest offenses to defend against. This is an excerpt from the transcript. The interview is available on YouTube, IIRC.

"We just felt like going into the game that we had to somehow not allow them to be two dimensional, because I've been there, you can't defend them. They get the run going, and then [Hurts is] throwing the ball, and he gets out of the pocket. I did think we did a fairly good job of that...But to the credit to the quarterback, the rest of those guys that were playing on offense, they made some key throws, and I thought Jalen did a great job really in critical situations of beating us or getting first downs with his feet. 

"I thought that was really, really challenging, and that's what happens in this league nowadays with these athletic quarterbacks. I mean, you can take away runs, you can cover really well, have them all covered, and when they say 'Hey, I'm gonna get the first down with my feet,' and they're able to do it because your lanes are out of whack or something happens, then it becomes challenging. I give them a lot of credit for what they did."

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Team sport and yet whenever there's a comparison of Hurts vs Burrow, Herbert, Allen, etc. it's including team stats and not personal player stats 🤷‍♂️

What stats in football are individual stats? None of them. Sacks, frequently would not happen but for the other players (coverage, other rushers etc., a failure by a blocker), tackles come closest but frequently don’t factor in how other players factored in, interceptions (both for and against, bobbled, bad throw, bad bounce off a receiver, other players taking away other options etc.). Rushing yards don’t occur but for the blocking, same for receiving yards). But how else does a discussion happen when comparing other players?

5 minutes ago, just relax said:

I saw an interview with Spagnuolo in which he spoke of the toughest offenses to defend against. This is an excerpt from the transcript. The interview is available on YouTube, IIRC.

"We just felt like going into the game that we had to somehow not allow them to be two dimensional, because I've been there, you can't defend them. They get the run going, and then [Hurts is] throwing the ball, and he gets out of the pocket. I did think we did a fairly good job of that...But to the credit to the quarterback, the rest of those guys that were playing on offense, they made some key throws, and I thought Jalen did a great job really in critical situations of beating us or getting first downs with his feet. 

"I thought that was really, really challenging, and that's what happens in this league nowadays with these athletic quarterbacks. I mean, you can take away runs, you can cover really well, have them all covered, and when they say 'Hey, I'm gonna get the first down with my feet,' and they're able to do it because your lanes are out of whack or something happens, then it becomes challenging. I give them a lot of credit for what they did."

I've seen it. What's it got to do with the discussion though?

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

What stats in football are individual stats? None of them. Sacks, frequently would not happen but for the other players (coverage, other rushers etc., a failure by a blocker), tackles come closest but frequently don’t factor in how other players factored in, interceptions (both for and against, bobbled, bad throw, bad bounce off a receiver, other players taking away other options etc.). Rushing yards don’t occur but for the blocking, same for receiving yards). But how else does a discussion happen when comparing other players?

Now you're just nitpicking and you know it

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

I saw an interview with Spagnuolo in which he spoke of the toughest offenses to defend against. This is an excerpt from the transcript. The interview is available on YouTube, IIRC.

"We just felt like going into the game that we had to somehow not allow them to be two dimensional, because I've been there, you can't defend them. They get the run going, and then [Hurts is] throwing the ball, and he gets out of the pocket. I did think we did a fairly good job of that...But to the credit to the quarterback, the rest of those guys that were playing on offense, they made some key throws, and I thought Jalen did a great job really in critical situations of beating us or getting first downs with his feet. 

"I thought that was really, really challenging, and that's what happens in this league nowadays with these athletic quarterbacks. I mean, you can take away runs, you can cover really well, have them all covered, and when they say 'Hey, I'm gonna get the first down with my feet,' and they're able to do it because your lanes are out of whack or something happens, then it becomes challenging. I give them a lot of credit for what they did."

Spags could be talking about Mahomes as much as he is talking about Hurts. Both can hurt teams with their legs.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Now you're just nitpicking and you know it

‘Tis nitpicking season in the Blog. What else are we going to talk about? The stalemate of second round signings due to the Texans giving the #34 pick a fully guaranteed contract or the Bengals attempt to rein in the negative impact of rookie guarantees? No thanks.

Since the NFL is on a continuous quest for more revenue, it almost surely will be thinking about expansion of the number of teams as well as expansion of the number of games, and there could easily be four or even eight more.

Looking at the largest television markets list. #4 is Toronto. #12 is Montreal. #22 is Vancouver. #20 is Orlando. #23 is Sacramento. #26 is Portland. #24 is St. Louis. #31 is San Diego. #37 is Salt Lake City. #36 is San Antonio. Lots of TV households to tap into there. Lots of additional revenue. What are everyone’s thoughts about expansion in general, and the possible cities to expand to?

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

‘Tis nitpicking season in the Blog. What else are we going to talk about? The stalemate of second round signings due to the Texans giving the #34 pick a fully guaranteed contract or the Bengals attempt to rein in the negative impact of rookie guarantees? No thanks.

Touche

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Now you're just nitpicking and you know it

What he's doing is no different than the folks who twist themselves into a pretzel to downplay Hurts' accomplishments

2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

What he's doing is no different than the folks who twist themselves into a pretzel to downplay Hurts' accomplishments

True. Though there is the argument about him having a stacked team during those SBs

Does Wilson get credit or does the LoB

WIP is having all of their personalities rank the top 11 athletes in Philly. I was only listening intermittently, so I have no idea why they chose 11. But it's an entertaining exercise. Here are mine...based on an entirely arbitrary and subjective formula combining career achievement, current superstardom, local popularity, actually how good they were in the last season, and where their careers may be headed:

11: Tyrese Maxey

10: Kyle Schwarber

8t: Cooper Dejean

8t: Quinyon Mitchell

7: Bryce Harper

6: AJ Brown

5: Jalen Carter

4: Lane Johnson (career achievement factoring in heavily here).

3: Zach Wheeler

2: Jalen Hurts

1: Saquan Barkley

Snubs: Zach Baun, Jordan Mailata, Sean Brady (MMA fighter, not my sport, but he might be the most noteworthy Philly athlete in a non-team sport like boxing/tennis/mma/golf/etc)

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Since the NFL is on a continuous quest for more revenue, it almost surely will be thinking about expansion of the number of teams as well as expansion of the number of games, and there could easily be four or even eight more.

Looking at the largest television markets list. #4 is Toronto. #12 is Montreal. #22 is Vancouver. #20 is Orlando. #23 is Sacramento. #26 is Portland. #24 is St. Louis. #31 is San Diego. #37 is Salt Lake City. #36 is San Antonio. Lots of TV households to tap into there. Lots of additional revenue. What are everyone’s thoughts about expansion in general, and the possible cities to expand to?

I hate it. Not much precedent for the logistics of a league that goes beyond 32 franchises outside of the european soccer club system, which are just a vastly different animal. There's also more to a market than size. It's obviously some formula of size x appetite. I'd imagine every area you listed except perhaps St. Louis would be a low appetite region for a variety of reasons.

In Toronto and San Antonio, the Bills and Cowboys, respectively, already control some of that market share. The whole Canada/America thing may render some of those fans up for grabs, but there is also more disinterest there. Florida has too many transplants and is so tough to capture interest.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

WIP is having all of their personalities rank the top 11 athletes in Philly. I was only listening intermittently, so I have no idea why they chose 11. But it's an entertaining exercise. Here are mine...based on an entirely arbitrary and subjective formula combining career achievement, current superstardom, local popularity, actually how good they were in the last season, and where their careers may be headed:

11: Tyrese Maxey

10: Kyle Schwarber

8t: Cooper Dejean

8t: Quinyon Mitchell

7: Bryce Harper

6: AJ Brown

5: Jalen Carter

4: Lane Johnson (career achievement factoring in heavily here).

3: Zach Wheeler

2: Jalen Hurts

1: Saquan Barkley

Snubs: Zach Baun, Jordan Mailata, Sean Brady (MMA fighter, not my sport, but he might be the most noteworthy Philly athlete in a non-team sport like boxing/tennis/mma/golf/etc)

Im not making my own so Ill comment on yours.

I think youre underestimating the Harper love and he probably belongs at 4. Maybe even 3?

I dont think Quinyon makes the list. He is so new, and hasnt shown any charisma. He he does his job well. But hes not out in the spotlight bringing any added fanfare. Hes kinda forgettable right now. Until he starts upping his INT numbers or just strings a long steady career like Sheldon Brown, hes going to take a while to earn a spot on any list like this.

Cooper is good and is already more popular than Mitchell. That pretty much happened from day 1. Theres naturally more attention on him because he is a white CB. But he is a little more in the spotlight now since starting the exciting mics podcast too. When you put yourself out there, people find even more ways to relate to you. Its endearing. Mitchell does not have that going for him. Hes quiet and in the background.

Tyrese Maxey is probably ahead of both of those new CBs for now. The 6ers need to become relevant again for him to get higher. Maxey is one of the most wholesome philly athletes there is. Always smiling. Hard worker. Down to earth. Super nice. And really good. He deserves to be higher, but the team is doing him a disservice. But for now, he can at least be at #8 ahead of the two CBs, and really Mitchell can be taken out of the list completely at this point in his young career.

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

WIP is having all of their personalities rank the top 11 athletes in Philly. I was only listening intermittently, so I have no idea why they chose 11. But it's an entertaining exercise. Here are mine...based on an entirely arbitrary and subjective formula combining career achievement, current superstardom, local popularity, actually how good they were in the last season, and where their careers may be headed:

11: Tyrese Maxey

10: Kyle Schwarber

8t: Cooper Dejean

8t: Quinyon Mitchell

7: Bryce Harper

6: AJ Brown

5: Jalen Carter

4: Lane Johnson (career achievement factoring in heavily here).

3: Zach Wheeler

2: Jalen Hurts

1: Saquan Barkley

Snubs: Zach Baun, Jordan Mailata, Sean Brady (MMA fighter, not my sport, but he might be the most noteworthy Philly athlete in a non-team sport like boxing/tennis/mma/golf/etc)

Smitty ?

32 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I hate it. Not much precedent for the logistics of a league that goes beyond 32 franchises outside of the european soccer club system, which are just a vastly different animal. There's also more to a market than size. It's obviously some formula of size x appetite. I'd imagine every area you listed except perhaps St. Louis would be a low appetite region for a variety of reasons.

In Toronto and San Antonio, the Bills and Cowboys, respectively, already control some of that market share. The whole Canada/America thing may render some of those fans up for grabs, but there is also more disinterest there. Florida has too many transplants and is so tough to capture interest.

As attractive as Toronto is from a size perspective, its proximity to Buffalo is a significant impediment, especially since Buffalo is so small compared to the other current NFL cities. Having lived in Dallas for six years and visited San Antonio a lot, San Antonio is a very different city than Dallas, with an identity of its own. Given how poor the Cowboys have been, and the absence of any star Hispanic players on the Cowboys of late, I think San Antonio would be an excellent franchise. With that said, Jerry would fight that tooth and nail.

You may be right about Orlando.

2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I just don't see anyone signing him at $16mill for one year given he's played 34 games total the last 4 years, he'll get a cheap prove it deal with playtime incentives somewhere.

I don't think he's signing for cheap, otherwise, he would still be a Packer who wanted him to take a pay cut. At the same time, I don't see why a team would give him $16M either. I'm guessing he'll be around $8 to $10M with some incentives.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Since the NFL is on a continuous quest for more revenue, it almost surely will be thinking about expansion of the number of teams as well as expansion of the number of games, and there could easily be four or even eight more.

Looking at the largest television markets list. #4 is Toronto. #12 is Montreal. #22 is Vancouver. #20 is Orlando. #23 is Sacramento. #26 is Portland. #24 is St. Louis. #31 is San Diego. #37 is Salt Lake City. #36 is San Antonio. Lots of TV households to tap into there. Lots of additional revenue. What are everyone’s thoughts about expansion in general, and the possible cities to expand to?

Absolutely not.

Have a team move if anything. There isn't enough talent to support 32 teams as is.

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not making my own so Ill comment on yours.

I think youre underestimating the Harper love and he probably belongs at 4. Maybe even 3?

I dont think Quinyon makes the list. He is so new, and hasnt shown any charisma. He he does his job well. But hes not out in the spotlight bringing any added fanfare. Hes kinda forgettable right now. Until he starts upping his INT numbers or just strings a long steady career like Sheldon Brown, hes going to take a while to earn a spot on any list like this.

Cooper is good and is already more popular than Mitchell. That pretty much happened from day 1. Theres naturally more attention on him because he is a white CB. But he is a little more in the spotlight now since starting the exciting mics podcast too. When you put yourself out there, people find even more ways to relate to you. Its endearing. Mitchell does not have that going for him. Hes quiet and in the background.

Tyrese Maxey is probably ahead of both of those new CBs for now. The 6ers need to become relevant again for him to get higher. Maxey is one of the most wholesome philly athletes there is. Always smiling. Hard worker. Down to earth. Super nice. And really good. He deserves to be higher, but the team is doing him a disservice. But for now, he can at least be at #8 ahead of the two CBs, and really Mitchell can be taken out of the list completely at this point in his young career.

The list, at least on WIP, is framed as the better player/most important to Philly. Not necessarily most popular or loved. I think we are about at the point where Harpers love surpasses where he is currently as an athlete. He's still very good but he's breaking down and most likely wont be playing at the peak level he used to.

The Cooper DeJean vs Quinyon Mitchell debate is kinda interesting though. I've seen a few have DeJean higher although I don't necessarily agree. I think some of what you said comes into play there. DeJean had the highlights of tackling Derrick Henry or the SB59 pick 6. Mitchell was just lock down almost all the time you didn't even notice him some games. The chances he had to make a highlight play were intercepted, pun intended, by CJGJ.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Absolutely not.

Have a team move if anything. There isn't enough talent to support 32 teams as is.

That's an interesting argument since Goodell's long term goal is a global league. One would think they'd be able to get more talent but there's also just the possibility that it'd get watered down instead

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The list, at least on WIP, is framed as the better player/most important to Philly. Not necessarily most popular or loved. I think we are about at the point where Harpers love surpasses where he is currently as an athlete. He's still very good but he's breaking down and most likely wont be playing at the peak level he used to.

The Cooper DeJean vs Quinyon Mitchell debate is kinda interesting though. I've seen a few have DeJean higher although I don't necessarily agree. I think some of what you said comes into play there. DeJean had the highlights of tackling Derrick Henry or the SB59 pick 6. Mitchell was just lock down almost all the time you didn't even notice him some games. The chances he had to make a highlight play were intercepted, pun intended, by CJGJ.

Its a fast fall for Harper. 2 years ago he would have been #1. People talked about him as the greatest FA in all of philly sports, of all time. And how clutch he was. Then, the phillies didnt finish the job and that felt a little hollow. Then they choked a 2nd year in a row, and now he is beginning to fall off...

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That's an interesting argument since Goodell's long term goal is a global league. One would think they'd be able to get more talent but there's also just the possibility that it'd get watered down instead

I think there is some diamond in the rough international talent out there like Jordan Mailata was but not enough to support a new competitive team. And it really boils down to QB's. There's a lot of bad QB play in the NFL as is. I don't think there is any undiscovered generational talent that would be able to pick up the position and develop into a true player at the position if he hasn't grown up doing it like most of the QB's do.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think there is some diamond in the rough international talent out there like Jordan Mailata was but not enough to support a new competitive team. And it really boils down to QB's. There's a lot of bad QB play in the NFL as is. I don't think there is any undiscovered generational talent that would be able to pick up the position and develop into a true player at the position if he hasn't grown up doing it like most of the QB's do.

That's a great point. The global league idea doesn't seem to work when the current league has a lot of bottom of the barrel talent right now. It's not like there's a surplus of talent