22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not exactly. My son is 19 now, just came back from college.

19 works for the point I’ll make, which is that raising children more often than not results in reduced sports viewing.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

19 works for the point I’ll make, which is that raising children more often than not results in reduced sports viewing.

Bad changes to the sport you love does too.

Good thing the Flyers didnt keep

bob…

51 minutes ago, mattwill said:

19 works for the point I’ll make, which is that raising children more often than not results in reduced sports viewing.

Not if you raise them right. My daughter has always loved to watch eagles games. Its a family thing.

Golf too a lesser extent bc we both play and some sixers

13 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Good thing the Flyers didnt keep

bob…

Such a Flyers thing to have the guy and trade him

Panthers were the better team in all 6 games. That series resembled a six-game sweep more than 4-2.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Such a Flyers thing to have the guy and trade him

At least they’re still paying Bryzgalov $1.5 million a year.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

A certain amount of cannibalization, but there are plenty of people in those markets who, like BigEFly and Iggles_Phan and me who don’t watch teams other than our "home” team.

If your logic is correct, then the NFL expanding into Houston in 2002 was just cannibalization. But they went ahead with that one.

They "went ahead with that one” because there were 31 teams and the divisions and conferences were an issue.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They "went ahead with that one” because there were 31 teams and the divisions and conferences were an issue.

Good point. The $700 million expansion fee didn’t hurt either.

I’ve enjoyed the conversation. Got all the issues and alternatives out there. I doubt it happens any time soon, with QB talent being the biggest hurdle.

Stanley Cups in my lifetime:

Florida expansion teams-5

Flyers-0

11 hours ago, mattwill said:

As long as the networks are willing to pay for audience size and advertisers are willing to pay the networks for access to that audience, the NFL will be happy. it is all about the commercials.

That's true, but in your example of gatherings if people aren't watching the games, they aren't watching the commercials either.

23 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Yes, my mistake to be so definitive. There are the one or two who buck the odds. But to think that there is enough talent on PS league wide to create multiple new and viable teams is not realistic. Especially at QB.

I have a slightly different perspective. While I do believe the expectations for PS players are and should be lower than those on the actual rosters around the NFL, I also believe in most cases it's going to come down to opportunity. When observing the QB position, there are usually going to be around 15 starting QBs that will get discussed or considered as being in the top 10. From there, the drop-off is already noticeable to the rest of the starters. With QB being one of the most difficult positions to learn at the pro level, teams are hoping to develop their guy over time. For that to happen, there has to be a commitment where the team is invested in giving the guy that opportunity. Unfortunately for PS players, that probably isn't likely. So when comparing a PS player to an established top 10 QB, the drop-off is huge, but when comparing one that gets an opportunity to a bottom 5 starter, it's not likely to be as noticeable. In Kurt Warner's case, he was afforded an opportunity due to an injury situation.

So I believe there are guys on practice squads that could eventually become starters if given a legit opportunity. There are other factors as well, like team, fit, etc....

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Stanley Cups in my lifetime:

Florida expansion teams-5

Flyers-0

Bettman's legacy, for better or worse, will certainly be the NHL's expansion into the Southern US markets that couldn't sustain hockey before. You can certainly argue it's for the better because Las Vegas (1), Nashville (4), and Carolina (5) were all top 5 in NHL attendance this past season.

11 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Good thing the Flyers didnt keep

bob…

Oh man, the bob post again. As if Bob would have made a significant a difference on any of the Flyers teams over the past decade. They are my favorite team and I am loyal, but they can't develop a winning roster to save their lives. They just gave TK an 8 year deal with a no trade clause for $70 million. He'll he 36 years old when it ends. They gave up more to Buffalo to get Risto than FLA gave Buffalo to get Reinhart. They gave up a 2nd round pick to "trade" Ghost to AZ. And these are just the tip of the painful iceberg.

Flyers are a crap show, God lov'em.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Stanley Cups in my lifetime:

Florida expansion teams-5

Flyers-0

Yet the Flyers keep hiring their own to run the team rather than scooping front office, development, and scouting talent from teams like Tampa and Panthers. Painful. Wish the Flyers would raid them the way the Eagles front office gets raided every year.

13 hours ago, mattwill said:

Your Eagles pattern is similar to mine, including the redhead. Where we part is I got rid of my DVD player about a decade ago, and I almost never watch college games.

DVR not DVD although we have a DVD player hooked up to each TV, including one that also plays VHS. Haven’t used them in a while so I guess one of my summer tasks is verifying they still work.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

I have a slightly different perspective. While I do believe the expectations for PS players are and should be lower than those on the actual rosters around the NFL, I also believe in most cases it's going to come down to opportunity. When observing the QB position, there are usually going to be around 15 starting QBs that will get discussed or considered as being in the top 10. From there, the drop-off is already noticeable to the rest of the starters. With QB being one of the most difficult positions to learn at the pro level, teams are hoping to develop their guy over time. For that to happen, there has to be a commitment where the team is invested in giving the guy that opportunity. Unfortunately for PS players, that probably isn't likely. So when comparing a PS player to an established top 10 QB, the drop-off is huge, but when comparing one that gets an opportunity to a bottom 5 starter, it's not likely to be as noticeable. In Kurt Warner's case, he was afforded an opportunity due to an injury situation.

So I believe there are guys on practice squads that could eventually become starters if given a legit opportunity. There are other factors as well, like team, fit, etc....

I don't entirely disagree, but when it comes to QB, opportunity is earned, rather than being more reliant on circumstances and opportunity. Plenty of guys get the opportunity, every teams history is littered with QBs getting their opportunity. It is such a difficult position to play.

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

A certain amount of cannibalization, but there are plenty of people in those markets who, like BigEFly and Iggles_Phan and me who don’t watch teams other than our "home” team.

If your logic is correct, then the NFL expanding into Houston in 2002 was just cannibalization. But they went ahead with that one.

And it watered down the league. It made sense to add them from a logistical standpoint though to make it a 32 team league with 4 divisions of 4 teams per conference. But, adding any more would be a major departure from a system that actually makes a ton of sense logistically and would potentially lead to dramatic changes.

21 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Oh man, the bob post again. As if Bob would have made a significant a difference on any of the Flyers teams over the past decade. They are my favorite team and I am loyal, but they can't develop a winning roster to save their lives. They just gave TK an 8 year deal with a no trade clause for $70 million. He'll he 36 years old when it ends. They gave up more to Buffalo to get Risto than FLA gave Buffalo to get Reinhart. They gave up a 2nd round pick to "trade" Ghost to AZ. And these are just the tip of the painful iceberg.

Flyers are a crap show, God lov'em.

Bob is emblematic of the Flyers' overall incompetence, though. Myrtetus uses revisionist history and says Bob was really raw when the Flyers had him and they "had to" trade him after signing Bryzgalov. Utter B.S. Bobrovsky started 52 games in net for the Flyers as a rookie and had a .915 save % as a 22-year-old. He lost Game 1 of the playoffs to Buffalo 1-0 where Ryan Miller shut them out. Game 2 was 3-2 after one period, and Laviolette PULLS him -- then had no problem at all watching Boucher and Leighton play like sieves until they were behind 3 games to nothing against BOS -- THEN he puts Bobrovsky back in net after the series is basically over.

Ed Snider was well past his best by this point and directs Holmgren to go sign a top goaltender in free agency. They had their top goaltender right under their nose and screwed him over. Don't forget they also dumped Mike Richards and Jeff Carter to make salary space for Bryzgalov (even though I think they won both trades).

Would Bob have been as spectacular as he was in Columbus or won two Stanley Cups if he'd stayed in Philly? Nope. But he's had an excellent 15-year career and will be in the Hall Of Fame in a few years; he certainly would have given the Flyers quite a few years of very solid performance and helped the organization be in a much better place.

58 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Bob is emblematic of the Flyers' overall incompetence, though. Myrtetus uses revisionist history and says Bob was really raw when the Flyers had him and they "had to" trade him after signing Bryzgalov. Utter B.S. Bobrovsky started 52 games in net for the Flyers as a rookie and had a .915 save % as a 22-year-old. He lost Game 1 of the playoffs to Buffalo 1-0 where Ryan Miller shut them out. Game 2 was 3-2 after one period, and Laviolette PULLS him -- then had no problem at all watching Boucher and Leighton play like sieves until they were behind 3 games to nothing against BOS -- THEN he puts Bobrovsky back in net after the series is basically over.

Ed Snider was well past his best by this point and directs Holmgren to go sign a top goaltender in free agency. They had their top goaltender right under their nose and screwed him over. Don't forget they also dumped Mike Richards and Jeff Carter to make salary space for Bryzgalov (even though I think they won both trades).

Would Bob have been as spectacular as he was in Columbus or won two Stanley Cups if he'd stayed in Philly? Nope. But he's had an excellent 15-year career and will be in the Hall Of Fame in a few years; he certainly would have given the Flyers quite a few years of very solid performance and helped the organization be in a much better place.

Bob sure is emblematic.

18 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Bob sure is emblematic.

Did you catch the pre-draft PC with Briere yesterday? He said a few things I liked. I interpreted his comments to mean they're comfortable sitting at #6 and picking, then trying to move up from #22. He said most teams they've talked to about trading down are also looking to move up, though. Flahr also said they're not interested in signing 30+ older players for right now. Good stuff, hopefully.

Seven picks in the top 48. We'll see how they do; if they screw this up I think it's likely I'll go to my grave not seeing another Flyers championship.

Underappreciated coach

One year 6m is cheap. But I wasn't super in on him. Still wanting another Edge though.

I like that signing for Baltimore. Even if you expect him to miss half the games.