49 minutes ago, just relax said:

I’d say da Bears have had the best off-season and the Aints had the worst.

I too believe the Bears had the best, and any team that signed Rodgers had the worst.

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think the most likely outcome was Howie and the front office identified Huff as someone they wanted and liked. Howie probably went to Fangio and said something like "We're going to sign Bryce Huff, we like his upside" and Fangio probably was just like "Ok, cool." And that was that. They probably had their sights set on Huff for months doing free agency prep work throughout the season, long before they even hired Fangio. So I do think they likely mentioned it to him or consulted him, and if he would have strongly objected, they may have rethought it. But my hunch is, it wasn't some lengthy hours long sit down where Howie and Fangio discussed how he was going to use him in the defense either.

Why are you investing so much electronic ink on such a dead subject?

26 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Why are you investing so much electronic ink on such a dead subject?

Because of the article posted in this thread.

4 hours ago, just relax said:

Fangio is a great DC but, like Howie, is not infallible. He was here three months before we signed Huff and it is hard to believe he would not have been consulted about Huff. My belief is that once he saw that Huff couldn’t or wouldn’t set the edge, he had no use for him. Vic runs a light box much of the time, with two DTs and what amounts to four LBs. Huff is heavier than either Smith or Hunt but he’s strictly a speed guy. Fangio asks more of that position than Huff is capable of giving. He was never asked to set the edge with the Jets so signing him was a projection…that turned out to be wrong.

I agree 100% with the underlined/bolded. Vic knows what he expects and NEEDS his players to do in their respective assignments, and when a player proves that he either CAN'T or perhaps more importantly WON'T do it... then as the old school guy he is, he just moves on to the next guy and makes sure that guy fulfills his responsibility. He holds his players accountable, which is fairly novel in today's NFL. It's why Vic wasn't a player favorite in Miami, it was a bunch of coddled vets expecting to be coddled again and when he refused, they get pissy about it. The result was a horrific season defensively by the Dolphins and he was shown the door. Meanwhile, when he came here, he was given a bunch of young hungry players on defense that wanted to learn how to play at a high level in the NFL and very very few of them had any cache to improvise or push back on the scheme. As a result, they took to the coaching, became good at what they were asked to do, and unlike any defense this team has had for the last decade or so... they really played as a cohesive unit. THAT is what made this defense so good last year. All 11 players were on the same page, and working coherently. In recent years there was a lot of disjointed and confused play. Here Vic made sure players knew their assignments and made sure they did it.

2 hours ago, devpool said:

I'm going to make my first attempt at smoking brisket tomorrow. Has anyone trimmed the night before? I feel like it's gonna take me longer to trim than the average person because it'll be my first time doing it and it's already gonna be a long day. Reddit of course had people saying they trim and season the night before with no issues, but i know some people in here are fairly experienced and at least sound like you know what you're doing

Nothing wrong with doing it the night before. And seasoning the night before is also a good move as a piece of meat that big will take a LONG time for the seasoning to get deep into the meat. So, go for it. I've trimmed and seasoned pork ribs the night before, pork shoulders (picnic shoulders and butts) and those pieces of meat are all WAY smaller than a brisket.

That technique (seasoning the night before and refrigerating overnight) is called a 'dry brine'. It's a common practice in the world of BBQ with a lot of big pieces of meat - brisket is no exception.

Are you doing it hot and fast, or low and slow?

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nothing wrong with doing it the night before. And seasoning the night before is also a good move as a piece of meat that big will take a LONG time for the seasoning to get deep into the meat. So, go for it. I've trimmed and seasoned pork ribs the night before, pork shoulders (picnic shoulders and butts) and those pieces of meat are all WAY smaller than a brisket.

That technique (seasoning the night before and refrigerating overnight) is called a 'dry brine'. It's a common practice in the world of BBQ with a lot of big pieces of meat - brisket is no exception.

Are you doing it hot and fast, or low and slow?

Thanks for the advice!!

I'm gonna shoot for low and slow, we have an offset so it's gonna be a very long day for me lol hence why I was trying to see if I can cut off even a little bit of time trimming (and now seasoning!) the night prior. I did a shoulder a few weeks back that came out pretty good but my temp control was all over the place. I was just too reactionary to temperature dips but at the end of the day the meat was cooked and it pulled apart pretty well

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Because of the article posted in this thread.

All it merited was at best a single comment. You are giving it more dignity than it deserves.

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

Thanks for the advice!!

I'm gonna shoot for low and slow, we have an offset so it's gonna be a very long day for me lol hence why I was trying to see if I can cut off even a little bit of time trimming (and now seasoning!) the night prior. I did a shoulder a few weeks back that came out pretty good but my temp control was all over the place. I was just too reactionary to temperature dips but at the end of the day the meat was cooked and it pulled apart pretty well

Learning to BBQ with an offset is a process. I don't have the patience or the pocketbook to have some misfires personally, so I just went with the pellet smoker route. I'm not super into heavy smoke flavor, so that works for me, and allows me to focus on the other stuff... seasoning rubs, timing, when to wrap, etc.

BUT, the world of BBQ is a fun one to play in... and then you get to eat some really tasty stuff at the end of the process! Good luck.

BTW, there's a few youtubers out there that I'd suggest checking out. Meat Church & MadScientistBBQ are good for Brisket. HowtoBBQRight is great for all other things bbq. And if you can find videos with Aaron Franklin (currently widely considered the king of brisket), you can't go wrong. I just found out he has a channel... so I'll be checking that out myself.

6ers summer league tonight 9pm ESPN. VJ vs Ace.

5 hours ago, just relax said:

Fangio is a great DC but, like Howie, is not infallible. He was here three months before we signed Huff and it is hard to believe he would not have been consulted about Huff. My belief is that once he saw that Huff couldn’t or wouldn’t set the edge, he had no use for him. Vic runs a light box much of the time, with two DTs and what amounts to four LBs. Huff is heavier than either Smith or Hunt but he’s strictly a speed guy. Fangio asks more of that position than Huff is capable of giving. He was never asked to set the edge with the Jets so signing him was a projection…that turned out to be wrong.

My guess is that Howie did what he's done before and got a player that clearly either wasn't signed off by the coach or just didn't fit

Vic likely now has Howie's trust and ear after that dominating performance from the defense. I'm sure the lines of communication are great now so I doubt we see something like that happening again

23 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I never watched a Banana Ball game but saw random clips. It’s probably not for me but I don’t get the hate. They created a successful niche product that seems to be working for the moment, so good for them. They already beat every iteration of the NFL.

They didn’t create anything. The Globetrotters have been doing it for almost 100 years with basketball. It’s fun, exciting…might only last a bit as ‘must see’ but will probably have the same longevity. My brother did the UV baseball game at the Iron Pigs stadium a bit ago, said it was a good time.

9 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Too Redskinsy.

Poppycock work better? Haha

5 hours ago, just relax said:

Fangio is a great DC but, like Howie, is not infallible. He was here three months before we signed Huff and it is hard to believe he would not have been consulted about Huff. My belief is that once he saw that Huff couldn’t or wouldn’t set the edge, he had no use for him. Vic runs a light box much of the time, with two DTs and what amounts to four LBs. Huff is heavier than either Smith or Hunt but he’s strictly a speed guy. Fangio asks more of that position than Huff is capable of giving. He was never asked to set the edge with the Jets so signing him was a projection…that turned out to be wrong.

To fuel some off season convo’s…calling Fangio ‘great’ as a DC. The HOF doesn’t recognize coordinators and positional coaches for nomination. Is Fangio a HOF worthy DC if that door opens?

Thinking of some others off the top of my head from semi recent Eagles history:

JJ

Mudd

Stoutland

Spags

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

To fuel some off season convo’s…calling Fangio ‘great’ as a DC. The HOF doesn’t recognize coordinators and positional coaches for nomination. Is Fangio a HOF worthy DC if that door opens?

Thinking of some others off the top of my head from semi recent Eagles history:

JJ

Mudd

Stoutland

Spags

Going more league wide:

Dick LeBeau. (Actually coached with the Eagles in the early 70s)
Bud Carson (known for the Steel Curtain, but refined Buddy's 46 personnel into one of the greatest Ds ever in 1991)

Joe Bugel (architect of the Hogs in Washington). He was Stoutland before Stoutland.

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Learning to BBQ with an offset is a process. I don't have the patience or the pocketbook to have some misfires personally, so I just went with the pellet smoker route. I'm not super into heavy smoke flavor, so that works for me, and allows me to focus on the other stuff... seasoning rubs, timing, when to wrap, etc.

BUT, the world of BBQ is a fun one to play in... and then you get to eat some really tasty stuff at the end of the process! Good luck.

BTW, there's a few youtubers out there that I'd suggest checking out. Meat Church & MadScientistBBQ are good for Brisket. HowtoBBQRight is great for all other things bbq. And if you can find videos with Aaron Franklin (currently widely considered the king of brisket), you can't go wrong. I just found out he has a channel... so I'll be checking that out myself.

Recently I’ve been messing with adding a smoke tube to my Traeger for some extra ‘flavor’ to mixed results. I possess the ability to use an off set, but not the patience and time right now (plus, the unwritten rule of you have to have a beer in hand while theres a flame in the smoker I’d probably die doing a brisket with my single speed drinking). Some call it cheating, but the meat is good either way i do it. The biggest thing I’ve found is to make a recipe your own and stick to it. Don’t be afraid of replacing things (agave syrup for brown sugar for instance). A ‘bad’ cook is just great stew meat at the end of the day.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Going more league wide:

Dick LeBeau. (Actually coached with the Eagles in the early 70s)
Bud Carson (known for the Steel Curtain, but refined Buddy's 46 personnel into one of the greatest Ds ever in 1991)

Joe Bugel (architect of the Hogs in Washington). He was Stoutland before Stoutland.

First 2 names instantly popped into my head…but i was trying not to throw too much out there haha.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

Recently I’ve been messing with adding a smoke tube to my Traeger for some extra ‘flavor’ to mixed results. I possess the ability to use an off set, but not the patience and time right now (plus, the unwritten rule of you have to have a beer in hand while theres a flame in the smoker I’d probably die doing a brisket with my single speed drinking). Some call it cheating, but the meat is good either way i do it. The biggest thing I’ve found is to make a recipe your own and stick to it. Don’t be afraid of replacing things (agave syrup for brown sugar for instance). A ‘bad’ cook is just great stew meat at the end of the day.

Agreed. I have my own signature Spare Rib recipe now (St. Louis). Made my own rub, made my own sauce too. Even won a little cook off. My current pastor and I competed head to head for a church event coming out of Covid. Of course, mine were fresh and his had to be cooked ahead and reheated, so its a bit of a false positive... but I've made them for a bunch of events since then and they have been a hit with each and every audience!

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

All it merited was at best a single comment. You are giving it more dignity than it deserves.

It was a back and forth between two posters.

29 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

To fuel some off season convo’s…calling Fangio ‘great’ as a DC. The HOF doesn’t recognize coordinators and positional coaches for nomination. Is Fangio a HOF worthy DC if that door opens?

Thinking of some others off the top of my head from semi recent Eagles history:

JJ

Mudd

Stoutland

Spags

Not yet

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Learning to BBQ with an offset is a process. I don't have the patience or the pocketbook to have some misfires personally, so I just went with the pellet smoker route. I'm not super into heavy smoke flavor, so that works for me, and allows me to focus on the other stuff... seasoning rubs, timing, when to wrap, etc.

BUT, the world of BBQ is a fun one to play in... and then you get to eat some really tasty stuff at the end of the process! Good luck.

BTW, there's a few youtubers out there that I'd suggest checking out. Meat Church & MadScientistBBQ are good for Brisket. HowtoBBQRight is great for all other things bbq. And if you can find videos with Aaron Franklin (currently widely considered the king of brisket), you can't go wrong. I just found out he has a channel... so I'll be checking that out myself.

I got an Aaron Franklin book for Christmas, trying to practically apply the stuff I read in there and it is tough. I'll post the results in here tomorrow, good or bad lol.

Interesting thing about this savannah bananas stuff, unlike the globetrotters, they dont win every game. Caught the end of one here tonight, and they just said the bananas are back to .500 for the first time since April. They are 23-23.

44 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

To fuel some off season convo’s…calling Fangio ‘great’ as a DC. The HOF doesn’t recognize coordinators and positional coaches for nomination. Is Fangio a HOF worthy DC if that door opens?

Thinking of some others off the top of my head from semi recent Eagles history:

JJ

Mudd

Stoutland

Spags

Great question, to which I don’t have an answer.

I can think of notable historical DCs that IMO would be HOF worthy if it was a thing, but having a much harder time thinking of career OCs that fit that description

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

To fuel some off season convo’s…calling Fangio ‘great’ as a DC. The HOF doesn’t recognize coordinators and positional coaches for nomination. Is Fangio a HOF worthy DC if that door opens?

Thinking of some others off the top of my head from semi recent Eagles history:

JJ

Mudd

Stoutland

Spags

man... I never thought about that. Its a damn shame Stout wont be able to get in to the hall.

8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I can think of notable historical DCs that IMO would be HOF worthy if it was a thing, but having a much harder time thinking of career OCs that fit that description

More OCs turn HC and stick there than the flip side these days.

Norv Turner would be an interesting candidate as an OC, IMO.