9 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

Why Jalen Carter...isn't it obvious? Even so, the players will make last second shifts, etc. to further stress their opponents. The White Gorilla will be another brick in the wall also.

Twas a joke, my friend.

What some 2nd round picks need to understand is ultimately, the Teams can afford to, and will, out wait them. If they budge on 2nd rounders, then 3rd rounders will do the same thing. And with the Browns 2nd rounder being arrested over the weekend for Domestic Violence, its an example of why teams are not all in on the idea.

Holy ish, ESPN ranked Goff and Herbert (!) ahead of Hurts.

Print that and post it in the locker room.

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

Let's hope he is who he showed us last year. He was good from day 1 down in Brazil, making plays all night against the Packers until the SB.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Holy ish, ESPN ranked Goff and Herbert (!) ahead of Hurts.

Print that and post it in the locker room.

Goff you could have pro/con with Hurts, but Herbert. Nah, not even close

Seeing a lot of chatter about this kid possibly making a debut before the year is out. I don't buy it for one second.

32 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Seeing a lot of chatter about this kid possibly making a debut before the year is out. I don't buy it for one second.

Why?

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Why?

Just based on how they do things. They have players that could help in the minors at areas where they are performing poorly and don't budge. The Phillies just seem to sit on their farm talent for far too long. Guys are 27 before they get called up. It would be unheard of for the Phillies to draft a player and play him in the majors that same year.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Holy ish, ESPN ranked Goff and Herbert (!) ahead of Hurts.

Print that and post it in the locker room.

Meh who cares, give goff and Herbert " rankings"

Hurts will just have to settle for super bowl mvps.

Terry Bradshaw was never considered a top qb if his day, and not in this day either but hes in the HOF

He only had 2 more tds than ints and a career 51% completion %.

But his win loss record as a starter is great and he has his best games in the playoffs and superbowls.

Troy aikman only had one season with more than 20 tds, his td to int tatio is awful, but he played really well in 3 superbowls and is in the HOF.

Hurts statistically is never going to knock any ones socks off, and his arm talent while good isnt herbert level but hes clutch, hes a winner a leader and a super bowl mvp.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just based on how they do things. They have players that could help in the minors at areas where they are performing poorly and don't budge. The Phillies just seem to sit on their farm talent for far too long. Guys are 27 before they get called up. It would be unheard of for the Phillies to draft a player and play him in the majors that same year.

Yeah, they are pretty bad with that. I think they drafted him as a mid season pen acquisition, though. If they don't they deserve to be bashed.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Just based on how they do things. They have players that could help in the minors at areas where they are performing poorly and don't budge. The Phillies just seem to sit on their farm talent for far too long. Guys are 27 before they get called up. It would be unheard of for the Phillies to draft a player and play him in the majors that same year.

While that is generally true, and they could be considered to be holding back Crawford longer than needed, and perhaps Painter, though his injury history could easily warrant a more cautious approach, they did fast track Orion Kerkering. A 5th round choice in 2022, he was up with the Phillies just 14 or so months later and was almost immediately thrust into high leverage situations.

Something similar could happen with this kid. College kids drafted can be moved faster than most high schoolers. Not all though which is why some kids ended up being so old when they come up.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Holy ish, ESPN ranked Goff and Herbert (!) ahead of Hurts.

Print that and post it in the locker room.

1. Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Burrow

4. Jackson

5. Daniels

6. Stafford

7. Herbert

8. Goff

9. Hurts

10. Mayfield

Honorable mentions: Stroud, Love

(The ESPN list)

28 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

1. Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Burrow

4. Jackson

5. Daniels

6. Stafford

7. Herbert

8. Goff

9. Hurts

10. Mayfield

Honorable mentions: Stroud, Love

(The ESPN list)

As I'm sure you know, ESPN are mainly just content creators at this point. Throw opinion pieces out there to garner viewers, clicks, etc.

The QB position is just as dependent on talent around them as most other positions in football. Folks try to pretend the QB position is the driving force and common denominator to winning football, but that's not the reality. Hurts displays very well the two most important attributes to playing the position when surrounded by premium talent:

1) Have a clutch bone -- come up big when it matters

2) Don't screw it up -- limit your mistakes and don't beat yourself

Hurts only threw one INT last season after Week 3. He did throw one in the Super Bowl but I suspect most fans don't even remember it. He thrives in the Philly market that chews up and spits out some other guys, and it would be beyond shocking if he got into any serious off-field trouble.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

As I'm sure you know, ESPN are mainly just content creators at this point. Throw opinion pieces out there to garner viewers, clicks, etc.

The QB position is just as dependent on talent around them as most other positions in football. Folks try to pretend the QB position is the driving force and common denominator to winning football, but that's not the reality. Hurts displays very well the two most important attributes to playing the position when surrounded by premium talent:

1) Have a clutch bone -- come up big when it matters

2) Don't screw it up -- limit your mistakes and don't beat yourself

Hurts only threw one INT last season after Week 3. He did throw one in the Super Bowl but I suspect most fans don't even remember it. He thrives in the Philly market that chews up and spits out some other guys, and it would be beyond shocking if he got into any serious off-field trouble.

Most are just to create views and clicks now. I disagree with the list. I didn’t read it to see if it’s based on last season or just in general of how they rank them and just got the names since he didn’t post it.

21 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Because in 2017 something impossible happened.

And more than a few here were ready to throw in the towel.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Holy ish, ESPN ranked Goff and Herbert (!) ahead of Hurts.

Print that and post it in the locker room.

Make sure RTK sees it. And pop some popcorn😆.

Pretty much every QB ranking is created just to make clicks, and they're also based on who throws the ball best and nothing else. That's why you rarely see Hurts in the top 5, arm talent is not one of his elite traits.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

1. Mahomes

2. Allen

3. Burrow

4. Jackson

5. Daniels

6. Stafford

7. Herbert

8. Goff

9. Hurts

10. Mayfield

Honorable mentions: Stroud, Love

(The ESPN list)

Who cares what anyone at ESPN thinks except the guy writing checks to the leagues? Ranking lists in the NFL are nonsense.

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who cares what anyone at ESPN thinks except the guy writing checks to the leagues? Ranking lists in the NFL are nonsense.

Ok

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

As I'm sure you know, ESPN are mainly just content creators at this point. Throw opinion pieces out there to garner viewers, clicks, etc.

The QB position is just as dependent on talent around them as most other positions in football. Folks try to pretend the QB position is the driving force and common denominator to winning football, but that's not the reality. Hurts displays very well the two most important attributes to playing the position when surrounded by premium talent:

1) Have a clutch bone -- come up big when it matters

2) Don't screw it up -- limit your mistakes and don't beat yourself

Hurts only threw one INT last season after Week 3. He did throw one in the Super Bowl but I suspect most fans don't even remember it. He thrives in the Philly market that chews up and spits out some other guys, and it would be beyond shocking if he got into any serious off-field trouble.

The list was made up by execs, coaches and scouts in the NFL

There are game manager QBs that have won because of being efficient or just not screwing up while the team wins due to greatness elsewhere, like with Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. There are QBs who are stars and top of the league especially as passers. There are QBs who are individually great but don't win anything.

Hurts isn't any of those. It's an interesting conversation. He's got a winning mentality and has done well in clutch time. He's a leader in his own way, but not as vocal or showing emotion (some fans prefer a QB throwing a tantrum on the sideline and knocking things over to staying focused). He achieves rushing stats and TDs, but not as quick as some other runners. He's made some efficient throws and some great deep passes, but also struggles in the passing game in different ways. If anyone is being realistic and honest, of course he's not a top passer just look at the stats. Yes, there are QBs that with this offense would have much higher passing stats. But we don't have those other QBs, right now we have Hurts.

What ultimately matters is team wins and championships. If this formula works, who cares. It's like worrying about individual sack or interception numbers for one player when the defense is #1 overall and dominating teams. Hurts is trying to challenge the idea of how it has to look. He consistently says winning is what matters. If the team were losing and the QB was clearly the main/only problem, then yeah move on to another QB. But the team is winning and just won the Super Bowl. The Chiefs focused on stopping Barkley, and Hurts rose to the challenge. I think they have a strong chance to repeat. I don't care if Hurts passes for 100 yards every game and they win another Super Bowl. Sure, I'd like to see the QB do more than that, but what I really want are wins and another Super Bowl trophy.

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Goff you could have pro/con with Hurts, but Herbert. Nah, not even close

Goff has spent his entire career being an under performer in big games in the playoffs.

He, as we have seen throughout his career, is prone to have major meltdown games where he is turning over the ball like crazy.

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are game manager QBs that have won because of being efficient or just not screwing up while the team wins due to greatness elsewhere, like with Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. There are QBs who are stars and top of the league especially as passers. There are QBs who are individually great but don't win anything.

Hurts isn't any of those. It's an interesting conversation. He's got a winning mentality and has done well in clutch time. He's a leader in his own way, but not as vocal or showing emotion (some fans prefer a QB throwing a tantrum on the sideline and knocking things over to staying focused). He achieves rushing stats and TDs, but not as quick as some other runners. He's made some efficient throws and some great deep passes, but also struggles in the passing game in different ways. If anyone is being realistic and honest, of course he's not a top passer just look at the stats. Yes, there are QBs that with this offense would have much higher passing stats. But we don't have those other QBs, right now we have Hurts.

What ultimately matters is team wins and championships. If this formula works, who cares. It's like worrying about individual sack or interception numbers for one player when the defense is #1 overall and dominating teams. Hurts is trying to challenge the idea of how it has to look. He consistently says winning is what matters. If the team were losing and the QB was clearly the main/only problem, then yeah move on to another QB. But the team is winning and just won the Super Bowl. The Chiefs focused on stopping Barkley, and Hurts rose to the challenge. I think they have a strong chance to repeat. I don't care if Hurts passes for 100 yards every game and they win another Super Bowl. Sure, I'd like to see the QB do more than that, but what I really want are wins and another Super Bowl trophy.

He is a top passer though. He is one of the most accurate QBs in the league and doesn't achieve that by milking short dump off passes all the time. Also he doesn't just throw "some" great deep passes, he is one of the premiere elite deep ball passers in the league.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Just based on how they do things. They have players that could help in the minors at areas where they are performing poorly and don't budge. The Phillies just seem to sit on their farm talent for far too long. Guys are 27 before they get called up. It would be unheard of for the Phillies to draft a player and play him in the majors that same year.

Kerkering was an exception.

EDIT: @Iggles_Phan beat me to it.

I was curious

Percentage of on-target throws per pass attempt, excluding spikes and throwaways:

Geno 81.8%

Tua 81.3%

Goff 80.5%

Burrow 80.3% (crazy considering the amount he threw for)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/passing_advanced.htm

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

As I'm sure you know, ESPN are mainly just content creators at this point. Throw opinion pieces out there to garner viewers, clicks, etc.

The QB position is just as dependent on talent around them as most other positions in football. Folks try to pretend the QB position is the driving force and common denominator to winning football, but that's not the reality. Hurts displays very well the two most important attributes to playing the position when surrounded by premium talent:

1) Have a clutch bone -- come up big when it matters

2) Don't screw it up -- limit your mistakes and don't beat yourself

Hurts only threw one INT last season after Week 3. He did throw one in the Super Bowl but I suspect most fans don't even remember it. He thrives in the Philly market that chews up and spits out some other guys, and it would be beyond shocking if he got into any serious off-field trouble.