So he messed up the Sidney Jones pick

57 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Exactly.

Dotson has been a massive disappointment, including here last year, which is one of the reasons they didn't pick up his 5th year option. He's in a contract year now, so maybe we'll get the best possible version of him this year, but I don't want to have to count on him... and I say that as a PSU fan. He's no Chris Godwin!

46 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He was targeted 33 times and had 19 receptions in the regular season. Targeted 5 times with 3 receptions in the playoffs

About the same success rate of receptions with Commies but he also doesn't get targeted much in our offense

I agree with Mike, Dotson when called upon has delivered. He just isn’t called upon very much

Aside from Dotson not being able to draw any targets, the other mystery to me about this offense and the way Hurts operates in it, is that Goedert cant draw targets, and when he does, its typically TE screens or very short throws. Meanwhile, Goedert gets injured, and Calcatera is getting the ball all over the field on a variety of routes.

Maybe it makes most sense to increase the FBs role, where he can be used to help block as well. And focus more on pass catching TEs which are utilized as weapons more than a TE like Goedert is.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I love that, but thats why the Mac McWilliams pick was the one pick that frustrated me. The nickel spot is filled. Right now, and in the foreseeable future. Best case scenario, DeJean is always healthy, and McWilliams is always a backup. In addition, he projects as a backup nickel as well. He doesnt have length to play on the outside. He wasnt the most impressive on tape, except that he had a great senior bowl week. If he becomes a backup, hes probably maximized his potential.

I dont like that pick much, and I dont understand how it fits with their philosophy with every other draft pick that was made.

Everything that we have heard first hand from either McWilliams himself, or from the Eagles is that he has played and is comfortable and productive playing both inside and outside. He appears to have the speed and ball skills to make that not hot air, but time will tell whether that proves to be the case.

DeJean has an injury history and beyond that Avonte played some while he was healthy as a dime. So I’m ok with McWilliams. He wasn’t on my radar and probably wouldn’t have been my choice but I’m ok with him (I’m sure Howie is breathing a big sigh of relief at my opinion)

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I love that, but thats why the Mac McWilliams pick was the one pick that frustrated me. The nickel spot is filled. Right now, and in the foreseeable future. Best case scenario, DeJean is always healthy, and McWilliams is always a backup. In addition, he projects as a backup nickel as well. He doesnt have length to play on the outside. He wasnt the most impressive on tape, except that he had a great senior bowl week. If he becomes a backup, hes probably maximized his potential.

I dont like that pick much, and I dont understand how it fits with their philosophy with every other draft pick that was made.

Maybe the rule applies after the fourth round.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

DeJean has an injury history and beyond that Avonte played some while he was healthy as a dime. So I’m ok with McWilliams. He wasn’t on my radar and probably wouldn’t have been my choice but I’m ok with him (I’m sure Howie is breathing a big sigh of relief at my opinion)

I would probably prefer Jackson to be the dime CB. Im pretty sure he is better than McWilliams, at least for now.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Maybe the rule applies after the fourth round.

maybe. Seemed like he held his "passion" meeting at the beginning of day 3 though.

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Everything that we have heard first hand from either McWilliams himself, or from the Eagles is that he has played and is comfortable and productive playing both inside and outside. He appears to have the speed and ball skills to make that not hot air, but time will tell whether that proves to be the case.

5'10'' with under 30'' arms doesnt play in the NFL on the outside.

Just because DeJean is the slot today doesn’t mean he’s the slot in two years. Slot is essentially a starting position now.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Aside from Dotson not being able to draw any targets, the other mystery to me about this offense and the way Hurts operates in it, is that Goedert cant draw targets, and when he does, its typically TE screens or very short throws. Meanwhile, Goedert gets injured, and Calcatera is getting the ball all over the field on a variety of routes.

Maybe it makes most sense to increase the FBs role, where he can be used to help block as well. And focus more on pass catching TEs which are utilized as weapons more than a TE like Goedert is.

I would disagree with your assessment of Goedert. He frequently would be targeted on a sail round towards the sidelines.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Just because DeJean is the slot today doesn’t mean he’s the slot in two years. Slot is essentially a starting position now.

I believe he is. I dont entertain the thought of moving him.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I would disagree with your assessment of Goedert. He frequently would be targeted on a sail round towards the sidelines.

ok. maybe. I dont know about frequently. I remember being frustrated wondering why his targets mostly seem to come within 5 yards of the LOS.

I can remember that sail route being used. But theres no question his route tree was extremely limited here of late. At least the routes that actually lead to targets.

When picked wasn't McWilliams listed as a "DB" just like Mukuba? Wonder if there's anything to read into there when it comes to their vision for him. There was some talk earlier in here about how Fangio's defense has some inside/outside hybrid roles in addition to the traditional outside CB role. But I don't know enough to speak on that knowledgeably.

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I would probably prefer Jackson to be the dime CB. Im pretty sure he is better than McWilliams, at least for now.

He is certainly more experienced

36 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

So he messed up the Sidney Jones pick

Yup thats what I read.

I think the no backups line can get misconstrued. Obviously Drew Kendall & Kyle Mccord have no path at their positions to be starters barring injury. I think Howie was talking more upside of the player vs their place on the Eagles roster

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think the no backups line can get misconstrued. Obviously Drew Kendall & Kyle Mccord have no path at their positions to be starters barring injury. I think Howie was talking more upside of the player vs their place on the Eagles roster

"Not looking for backups" is the first sentence. "These guys may still end up as backups" is the second. Take big swings anyway.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just because DeJean is the slot today doesn’t mean he’s the slot in two years. Slot is essentially a starting position now.

True, but he should stay in the slot as it accentuates all his strengths.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think the no backups line can get misconstrued. Obviously Drew Kendall & Kyle Mccord have no path at their positions to be starters barring injury. I think Howie was talking more upside of the player vs their place on the Eagles roster

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

"Not looking for backups" is the first sentence. "These guys may still end up as backups" is the second. Take big swings anyway.

Agreed.

It does appear that Kendall and McCord have starter upside.

I dont think McWilliams does though.

2027 Draft will be in DC. Boo

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

True, but he should stay in the slot as it accentuates all his strengths.

I’m not advocating moving DeJean, just saying that he could potentially move. The point more or less is that they see starting nickel upside in McWilliams.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not advocating moving DeJean, just saying that he could potentially move. The point more or less is that they see starting nickel upside in McWilliams.

I kinda think its sorta the same principle that got Hurts drafted. They were in a cap situation where they didnt want to allocate the dollars necessary to pay a top level backup QB. So they drafted a backup really early in the draft when they already had a starter in place.

Here, they need a backup nickle CB. There wasnt really one on the roster. And probably figured its cheaper to draft one they feel really good about rather than signing a proven high level backup nickel. (Was one even available in free agency?)

Fact(?) remains, they drafted a guy who is expected to be a long term backup. Which was opposite of the rest of their draft philosophy this year. But, I guess it makes some sense because backup nickle was actually a glaring hole on the roster.

I also think the board was never really falling well for them at CB. They might have gotten a more exciting prospect otherwise. McWilliams seemed to be about the bottom of the barrell of guys they had targeted. Like, Parrish would have made me a bit more excited. But guys they visited with kept going off the board far ahead of their pick in each round.

59 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree with Mike, Dotson when called upon has delivered. He just isn’t called upon very much

He was called upon during the game where both Brown and Smith were out. He was the #1 WR that game. 2 catches, 11 yards on 4 targets. Not good enough. And if he's the best option we have after the top 2... there's a GULF between them and him. And he's head and shoulders above the next one after him.