6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He only played 13 games last season

That was 2023. He played 17 last season.

You're point stands that he hasn't not played well under pressure and in the post season. I won't argue with that. I just don't think they gave him the Jalen Hurts treatment as they still asked him to attempt 30 passes a game on average. I'd also say his attempts per game going down had more to do with the type of coach Harbaugh is more than anything.

I also don't think he is some QB who just has a rocket arm but sucks like Jeff George or Jay Cutler. Herbert has probably the lowest interception percentage in the NFL. He is overhyped, but there are probably 25 teams that would be thrilled to have him.

As far as Herbert goes, he'll have an effective running game this season for the first time. They'll have Alt and Slater at OT, Becton at RG, they have Zion Johnson there as well. Omarion Hampton and Najee Harris should be an improvement over last year. Austin Ekeler was always an overrated scrub; even last year without him they still only averaged 4.1 YPR. Their WR group needs some work, so I expect them to be quite run-heavy this season.

I agree with those who point out Herbert hasn't performed well in playoffs to this point, but take a look at Peyton Manning over the first half of his career -- awful playoff performer who figured it out later on.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You have zero point, zero.

3 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

You have zero point, zero.

Thank you for your input of not getting the point. Are you done now?

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

It bothers me because you are the Davion Taylor of this thread, or if you prefer the Nnamdi Asomugha. You have so much potential to be an outstanding contributor to the "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts” collaboration that epitomizes this thread, but you consistently squander that potential.

I’m simply pointing out to you that you can do better.

There is no I in team, and this Blog is a team.

Does that mean he is in the CFL? (That’s where Davion Taylor is).

We still have people that would take Herbert over Hurts? I swear some people have the brain of a goldfish.

I know QB is considered the most important position on the team, so they're going to be compared to each other more than other positions. But QBs don't play against QBs, they play against defenses. We don't argue that a Left Tackle is better than another team's Left Tackle because of their head-to-head matchups, or they beat teams that also have great Left Tackles, because the Left Tackle goes against the Defensive line, not another Left Tackle.

And if you argue that a top QB contributes to the overall success of the team therefore the team is harder to beat...then you get into logic problems looking at the team and other dynamics not just the QB and now you're talking about the team not an individual. If QB A is going against the top defenses in the league and QB B is facing easier defenses, that's a factor as well. There's coaching and scheme, preparation and game plan, adjusting during the game. And the O line and supporting cast. It's why I think football is the ultimate team sport and all the factors matter more than other sports.

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Does that mean he is in the CFL? (That’s where Davion Taylor is).

It probably means sometimes he is out to lunch.

15 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Who does Hurts have to go through to get to the SB?

Now who does Herbert have to go through to get to the SB?

Notice how one has a lot more. AFC is more of a battle. It's been like that for awhile now

QBs don’t play QBs, they play defenses. Football is a team sport. Do you think the AFC defenses combined with good offenses are better than the NFC defenses combined with good defenses as a whole? I watch defenses. I would rather the Eagles played Cincinnati or Buffalo defenses than the NFC East defenses.

You even said that it’s a team sport. Herbert does have to face the Chiefs and Broncos defenses in the regular season but last year the Chargers had a better defense. The problem with the AFC is that there are teams with good defenses and bad QBs or good QBs and bad defenses. The exceptions being the Chiefs (yes, Mahomes wins because Spags has a good D) and the Ravens. Eagles beat both last year.

My issue with Herbert is the same I have always had, his WTF plays. Maybe it’s hero ball, the thing that Wentz couldn’t control. Hurts seems to have learned to control that. Take his SB interception, my reaction was that it was better than a punt.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Herbert attempts went up from 2023 and he had 504 attempts. That's pretty different than going from 538 to 361.

Herbert's attempts per game went down to 7 less attempts per game in 2024 from 2023.

Jalen Hurts' attempts per game also went down to...7 less attempts per game in 2024 from 2023.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

QBs don’t play QBs, they play defenses. Football is a team sport. Do you think the AFC defenses combined with good offenses are better than the NFC defenses combined with good defenses as a whole? I watch defenses. I would rather the Eagles played Cincinnati or Buffalo defenses than the NFC East defenses.

You even said that it’s a team sport. Herbert does have to face the Chiefs and Broncos defenses in the regular season but last year the Chargers had a better defense. The problem with the AFC is that there are teams with good defenses and bad QBs or good QBs and bad defenses. The exceptions being the Chiefs (yes, Mahomes wins because Spags has a good D) and the Ravens. Eagles beat both last year.

My issue with Herbert is the same I have always had, his WTF plays. Maybe it’s hero ball, the thing that Wentz couldn’t control. Hurts seems to have learned to control that. Take his SB interception, my reaction was that it was better than a punt.

Yes it's a team sport. I completely agree. The argument was focused on QBs

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Lmao

Agent planted story.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Yes, the teams. Mahomes has been another story.

No he hasn’t. Chiefs tend to be a good defense. Not discounting the play of Mahomes, but your conclusion ignores how well the Chiefs defense has played.

Yeah Mahomes has no help, just a perenially great defense with an all time great DC, a top 2 HC all time who is one of the best offensive minds the league has seen. A top 3-5 TE of all time as well.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Agent planted story.

What's the story then? I haven't looked into it

Hypothetical for boring part of the offseason. If the NFL QBs were reshuffled by draft order: so put the highest ranking QB on the team with the worst record, and so forth down the line. The worst teams would now have the best QBs and the best teams would end up with the worst QBs. How would these teams function? How would top QBs function on bad teams with bad coaches and roster construction? And how would good teams fare with the worst starting QBs in the league?

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Hypothetical for boring part of the offseason. If the NFL QBs were reshuffled by draft order: so put the highest ranking QB on the team with the worst record, and so forth down the line. The worst teams would now have the best QBs and the best teams would end up with the worst QBs. How would these teams function? How would top QBs function on bad teams with bad coaches and roster construction? And how would good teams fare with the worst starting QBs in the league?

You would see QBs have a big impact on the winning and losing on the new teams.

ESPN.com

The best NFL teams of the past 25 years, ranked from 25 to 1

With 25 NFL seasons in the books since 2000, let's pick the 25 best teams. How many Patriots, Eagles and Chiefs squads make the list?

2024 Eagles at #4

2017 Eagles at #5

2022 Eagles at #17

Hurts is in Greece hanging with MJ.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Hurts is in Greece hanging with MJ.

Must suck to be a Bears fan.

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

ESPN.com

The best NFL teams of the past 25 years, ranked from 25 to 1

With 25 NFL seasons in the books since 2000, let's pick the 25 best teams. How many Patriots, Eagles and Chiefs squads make the list?

2024 Eagles at #4

2017 Eagles at #5

2022 Eagles at #17

2004 Eagles deserved an honorable mention. I think that becomes even more apparent when they have the 2004 Patriots as the 3rd best team.

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Hypothetical for boring part of the offseason. If the NFL QBs were reshuffled by draft order: so put the highest ranking QB on the team with the worst record, and so forth down the line. The worst teams would now have the best QBs and the best teams would end up with the worst QBs. How would these teams function? How would top QBs function on bad teams with bad coaches and roster construction? And how would good teams fare with the worst starting QBs in the league?

I made that suggestion many years ago for Formula 1, when Michael Schumaker was winning championships year after year. Put him in one of the other teams' racing car and see how he fares. To me, it would make auto racing much more interesting, and you'd see who the actual best drivers are.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Must suck to be a Bears fan.

I saw that photo on my Facebook feed with the caption "Bears have officially been eliminated from the 2026 NFL Playoffs".

Gave me a chuckle.

I think Herbert is a more talented QB than Hurts, but it comes down to how you define better. Do you factor in accomplishments or just eye test? Then there's the intangible stuff you can't really see. When I watch both QBs play in a vacuum, Herbert stands out as more impressive. But that doesn't necessarily mean he's better. I'd personally take Hurts over him right now for this specific Eagles team.

But I will say that when it comes to evaluating individual players, championships are one of the more overrated things. That's a team accomplishment, not a player accomplishment. And some players are regarded as "Playoff losers" until they aren't. Those narratives have short shelf lives. Peyton Manning was considered a playoff loser and then eventually got two rings. All it takes is one great playoff game--which has a lot of circumstances behind it--to turn someone into having a reputation of being a playoff choker to not anymore. If it's that easy, it shows you how flimsy the argument was to begin with. So many things go into success, that eventually I just cut through the BS and go purely by eye test. I watch guys play in the regular season and playoffs and just go based on that with who'd I'd want on my team.

So when I'd pick Hurts for the Eagles over Herbert. It isn't that he's won a title(technically two since SB57 was stolen) and Herbert hasn't per se. It's that I think he has an unflappable nature to him and he handles pressure well. That is a skill, and I see it when I watch him play. Plus he's accurate and his legs make him a threat and hard to defend. Maybe Herbert will prove he has that unflappable nature too and we just haven't seen it due to circumstances beyond his control.

But if it was all about playoff success then you'd have to put Eli Manning above Drew Brees, Rodgers, Marino, Lamar, Burrow, Josh Allen, etc on all-time QB lists, and anyone who would do that is crazy.