24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The most Dallas thing would be to announce a big extension for him before he plays a down for the team. Meanwhile, Parsons is still waiting.

Frankly, you don't make a deal like this for a guy like Pickens, without a deal in place. So, yeah... it fits.

Howie's got to be itching to make a trade. He hasn't done anything aggressive this offseason yet. I get it and that's the situation we're in for good reasons but it still is against his nature

18 hours ago, NOTW said:

I haven't caught up on many pages, sorry if posted. But really good insight here, especially on the politics of the competition committee basically being coerced by the league to push for rule changes they want to see. He also explains that the Packers proposal was too vague because it said "immediate" pushing of a player. How do you define immediate? How many seconds after the snap?

Banning all player pushing opens up a can of worms. RBs and WRs get pushed over the line for 1st downs and touchdowns a lot too. And what about defense, can they push a player to keep them from crossing the goal line? It's stupid.

All this because ONE team in the NFL is dominant at a play. The Eagles will still convert a high percentage of QB sneaks because the line is so good.

Florio's takes on this debate have been great (for a change). He's constantly highlighting the hypocrisy and issues with the ban, and as usual with the NFL and Goodell, they can't supply any real answers to questions he's asking. Its a weak proposed rule change by a weak man;.

I'd respect Goodell if he just came out and said we're banning it because they are too good at it. At least then we're getting some honesty that the NFL wants to turn itself into a mix of flag football and the NBA.

I propose the Mahomes Flop rule be implemented in the NFL., If a player initiates contact as a means to draw a flag or fakes contact,. its an immediate ejection and fine. We don't want plays against the spirit of the game to be permitted do we?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Frankly, you don't make a deal like this for a guy like Pickens, without a deal in place. So, yeah... it fits.

You do if you think it helps the team in the immediate season. A 3rd round pick for a 1-year rental. We've done it for a half season rental. Understanding that the player is likely to get a sizable raise the following season which could bring a similar return in the comp formula.

You don't do things just because of comp picks, but dallas is a team that lately doesn't spend high in free agency and productive WRs are getting huge FA deals. They would most likely get a 3 or a 4 back in return if he leaves.

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Frankly, you don't make a deal like this for a guy like Pickens, without a deal in place. So, yeah... it fits.

Or maybe they made the trade with the expectation he is on good behavior for a year and gets a good contract somewhere else while Dallas collects a comp pick.

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You do if you think it helps the team in the immediate season. A 3rd round pick for a 1-year rental. We've done it for a half season rental. Understanding that the player is likely to get a sizable raise the following season which could bring a similar return in the comp formula.

You don't do things just because of comp picks, but dallas is a team that lately doesn't spend high in free agency and productive WRs are getting huge FA deals. They would most likely get a 3 or a 4 back in return if he leaves.

Beat me to it.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Or maybe they made the trade with the expectation he is on good behavior for a year and gets a good contract somewhere else while Dallas collects a comp pick.

That's a high price for a rental... that then limits any free agent activity they could carry on next year. Do you think Dallas' front office is thinking that far into the future?

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You do if you think it helps the team in the immediate season. A 3rd round pick for a 1-year rental. We've done it for a half season rental. Understanding that the player is likely to get a sizable raise the following season which could bring a similar return in the comp formula.

You don't do things just because of comp picks, but dallas is a team that lately doesn't spend high in free agency and productive WRs are getting huge FA deals. They would most likely get a 3 or a 4 back in return if he leaves.

We did do it for a half-season rental and it was a stupid move when we did it. What a terrible trade that was. And along those lines, I don't think this is a good move for Dallas... but it definitely is a 'Dallas' move.

One more thing on the trade: When Mike Tomlin says he’s done with a diva WR the rest of the NFL should listen.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a high price for a rental... that then limits any free agent activity they could carry on next year. Do you think Dallas' front office is thinking that far into the future?

They don’t tend to be real active in FA anyway.

8 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You do if you think it helps the team in the immediate season. A 3rd round pick for a 1-year rental. We've done it for a half season rental. Understanding that the player is likely to get a sizable raise the following season which could bring a similar return in the comp formula.

You don't do things just because of comp picks, but dallas is a team that lately doesn't spend high in free agency and productive WRs are getting huge FA deals. They would most likely get a 3 or a 4 back in return if he leaves.

That would mean Pickens would get a Aj Brown/JJ/Chase/Lamb type of deal if he hits FA. I'm sure he wants that but I don't see him getting it. If they don't sign him and he goes to FA I think they would get a 5th or 6th comp pick.

Burrow. I'm always thinking Allen is going to get injured after trying to break a tackle

We gave up similar value for Jahan freaking Dotson. It’s not a bad move for Dallas.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Burrow. I'm always thinking Allen is going to get injured after trying to break a tackle

Burrow is a smoother pure passer and less reliant on athleticism, which should age better considering they are both 28. He also has beaten Mahomes in the playoffs. Going Burrow on that one.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

That would mean Pickens would get a Aj Brown/JJ/Chase/Lamb type of deal if he hits FA. I'm sure he wants that but I don't see him getting it. If they don't sign him and he goes to FA I think they would get a 5th or 6th comp pick.

This level makes the most sense. Some may say that his production was limited in Pittsburgh due to their style of offense and lack of a QB. But, in Dallas, he's still the #2 option behind Lamb. And Dak has never really been good at hitting his secondary weapon at WR. If Dak's track record holds... Pickens is looking at about 800 yards at the most. That doesn't scream 'mega deal' to me. He'll likely get overpaid compared to his production, nearly all free agents do, but I don't see it rising to a 3rd or even a 4th round comp pick.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We gave up similar value for Jahan freaking Dotson. It’s not a bad move for Dallas.

Pickens has the ability to be the unquestioned best WR in the NFL. He is not. The reason for that is the reason his trade compensation was the similar to Dotson's.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Burrow. I'm always thinking Allen is going to get injured after trying to break a tackle

Burrow. Allen has a higher ceiling and when he's on, he's on. But he also has a lower floor and a riskier style of play leading to more turnovers. Burrow is more steady and has a higher floor.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We gave up similar value for Jahan freaking Dotson. It’s not a bad move for Dallas.

One trade being bad doesn't automatically make another trade good. Both can be bad, but of varying degrees.

32 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Florio's takes on this debate have been great (for a change). He's constantly highlighting the hypocrisy and issues with the ban, and as usual with the NFL and Goodell, they can't supply any real answers to questions he's asking. Its a weak proposed rule change by a weak man;.

I'd respect Goodell if he just came out and said we're banning it because they are too good at it. At least then we're getting some honesty that the NFL wants to turn itself into a mix of flag football and the NBA.

I propose the Mahomes Flop rule be implemented in the NFL., If a player initiates contact as a means to draw a flag or fakes contact,. its an immediate ejection and fine. We don't want plays against the spirit of the game to be permitted do we?

I wouldn't give Florio too much credit, as he's a contrarian... the nation detests the shove, so he's our ally today basking in our reflected hate.

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We gave up similar value for Jahan freaking Dotson. It’s not a bad move for Dallas.

This speaks to both Howie overpaying and George Pickens being an absolute psychopath.

Great trade for the Cowboys. Not sure why the Steelers did that though. Metcalf and Pickens was a nice duo.

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’d be surprised if it’s not Rams/Eagles opening night

Yep that's my pick when I did my full schedule prediction. Makes sense for the NFL amd Eagles get a little say in it and I think the organization would love a chance to embarrass them in that game after they have openly been against the tush push.

Bears I think though are a very real possibility as well. Kind of how the Lions opened up against the Chiefs in 2023.

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pickens has the ability to be the unquestioned best WR in the NFL. He is not. The reason for that is the reason his trade compensation was the similar to Dotson's.

I think you are overstating Pickens talent.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

One trade being bad doesn't automatically make another trade good. Both can be bad, but of varying degrees.

I like the dynamics of this trade a bit better, as Pickens will be the WR2 on a team that needed an X. We traded for a WR3, that doesn't get looks from the QB or play designs from the coaches and has to be rationalized as injury insurance. Our move seems out of step with the draft pick or low level vet (Olamide Zaccheaus) that is adequate for the role.

Pickens is pretty good, but this isn’t a needle mover