Each one of San Fran's QBs threw an INT last night, and no TDs.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you recall, Demps said he didnt give effort because the thought the job was his and took it for granted. He was a talented player and blew his opportunity. Thats what that reference is about.

There seems to be an effort issue with Ringo. And I was the first one to reply on here after that game saying that Im not panicking about the performance of our corners in that game because that was 0 coverage and we arent going to be playing a lot of man in the regular season. So youre not telling me anything about overreaction.

You're overreacting to a discussion.

Ringo's demeanor in the locker room interview was sheepish. The catch wasnt an issue, the missed tackle is, so youre missing the point on that one. And the hip turn about 2 seconds slower than Blankenship's is an effort issue not a skill issue. There are enough hints to begin speculation about a Demps situation occurring now. This is a compiling pile of evidence, not a knee jerk reaction to 1 event.

And yes, it is to early to know. Thats why no one other than in your imagine is speaking in absolutes.

Quite the straw man you have there. I never said anyone is speaking in absolutes. You are however making inferences about his mental fortitude and playing ability based on things like demeanor in an interview and an out-of-context training camp drill, which again I find kinda silly. Your "hints to begin speculation" are mostly nonsense outside of a bad missed tackle. Which ironically is one of the things that hasn't been a concern with Ringo before so here's hoping it was a blip.

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Quite the straw man you have there. I never said anyone is speaking in absolutes. You are however making inferences about his mental fortitude and playing ability based on things like demeanor in an interview and an out-of-context training camp drill, which again I find kinda silly. Your "hints to begin speculation" are mostly nonsense outside of a bad missed tackle. Which ironically is one of the things that hasn't been a concern with Ringo before so here's hoping it was a blip.

You said people were overreacting and it was to early to know. No one has said they know. Knowing, would be an absolute, and an overreaction. Thats your strawman. Nice try.

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

You are however making inferences about his mental fortitude and playing ability based on things like demeanor in an interview and an out-of-context training camp drill, which again I find kinda silly. Your "hints to begin speculation" are mostly nonsense outside of a bad missed tackle. Which ironically is one of the things that hasn't been a concern with Ringo before so here's hoping it was a blip.

...in your opinion...

welcome to the discussion. Next time dont come in with silly accusations and strawmen.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

NO just drafted Tyler Shough in the 2nd, and he hasn’t beaten out Rattler yet - but yeah I expect Kellen was asking around about McKee early on given the weakness of the last QB class.

If they expected a 2nd rounder to win the starting job, they’re in trouble.

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

If they expected a 2nd rounder to win the starting job, they’re in trouble.

Given the aged roster/cap hell/QB situation I expect them to tank hard.

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Given the aged roster/cap hell/QB situation I expect them to tank hard.

I think that's the best case scenario for them honestly. Tank. Trade Kamara at the deadline, play any young guys they have, accumulate draft capital and go full rebuild.

12 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Given the aged roster/cap hell/QB situation I expect them to tank hard.

Yep. If Moore wins 5+ games he should get consideration for coach of the year

14 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Cowboys look like a train wreck

Gee, that's too bad.

😂 😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣

13 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

but what browser do people use on PC for the board? I use Edge but they added this global media control that I absolutely hate

Firefox. That, uBlock origin and noscript provide a usable experience. Noscript can be a pain to start while it learns what to allow and what to block. It does remember once you 'tell' it what to do. I'm using Ubuntu, I don't know how Firefox performs on Windows. There were complaints it was too slow, I've never noticed that. It does happen that some web sites don't perform correctly with Firefox. I find that usually if I enable trouble shooting mode ( help > trouble shoot) they work as expected. I also have traditional menus enabled. Traditional menus are a little more involved - a few more clicks but not bad once you know how. It's too bad that web developers don't seem to be aware that there are more browsers in the world than Chrome and Chrome Lite (Edge).

I downloaded Opera when Chrome became uncompatible with Ublock. Opera seemed to work well.

But I dont visit many sites that have ad issues so Ive since switched back to Chrome.

12 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think the Jake Elliott cliff is coming sooner rather than later.

It may depend on how he looks this year. Lovato may not have done him any favors, plus there were rumors Elliot was injured.

6 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

It may depend on how he looks this year. Lovato may not have done him any favors, plus there were rumors Elliot was injured.

Lovato struggled last year and definitely hurt. But in warmups at games, pregame and halfime when there is no snapper, and Elliott is just setting the ball up to kick it- he didnt have the same leg. So it seemed his accuracy issues stemmed from just trying to hit the ball harder to compensate. And he would miss a bunch of those kicks too.

QB competition brewing in Dallas!

Just found out a few minutes ago that the league is now allowing kickers to break in the K-balls that they kick with. Instead of giving them (roughly) an hour before the game after opening up the box, they are giving them DAYS to soften them up. I would expect kicking percentages and distance numbers will go up dramatically this year.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Now I'm questioning everything about Ringo.

Looks like a warm up rep…but he has bricks for feet there and terrible weight transfer.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We don’t really play up at the LoS, so Ringo can play with cushion or half turned facing the QB. These are remedies to getting burnt over the top (if he can locate the ball), but it means he has to be very efficient limiting the YAC from the throws underneath.

Not really, he’s best N/S, lateral cuts were always the bane of his existence. Cushion, he struggles sticking and bursting. Half turn is very hard to keep the play in front of you and react. Really only works in bail coverage. Honestly I’d have to watch him more to see where his instincts are, but he’s going to struggle badly if his instincts aren’t S tier with his stiff hips.

There’s a few that were high on him based off his reps last year, i didn’t really break any of them down but on the surface, personally wasn’t impressed and thought his flaws were pretty visible. At the bottom line, it boils down to poor technique and in the history of the NFL only PP, Green and Sanders had the raw athleticism to overcome any technical flaws.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Not really, he’s best N/S, lateral cuts were always the bane of his existence. Cushion, he struggles sticking and bursting. Half turn is very hard to keep the play in front of you and react. Really only works in bail coverage. Honestly I’d have to watch him more to see where his instincts are, but he’s going to struggle badly if his instincts aren’t S tier with his stiff hips.

There’s a few that were high on him based off his reps last year, i didn’t really break any of them down but on the surface, personally wasn’t impressed and thought his flaws were pretty visible.

I was always in the Rodgers is much better camp last year. Kinda wish they kept him. But I did have hopes that they could develop Ringo and he would be ready for this year. Trusted that they were high on him to let Rodgers walk for his low price. So far, hes not shown us why the team had that confidence.

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was always in the Rodgers is much better camp last year. Kinda wish they kept him. But I did have hopes that they could develop Ringo and he would be ready for this year. Trusted that they were high on him to let Rodgers walk for his low price. So far, hes not shown us why the team had that confidence.

Still early. Time will tell.

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

all well and good.... for a kid that just walked on to the high school field for the first time not sure which position he is even going to play yet, just trying things out.

Year 3? in the NFL after playing the position at one of the biggest college programs there is? He better be doing it with more speed.

From when I was in junior high on, starting after spring practice until three a days, that was part of the exercise routine. It isn’t a speed drill. It’s not natural to backpedal and turn. It’s designed to make that more natural. And you practice turning both ways. That’s the hardest part because most everyone has a natural "lead foot”. Next time you are on a field (pretty regular for you), go to a line, backpedal five to ten yards, flip toward your natural lead foot, then step into a burst. Now try flipping away from your natural lead foot so the other foot is lead and burst. Were you able to do both at the same speed? Were you able to stay straight on the line the whole time without focusing on it. That’s what you want. Speed comes with doing it repeatedly so the motion becomes more natural because of muscle memory.

Let’s talk about a couple of the plays in the game. The Chase TD. Ringo is giving a seven foot cushion. Hips have nothing to do with the Chase catch. Chase cuts for the catch and Kelee bursts towards the catch and Chase cuts. Ringo misjudged where Chase was and overruns him. That step was enough and Chase took it to the house. Fangio was absolutely correct that what he was mad about was Ringo missed the tackle. Also demonstrates why Chase is so damn good. There was a play by Jackson where the receiver caught the ball (Jackson was giving cushion all night but mostly keeping the play in front of him). Jackson flips away from the receiver so he can lead coming out of the flip with his right foot. Receiver goes out of bounds which was lucky for Jackson. Both miscues by the CB but in my view (regardless of the result) the miscue by Jackson was more egregious because he flips so he can’t see the receiver. Both teachable moments. No panic mode necessary at this point.

Sidenote, I tried to screenshot from the All22 and failed, yet again. JR showed me how with the NFL+ app, but I need to figure out how to screenshot from my IPad mini. It’s preseason for me too.

18 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Just found out a few minutes ago that the league is now allowing kickers to break in the K-balls that they kick with. Instead of giving them (roughly) an hour before the game after opening up the box, they are giving them DAYS to soften them up. I would expect kicking percentages and distance numbers will go up dramatically this year.

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

From when I was in junior high on, starting after spring practice until three a days, that was part of the exercise routine. It isn’t a speed drill. It’s not natural to backpedal and turn. It’s designed to make that more natural. And you practice turning both ways. That’s the hardest part because most everyone has a natural "lead foot”. Next time you are on a field (pretty regular for you), go to a line, backpedal five to ten yards, flip toward your natural lead foot, then step into a burst. Now try flipping away from your natural lead foot so the other foot is lead and burst. Were you able to do both at the same speed? Were you able to stay straight on the line the whole time without focusing on it. That’s what you want. Speed comes with doing it repeatedly so the motion becomes more natural because of muscle memory.

Let’s talk about a couple of the plays in the game. The Chase TD. Ringo is giving a seven foot cushion. Hips have nothing to do with the Chase catch. Chase cuts for the catch and Kelee bursts towards the catch and Chase cuts. Ringo misjudged where Chase was and overruns him. That step was enough and Chase took it to the house. Fangio was absolutely correct that what he was mad about was Ringo missed the tackle. Also demonstrates why Chase is so damn good. There was a play by Jackson where the receiver caught the ball (Jackson was giving cushion all night but mostly keeping the play in front of him). Jackson flips away from the receiver so he can lead coming out of the flip with his right foot. Receiver goes out of bounds which was lucky for Jackson. Both miscues by the CB but in my view (regardless of the result) the miscue by Jackson was more egregious because he flips so he can’t see the receiver. Both teachable moments. No panic mode necessary at this point.

Sidenote, I tried to screenshot from the All22 and failed, yet again. JR showed me how with the NFL+ app, but I need to figure out how to screenshot from my IPad mini. It’s preseason for me too.

Always appreciate your insight

15 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Cowboys look like a train wreck

I don't think we need to take pleasure in another team's shortcomings to enjoy this upcoming football season.

Nah, just kidding. F' the Cowboys forever.

49 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Lovato struggled last year and definitely hurt. But in warmups at games, pregame and halfime when there is no snapper, and Elliott is just setting the ball up to kick it- he didnt have the same leg. So it seemed his accuracy issues stemmed from just trying to hit the ball harder to compensate. And he would miss a bunch of those kicks too.

I wonder. Note that last year Mann handled most kickoffs. Thursday, that was Elliott. I think there were two issues. One, Lovato had a poor year and two, Elliott had some issue, probably a minor leg issue that was enough to draw an injury designation but enough to effect him some.

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

No hips. But we kinda knew that

He doesn't have room to dog reps either. And he was dogging that one. THAT concerns me.

And his post-game interview left me concerned. He tends toward quiet (which is fine), but he had that defensive vibe going on. CBs, more than any position, have to shake it off. They are going to get beat since the game is designed that way.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Hate the CB slant we see more in college these days. Can be manipulated by the receiver just like lining up inside or outside of the receiver. Easier to read the CB and thus coverage.

I kind of figured the off and slanted aspect was to give the WR the suggestion to break inward toward S/LB help, essentially cheese to cut down the route tree available and to play into the hands of the more twitched up CBs… for the more pedestrian CBs, I agree.