7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would add if they also got better offensive line play in the playoff game against the Eagles, that game might’ve been different. Jalen Carter absolutely destroyed them. I’d argue if Jalen Carter didn’t play one of the best games of his career in that game, Eagles might not win another Super Bowl. There’s a chance they lose that game.

Barkley had 4 60+ yard carries against the Rams, with huge holes. Eagles ran for 599 yards in the two games. If they Rams could play defense they may have had a chance, but they couldn't.

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

I don't think Chiefs win the AFC. Bills and Bengals will have something to say. Hell the Bronocs have a really good defense. Rams are being overrated. Defense is full of young ascending talent. Don't trust their oline, Stafford staying healthy, or their ability to stop the run. NFC West is wide open

If the bengals didn’t have a crap defense I’d agree. I think they run into the same issues as last year. Score a lot but give up a lot. Imo either ravens or bills take them out. Imo chiefs getting rice back is a big addition. The chiefs really depend on their oline being better.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Barkley had 4 60+ yard carries against the Rams, with huge holes. Eagles ran for 599 yards in the two games. If they Rams could play defense they may have had a chance, but they couldn't.

Rams nearly came back and won the playoff game even with Barkley doing that. So they definitely had a chance to advance at the end of that game. It was 3rd and 2 from inside the red zone at the 13 with 1:14 left. Carter wrecking their last two plays is what ultimately prevented the rams from doing it. (I’d add a rams team playing in the snow and dealing with wild fires effecting them in LA where they basically didn’t know what was going to happen with their families or homes.) They lost by 6 with a shot to win that game within the red zone even with Barkley going nuts. Jalen Carter’s strip of Williams, sack of Stafford on 3rd down on the rams final drive (if Stafford had time he had an open receiver in the end zone. Carter absolutely came up massive to hold off the rams. It’s why baun said what he did) and then pressure to force the throw on 4th down.

I’d point out the eagles won by six, eagles defense created 2 turnovers which gave the eagles offense the ball inside the red zone at the 9 yard line and inside rams territory at the 38. Led to 6 points. That game might have not been close if the rams defense didn’t hold the eagles to 2 FGs after rams offense put them in a really tough spot.

Don’t disagree the rams win that game if their defense did a better job vs. Barkley. However they also win if their offensive line protected Stafford better and eagles defense didn’t take advantage of it.

More on Burrow as a fraud

0-7 in shootouts last year

Could not put up 17 points vs 4-13 New England

Wins vs

3-14 Cleveland x2

3-14 Giants

3-14 Titans

4-13 Vegas

5-12 Carolina

7-10 Dallas

19 points vs 10-7 Pittsburgh

And one very nice OT win vs 10-7 Denver

This is what Elite QB play is now? I'll take SBs instead.

SoV = 48-105 or .457 (23rd of 32)

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Fun year coming up in the NFL. The Eagles have to compensate and adjust for the sweeping changes necessitated by post-SB FA's. It's popular to hate on the Chiefs because there was so much fan fatigue and zebra related consternation from them...and the Eagles may have broken them in the SB.

But when I look at the best teams in the NFL...I feel like its the Eagles, then the Chiefs, then no one else in the conversation.

The Lions were a juggernaut last year, but the wheels fell off...and I'm not sure they've screwed them back on properly. The Rams, I respect. That young defense is dangerous and Stafford can turn it on when he needs to. So that's not a team I'll enjoy in the playoffs. But are they in the elite conversation? Absolutely not. Commanders? No matter how popular of a pick they are, I just don't see it.

The AFC? We only have to worry about the team that escapes. And I really, really struggle to see how anyone is going to dethrone the Chiefs. The Bills are great, but at this point I just can't believe in them. They are only getting to the SB if the Chiefs aren't in the way. Josh Allen is incredible, but the net talent on that team is regressing.

Obviously, some teams will surge and have great years. But right now...Eagles Chiefs round 3 feels like a pretty solid bet for the next SB. Based off pure statistics, I guess the smart money would take the field, but it's really hard to see any team in either conference being favored over the Eagles or Chiefs in a playoff game.

I like the Ravens in the AFC. Think this is the year they get over the hump.

17 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

More on Burrow as a fraud

0-7 in shootouts last year

Could not put up 17 points vs 4-13 New England

Wins vs

3-14 Cleveland x2

3-14 Giants

3-14 Titans

4-13 Vegas

5-12 Carolina

7-10 Dallas

19 points vs 10-7 Pittsburgh

And one very nice OT win vs 10-7 Denver

This is what Elite QB play is now? I'll take SBs instead.

SoV = 48-105 or .457 (23rd of 32)

Just saying burrow lost to commanders, ravens (x2) and Steelers scoring 33, 38, 34, 38 points. He also threw for over 300 yards in each of those games, his Qb rating was over 105 in each of those games (121.4 avg) and had 15 TD passes and 2 ints. The bengals scored 38 points or more 3 times. They went 1-2. The bengals defense somehow statistically managed to be worse than the 2023 eagles. You know how bad the eagles defense was in 2023? Bengals managed to somehow manage to be worse. I’d add burrow dealing with a Cheap and crap owner and a perpetually bad oline

Just for fun… who do you all think are the 5 most valuable Eagles? Not necessarily the best players, but most valuable as it pertains to wins and losses.

My 5…

1. Brown

2. Carter

3. Hurts

4. Mitchell

5. Lane

As good as Barkley is, the 1-2 punch of Shipley and Dillon would be just fine if the rest of the team were healthy.

I put Mitchell at 4 because the #2 CB spot clearly appears to be the weakest starting spot on the whole team.

18 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I like the Ravens in the AFC. Think this is the year they get over the hump.

Only reason I’m taking Buffalo over the ravens is simply cause i think buffalo’s schedule sets up for them to get a 1 seed. Division stinks. They have tough games against Baltimore, KC, Tampa, Houston, bengals and eagles. Only one on the road is Houston

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Just for fun… who do you all think are the 5 most valuable Eagles? Not necessarily the best players, but most valuable as it pertains to wins and losses.

My 5…

1. Brown

2. Carter

3. Hurts

4. Mitchell

5. Lane

As good as Barkley is, the 1-2 punch of Shipley and Dillon would be just fine if the rest of the team were healthy.

I put Mitchell at 4 because the #2 CB spot clearly appears to be the weakest starting spot on the whole team.

Barkley turned two or three losses into wins in the first half of last season with his home run ability. He was the NFL MVP in the truest definition, IMO.

My list would be Barkley, Brown, Hurts, Lane, Carter …. although we might find out the hard way just how valuable Dickerson is if he misses more games than expected

I can’t believe how far we’ve come.

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Just for fun… who do you all think are the 5 most valuable Eagles? Not necessarily the best players, but most valuable as it pertains to wins and losses.

My 5…

1. Brown

2. Carter

3. Hurts

4. Mitchell

5. Lane

As good as Barkley is, the 1-2 punch of Shipley and Dillon would be just fine if the rest of the team were healthy.

I put Mitchell at 4 because the #2 CB spot clearly appears to be the weakest starting spot on the whole team.

Thats a good 1-2 punch for a lot of offenses, but we have an unspeakable situation here where we NEED a dominant running game. Those guys wouldnt be enough here.

Now that we have a better idea of Dickerson’s recovery timeline we’re going to quit the S with Toth as the top LG right? Right?!?!

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Now that we have a better idea of Dickerson’s recovery timeline we’re going to quit the S with Toth as the top LG right? Right?!?!

I was wondering if this would scare Howie in to making a move. It seems scary to think of one of those guys as the full season starter.

But as someone alluded to, our backup OL played pretty well against Cincy starters the other night. So maybe the eagles feel ok with these guys.

18 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats a good 1-2 punch for a lot of offenses, but we have an unspeakable situation here where we NEED a dominant running game. Those guys wouldnt be enough here.

The Chiefs completely sold out to stop Barkley in the Super Bowl and they were successful. It was irrelevant because our defense dominated but the run game was far from dominant that game.

If needed, I think Brown and Smith could have gone for 150+ each that game. They were single covered the whole game.

Barkley is a stud but before last season, when was the last time a team with an All-pro caliber RB won the Super Bowl? The Seahawks with Lynch?

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The Chiefs completely sold out to stop Barkley in the Super Bowl and they were successful. It was irrelevant because our defense dominated but the run game was far from dominant that game.

If needed, I think Brown and Smith could have gone for 150+ each that game. They were single covered the whole game.

Barkley is a stud but before last season, when was the last time a team with an All-pro caliber RB won the Super Bowl? The Seahawks with Lynch?

You think the Chiefs would have played it the same way if we didnt have Barkley though?

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The Chiefs completely sold out to stop Barkley in the Super Bowl and they were successful. It was irrelevant because our defense dominated but the run game was far from dominant that game.

If needed, I think Brown and Smith could have gone for 150+ each that game. They were single covered the whole game.

Barkley is a stud but before last season, when was the last time a team with an All-pro caliber RB won the Super Bowl? The Seahawks with Lynch?

I’ve been wrong about Hurts, twice now. So I’m not trying to take something away from him. But it’s OK to say it when we are simply acknowledging Barkley’s greatness. Barkley is the reason Hurts was the SB MVP. Exactly as you said, they sold out to stop Barkley and forced Hurts to beat them, which he did. But we wouldn’t see that kind of passing effectiveness if they weren’t designing the defense as a reflection of how petrified they were of Barkley.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You think the Chiefs would have played it the same way if we didnt have Barkley though?

Yes. They didn’t sell out to stop the run the year we lost to them in the SB

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

You think the Chiefs would have played it the same way if we didnt have Barkley though?

Of course not. You stated that we need a dominant run game to succeed. Any offense with a dominant run game will be better than if they didn’t. Look how bad the offense was last season when Brown was hurt…

Barkley is great and I think he has 2, maybe 3 more seasons of greatness. I just think there’s at least 5 more valuable players than him currently on the Eagles.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’ve been wrong about Hurts, twice now. So I’m not trying to take something away from him. But it’s OK to say it when we are simply acknowledging Barkley’s greatness. Barkley is the reason Hurts was the SB MVP. Exactly as you said, they sold out to stop Barkley and forced Hurts to beat them, which he did. But we wouldn’t see that kind of passing effectiveness if they weren’t designing the defense as a reflection of how petrified they were of Barkley.

Completely agree. I was just stating that the offense/whole team was successful without the run game being dominant in that game. Yes, the way Barkley dominated that whole season led to Hurts having a great game.

I’m not arguing against Barkley’s value, I just think there’s at least 5 more valuable players currently on this roster.

It’s not meant to be a slight against Barkley. Year 2 Shipley + Dillon >>> Gainwell + rookie Shipley. The players I named ahead of him play more valuable positions and have weaker depth behind them.

It also speaks to how loaded with talent this whole team is.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Of course not. You stated that we need a dominant run game to succeed. Any offense with a dominant run game will be better than if they didn’t. Look how bad the offense was last season when Brown was hurt…

Barkley is great and I think he has 2, maybe 3 more seasons of greatness. I just think there’s at least 5 more valuable players than him currently on the Eagles.

Its your list, Im not telling you to change it. But Id say Barkley was the MVP of the entire season.

3 hours ago, Godfather said:

He can thank his dad for attributing to his slide in the draft

Where are all these guys going to go if Dillon Gabriel puts up Tanner McKee-like numbers against the Eagles next week?

4 hours ago, Godfather said:

I don't think Chiefs win the AFC. Bills and Bengals will have something to say. Hell the Bronocs have a really good defense. Rams are being overrated. Defense is full of young ascending talent. Don't trust their oline, Stafford staying healthy, or their ability to stop the run. NFC West is wide open

The Eagles broke the Chiefs, they're done.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying burrow lost to commanders, ravens (x2) and Steelers scoring 33, 38, 34, 38 points. He also threw for over 300 yards in each of those games, his Qb rating was over 105 in each of those games (121.4 avg) and had 15 TD passes and 2 ints. The bengals scored 38 points or more 3 times. They went 1-2. The bengals defense somehow statistically managed to be worse than the 2023 eagles. You know how bad the eagles defense was in 2023? Bengals managed to somehow manage to be worse. I’d add burrow dealing with a Cheap and crap owner and a perpetually bad oline

That makes him good at fantasy league, not elite in the NFL.

Elite QBs do not need POOR BABY! excuses. Lose to superior Lamar 2x, fine. Lose to Russell Wilson?

If 300+ yard games in losses was a thing than Jameis would not be a backup.

Guys like Drew Brees spent years with terrible Ds. He still found a way to win shootouts like that game vs Eli.

Did Lamar beat Burrow twice because his D held Burrow to all those passing yards?

Hurts had a bad D in 2023. He still beat Josh Allen and Mahomes.

Its debatable if Burrow is even a top 5 elite in-game passer. (no doubt in a combine setting)

Passing yards is a 1984 stat. NY/A is much better for grading a drop back passer. Its (pass yards - sacked yards lost) divided by (pass attempts + sacks)

• Lamar was 1st at 8.09

• Allen was 5th at 7.38

• Burrow was 11th at 6.63

• Hurts was 12th at 6.60

• Mahomes was 26th at 5.98

You can also look at yards per attempt since no QB throws and gets sacked as much as Joe Burrow.

• Lamar was #1 at 8.8 per pass

• Hurts was 4th at 8.0

• Allen was 9th at 7.7

• Burrow was 10th at 7.5

• Mahomes 26th at 6.8

Burrow is #1 all-time in completion % and was 4th in 2024. He's like Brees was in that stat.

That's just as a drop back passer. Add in rushing ability and impact on the D and Hurts. Allen, and Lamar go far past Burrow.

The only thing you can be sure of with Joe Burrow is that he has elite pass catchers and he throws the ball more than anyone else. Of course he's going to have good raw stats and of course he's going to get sacked often (but not at a higher rate than league average)

The 2024 league average in sack % was 6.87%, Burrow was sacked 6.86% (but more sacks because of all the pass happy drop backs)

In 2023 it was 7.15 and Burrow was at 6.17

In 2022 it was 6.70 and Burrow was at 6.34

In 2021 it was 6.23% and Burrow was sacked often at 8.93%

I wonder if there is someone on the Bengals offense who can read the D at the line and call more runs or screens to take advantage of the pass rush...

How about someone who can see the rush and run through the line to pick up some yards and to make them reconsider their all out pressure strategy?

Stop using a 2021 stat and pretending it applies to 2022-2024.

Burrow is a better Herbert. He got to a SB and he's won playoff games. He puts up very nice raw stat numbers and had a really nice passer rating this year.

He does not belong with Hurts, Allen, and Jackson right now.

He did not elevate his team to victory in 2024. he had an easy path to beating a row of garbage and he tripped on New England.

He had 7 opportunities to make up for that loss by winning a single shootout with awesome WRs. He never did.

Thanks yet again for ranking Randall Cunningham as the GoaT

Every POOR BABY! QB rating leads to Randall as the best football player in NFL History when you factor in his POOR BABY!

• terrible lines

• SB competition

• idiot offensive coaches

• no run game outside of himself

• missed a SB because of a kicker shank

• learned by being forced to play 3rd and long only

• etc etc

I love Randall but he's not the best. Do you love Joe Burrow? What's with all the slurping?

You know your argument really sucks if it boils down to Burrow is great because of all the good things his team does and his team sucks because of all the bad things his team does. Its weird how you can take the QB out of the team sport like that for raw numbers but then drop him back in for sacks and losses.

Burrow also made the decision of his own free will to both take the money from Cincy and to be PAY THAT GUY assistant GM.

An excuse that he is where he took the money to stay is pathetic.

He could have demanded a trade like Carson Palmer or he could be going into franchise tag year 1 like Kirk Cousins in DC.

He bought into Mike Brown and the Bengals organization. Its not a valid excuse.

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The Eagles broke the Chiefs, they're done.

They were done last year. They lost 3 playoff games. The refs cheated them to the SB.

That's not opinion. It actually happened.

The refs sustained 2 KC TD drives vs Houston with phantom calls to favor Mahomes in a 9 point win.

The refs pretended a pick or incompletion was a KC catch and they missed the 1st down yardage on both 3rd and 4th down vs Buffalo.

The MVP of both KC playoff wins was a referee.

They did not belong in the SB and it showed.

This is not an anti KC take, its reality.

The refs stole the Tennessee vs KC Mariota playoff game from KC with 2 phantom forward progress calls on Mariota fumbles.

Reality is not for or against KC, its just reality.