I find it funny that the NCAA acts like they actually care about academics given the state of NIL, the portal etc.

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cam Rising is retiring from college football. rather than playing for Utah this year. He's about to turn 26 next week. Jalen Hurts is 26 (granted he's 27 in August). Wild how long some of these guys have stayed in college. I always liked watching Rising play.

Cam had a cool mustache, thats about all I can say about him

3 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I’m going to go out on a limb and say 0 will attend…due to other obligations.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, Mahomes' 3 Super Bowls and 3 SB MVPs have him in the top 10 all-time discussion already.

I agree, Hurts would have to win the next two super bowls to say he's better than Mahomes. I guess we'll just have to be ok with that.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

After that last performance? None of the QBs currently playing are likely top 3 all time and I am not sure that any are top ten all time.

Yes, even after that last performance. And no, none of the current crop are likely in the top 10 all-time, I never said they were. But some want to put Hurts on a pedestal and don't want to hear anything but effusive praise for him. He was very good in the Super Bowl. He was very good all year, at what they asked him to do. What they didn't ask him to do was to carry the offense on the strength of his arm. And that's fine. This team is built to bully their opponents. The Eagles are at their best offensively when they can do that, and Hurts helps them in that with his style as well.

But, as good as he was in that one game, I would still put Hurts outside the current top 3, all things being equal. The question was asked, if you were starting over, who would you want at QB... and I wouldn't put Hurts at the top of that list. I'd want a QB that I could lean on more to carry the team. Fortunately, this team doesn't need that and has a team that the QB can lean on... and this team rode that recipe all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Why? He doesn't throw as much but when he does he is successful.

Why not? If we are talking about all the variables, why eliminate some?

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Yeah, Mahomes' 3 Super Bowls and 3 SB MVPs have him in the top 10 all-time discussion already.

Did Bradshaw's 4 Super Bowls and 2 SB MVPs get him in the conversation?

BTW, SB MVP is a meaningless stat. The MVP awards have become impossible for any player other than a QB to win these days, but back in the old days, other positions had a much higher probability.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Why not? If we are talking about all the variables, why eliminate some?

So the amount of passing attempts rather than the success rate of the passing attempts means more?

Here are some fun playoff passing stats for Hurts:

6 playoff games, 258 passing attempts, 43 per game, 66.8% completion, 10 TD, 3 INT, 10 rushing TD. Like I said, he rises to the occasion when it matters most. Likely, several of his rushing TDs were in the playoffs were the result of passing plays stopped inside the 5 yard line.

3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

So the amount of passing attempts rather than the success rate of the passing attempts means more?

Here are some fun playoff passing stats for Hurts:

6 playoff games, 258 passing attempts, 43 per game, 66.8% completion, 10 TD, 3 INT, 10 rushing TD. Like I said, he rises to the occasion when it matters most. Likely, several of his rushing TDs were in the playoffs were the result of passing plays stopped inside the 5 yard line.

You are making up stats now. 9 playoff games, not 6. 256 attempts in those games does not equal 43 attempts per game. It's actually 28.4 attempts per game. And, that seems to be the magic number. More than 28 attempts, they lost those games. Fewer than 28.4 attempts, they won. Like I said, they are built to lean on the entire offense, and not just his arm. When they have to rely on just his arm, the outcome is usually not great. This team is at its best when its bullying their opponent with the running game and not airing it out. Usually, when the running game falters, so does the team. The most recent Super Bowl, even with as well as he played... he still only had 22 attempts. And the Eagles ran the ball 45 times.

Hurts completed like 71.4% of his passes in the playoffs. He's easily a top 3 QB in this league but, because he doesn't need to be, you won't see the stats and the attempts. I'm perfectly fine saying he's top 3 and him not needing to show it but in rare cases. It means he's not having to put himself at risk as much and we have a healthy offense.

That said, every QB has something they need to work on. I'd like to see him get through his progressions a little faster. I liked how Moore starting using some flood concepts, to have the routes all develop on one side of the field, making the progressions easier but they can be easy to game plan.

The Mahomes conversations, while anecdotal and funny, seem to gloss over the fact that he is special. Just because he ran into an overwhelming and undeniable defense doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most amazing QB's to ever play the game. Tom Brady was 3-2 in super bowls at age 35. Mahomes has the same record and only turns 30 later this year. He's already in conversations as one of the best and it's still way early in his career. Brady didn't win his 4th until 37.

4 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

Hurts completed like 71.4% of his passes in the playoffs. He's easily a top 3 QB in this league but, because he doesn't need to be, you won't see the stats and the attempts. I'm perfectly fine saying he's top 3 and him not needing to show it but in rare cases. It means he's not having to put himself at risk as much and we have a healthy offense.

That said, every QB has something they need to work on. I'd like to see him get through his progressions a little faster. I liked how Moore starting using some flood concepts, to have the routes all develop on one side of the field, making the progressions easier but they can be easy to game plan.

The Mahomes conversations, while anecdotal and funny, seem to gloss over the fact that he is special. Just because he ran into an overwhelming and undeniable defense doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most amazing QB's to ever play the game. Tom Brady was 3-2 in super bowls at age 35. Mahomes has the same record and only turns 30 later this year. He's already in conversations as one of the best and it's still way early in his career. Brady didn't win his 4th until 37.

Hurts is top 5 to me, but outside top 3. He's either 4 or 5. That seems to rile up some folks that have to have him at the pinnacle of every discussion. I am sorry to those folks. As a football player, his value rises higher than as a QB, for me. To me, to get to the very top of the QB discussion, you'd need to be able to get into a gunslinging duel against another top QB and out duel him through the air. Hurts has never proven to be able to do that, and he hasn't had that many opportunities, given the way this team plays. Maybe someday he will, but he hasn't yet. And the really fortunate thing is, the Eagles generally don't require that to get a win either. So, he's likely the perfect fit for this offense.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are making up stats now. 9 playoff games, not 6. 256 attempts in those games does not equal 43 attempts per game. It's actually 28.4 attempts per game. And, that seems to be the magic number. More than 28 attempts, they lost those games. Fewer than 28.4 attempts, they won. Like I said, they are built to lean on the entire offense, and not just his arm. When they have to rely on just his arm, the outcome is usually not great. This team is at its best when its bullying their opponent with the running game and not airing it out. Usually, when the running game falters, so does the team. The most recent Super Bowl, even with as well as he played... he still only had 22 attempts. And the Eagles ran the ball 45 times.

You're right, 6-3 playoff record. Just went off the wins. My mistake. I'd still take him over both Allen and Burrow. I'm a believer now. He wins, he makes so many plays that positively impact the game, and it looks like he took the advise to me more engaged on the sidelines.

55 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, even after that last performance. And no, none of the current crop are likely in the top 10 all-time, I never said they were. But some want to put Hurts on a pedestal and don't want to hear anything but effusive praise for him. He was very good in the Super Bowl. He was very good all year, at what they asked him to do. What they didn't ask him to do was to carry the offense on the strength of his arm. And that's fine. This team is built to bully their opponents. The Eagles are at their best offensively when they can do that, and Hurts helps them in that with his style as well.

But, as good as he was in that one game, I would still put Hurts outside the current top 3, all things being equal. The question was asked, if you were starting over, who would you want at QB... and I wouldn't put Hurts at the top of that list. I'd want a QB that I could lean on more to carry the team. Fortunately, this team doesn't need that and has a team that the QB can lean on... and this team rode that recipe all the way to a Super Bowl victory.

Are you guys saying Mahomes is not top 10 all time at QB?

Being able to play your best games when the stakes are highest is an important trait in a QB. It's why Eli Manning is getting HOF votes. It's why we got our first Lombardi. It's why Mahomes gets (lol or got) GOAT consideration while Lamar Jackson is just a good QB.

Hurts' playoff performances have earned him a serious bump in whatever franchise QB rankings you want to make, regardless of how you compare regular season/career stats.

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are you guys saying Mahomes is not top 10 all time at QB?

I was saying he might not be. Not definitively... but I have an anti-recency bias bias. The QBs of my childhood have an exalted position in my mind. Montana, Marino, Elway... but then guys like Tarkenton, etc. where do they all fall? He's in the running, but I'm not sure I'd put him there automatically. I haven't sat and thought about where he falls on the list.

When was the last time a QB carried his team and win the SB without much help during the playoffs? I can't recall one over the past 20 years.

• (7) Brady had terrific defenses in all of his super bowls (except against the Falcons and he should have lost had Quinn/Shanahan not choked)

• (3) Mahomes had Hill running like crazy and Shanahan shitting the bed in the first; Andy Reid designing plays against Gannon; and a great defense in the third

• (2) Peyton had an amazing defense in Denver and the run game was good in his SB with Indy (could never win it when he was the whole offense)

• (2) Eli, well, we all know he wasn't the main factor

• (2) Big Ben had the Steelers' defense, including that crazy play by Harrison

• Hurts had a very complete team overall

• Foles was trash vs ATL, he was helped by Alshon, Ertz, Blount, etc.

• Stafford had Kupp, who should have been the MVP that season

• Wilson had the Legion of Boom

• Flacco had the Ravens' dominant defense

• Brees didn't have great names around him but still had a good defense, Sean Payton, the onside kick after half time and a pick 6

• Rodgers had Driver, Jennings and Nelson (you might argue he was the only one on this list winning it by himself)

Football is the ultimate team sport and it's been proven that no QB can win it all with great players and coaches around him. Even if you're freaking amazing and a top 10 all-time like Marino, Manning, Rodgers or Brees.

Less we forget…

11 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We did do it for a half-season rental and it was a stupid move when we did it. What a terrible trade that was. And along those lines, I don't think this is a good move for Dallas... but it definitely is a 'Dallas' move.

I agree that it was stupid, but probably for a different reason than you. We were severely missing a WR that could stretch the field and draw coverage away from the intermediate area of the field. T. Smith was traded and Wallace was signed to be that guy, but he got hurt at the beginning of the season and Mack Hollins had the sports hernia. Agholor was never productive outside and we had a couple other WRs that were really only suited to play slot. What did we trade for? A big name slot WR.

I don't really feel he was a bad addition for dallas. Pickens is entering a contract year and is heading to a team that throws more than Pittsburgh. If Dak plays all season, Pickens will most likely put up top 15-20 numbers.

Pickens is both a good move for Dallas but also doesn’t make them some new threat for the division. There’s definite blow up potential with him specifically and the stooge Head Coach they have in place.

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

ew bluesky

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are making up stats now. 9 playoff games, not 6. 256 attempts in those games does not equal 43 attempts per game. It's actually 28.4 attempts per game. And, that seems to be the magic number. More than 28 attempts, they lost those games. Fewer than 28.4 attempts, they won. Like I said, they are built to lean on the entire offense, and not just his arm. When they have to rely on just his arm, the outcome is usually not great. This team is at its best when its bullying their opponent with the running game and not airing it out. Usually, when the running game falters, so does the team. The most recent Super Bowl, even with as well as he played... he still only had 22 attempts. And the Eagles ran the ball 45 times.

Good stuff. Just goes to show that football is a team sport.