I just realized we are missing out on the potential Aaron Rodgers and George Pickens dynamic. This trade makes me sad.

2 hours ago, Vileborg said:

Hurts completed like 71.4% of his passes in the playoffs. He's easily a top 3 QB in this league but, because he doesn't need to be, you won't see the stats and the attempts. I'm perfectly fine saying he's top 3 and him not needing to show it but in rare cases. It means he's not having to put himself at risk as much and we have a healthy offense.

That said, every QB has something they need to work on. I'd like to see him get through his progressions a little faster. I liked how Moore starting using some flood concepts, to have the routes all develop on one side of the field, making the progressions easier but they can be easy to game plan.

The Mahomes conversations, while anecdotal and funny, seem to gloss over the fact that he is special. Just because he ran into an overwhelming and undeniable defense doesn't change the fact that he's one of the most amazing QB's to ever play the game. Tom Brady was 3-2 in super bowls at age 35. Mahomes has the same record and only turns 30 later this year. He's already in conversations as one of the best and it's still way early in his career. Brady didn't win his 4th until 37.

Top 3? Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow might argue with you on that. I'm comfortable with "Top Four QB" Prior to the Playoffs I'd have said Top Ten, or maybe even Top Fifteen.

53 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Lest we forget…

Hard to forget! Damn near impossible!

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Top 3? Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow might argue with you on that. I'm comfortable with "Top Four QB" Prior to the Playoffs I'd have said Top Ten, or maybe even Top Fifteen.

Allen is better too. I don’t care about stats, Buffalo asks Allen to carry that team without a ton of help.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Hard to forget! Damn near impossible!

The context that has been lost is that the passing offense was nowhere close to a juggernaut and that we were likely one great defensive play away from being out of playoffs. 65 net passing yards, dude.

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Top 3? Mahomes, Jackson, Burrow might argue with you on that. I'm comfortable with "Top Four QB" Prior to the Playoffs I'd have said Top Ten, or maybe even Top Fifteen.

Jackson can't get it done on the big stage.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Allen is better too. I don’t care about stats, Buffalo asks Allen to carry that team without a ton of help.

Good point.

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The context that has been lost is that the passing offense was nowhere close to a juggernaut and that we were likely one great defensive play away from being out of playoffs. 65 net passing yards, dude.

One game dude.

Just as the SB was one game and the NFCCG was one game.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I just realized we are missing out on the potential Aaron Rodgers and George Pickens dynamic. This trade makes me sad.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

One game dude.

Just as the SB was one game and the NFCCG was one game.

That GB wasn’t so hot either. I can go with Jalen being a gamer, but this top-3 business is delusional.

This same polarized discussion about Hurts is taking place in another thread here on the EMB. The three comment dialogue below, especially the bolded part, sums up my thoughts pretty well.

On 5/6/2025 at 4:43 PM, mattwill said:

Ham, who is the best/ prototypical QB ever?

Many people say it is Tom Brady. I am not one of those people. He is clearly the winningest QB ever, but he falls considerably short of the prototypical ideal.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I always really thought highly of Dan Marino….but would say Elway added mobility probably makes him that guy

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Those were my top two. Steve Young is in that conversation, as is Peyton Manning and Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers.

Montana wasn't prototypical, nor was Brady or Brees or Bradshaw. They, like Hurts were winners more than they were prototypical.

The reason I ask is that the people who criticize Hurts are often holding him up to the prototypical standard for comparison. How does he compare to Marino? How does he compare to Elway? My sense is that you don't hold him to that prototypical QB standard, but rather to the winner standard. That causes a real, and understandable, disconnect. My personal belief is that Hurts is BOTH a winner and not a prototypical QB.

6 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Now that Goedert is resolved, at least for this season, extending Blankenship would be next on the list.

Is it though? You can't extend everyone. You gotta have some starters on rookie contracts.

Nothing against Blankenship. He's solid.

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That GB wasn’t so hot either. I can go with Jalen being a gamer, but this top-3 business is delusional.

Delusional? I'm not sure I can agree with that. How do you personally weigh the criticisms of Jackson and Allen not coming through on the Big Stage?

I personally have him in the Top Five (thanks to @Iggles_Phan) Prior to the Playoffs I had him in the Top Ten.

Jalen Hurts is the #1 QB who won the SB this year. That is a fact. That's all I care about

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

This same polarized discussion about Hurts is taking place in another thread here on the EMB. The three comment dialogue below, especially the bolded part, sums up my thoughts pretty well.

What did that poster think about Elway killing his agent?

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Delusional? I'm not sure I can agree with that. How do you personally weigh the criticisms of Jackson and Allen not coming through on the Big Stage?

I personally have him in the Top Five (thanks to @Iggles_Phan) Prior to the Playoffs I had him in the Top Ten.

Their OL didn’t ask the coaching staff to run the ball more because the passing game was ineffective. How do square that with a top 5 QB?

46 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I just realized we are missing out on the potential Aaron Rodgers and George Pickens dynamic. This trade makes me sad.

Someone on XM earlier this week described Pickens as "like he was designed in a lab to annoy Aaron Rodgers" and dammit now I'm sad about it too. The meltdown could have been legendary

Boston is having an all time choke job this series.

Conflicted with the other team being the Knicks but still liking it.

I don't care what anybody says, Hurts is one of the QBs in the NFL!

2 hours ago, beto_eagles said:

When was the last time a QB carried his team and win the SB without much help during the playoffs? I can't recall one over the past 20 years.

• (7) Brady had terrific defenses in all of his super bowls (except against the Falcons and he should have lost had Quinn/Shanahan not choked)

• (3) Mahomes had Hill running like crazy and Shanahan shitting the bed in the first; Andy Reid designing plays against Gannon; and a great defense in the third

• (2) Peyton had an amazing defense in Denver and the run game was good in his SB with Indy (could never win it when he was the whole offense)

• (2) Eli, well, we all know he wasn't the main factor

• (2) Big Ben had the Steelers' defense, including that crazy play by Harrison

• Hurts had a very complete team overall

• Foles was trash vs ATL, he was helped by Alshon, Ertz, Blount, etc.

• Stafford had Kupp, who should have been the MVP that season

• Wilson had the Legion of Boom

• Flacco had the Ravens' dominant defense

• Brees didn't have great names around him but still had a good defense, Sean Payton, the onside kick after half time and a pick 6

• Rodgers had Driver, Jennings and Nelson (you might argue he was the only one on this list winning it by himself)

Football is the ultimate team sport and it's been proven that no QB can win it all with great players and coaches around him. Even if you're freaking amazing and a top 10 all-time like Marino, Manning, Rodgers or Brees.

A few valid points here, but wildly off base take. Eli was absolutely lights out in one of the runs. Flacco, same (it was the retirement party for that D). Foles, same. Brady was the GOAT come playoffs. Arguably only Ben, Peyton and Russell were along for the ride. Then again Ben made one of the best throws in SB history to win his only true one that wasn’t rigged, beating the refs & the NFLs desire to have a feel good movie worthy story about Warner’s come back.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't care what anybody says, Hurts is one of the QBs in the NFL!

He indeed is an NFL QB!

28 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Someone on XM earlier this week described Pickens as "like he was designed in a lab to annoy Aaron Rodgers" and dammit now I'm sad about it too. The meltdown could have been legendary

I wouldn’t be surprised if trading Pickens was on his weird list of demands to sign with a team. Right after getting Allen Lazard for some dumb reason.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

What did that poster think about Elway killing his agent?

Never came up.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Their OL didn’t ask the coaching staff to run the ball more because the passing game was ineffective. How do square that with a top 5 QB?

Lots of people call me a square, but the answer to your question from this square is that football is a team sport.

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Wins matter but they're a team stat so they should be excluded from comparisons. A player can have trash player stats but his team still wins

Huff ring a bell??

I also don't believe in using total stats but that's another topic

Allen and Burrow are better players. It's not an insult to Hurts

Mahomes

Burrow

Allen

Hurts

Lamar

Hurts is an elite QB and one of the best in the NFL but I would take the other three over him. I personally think Burrow is the best pure QB in the league