Just now, justwinbaby said:

His performance was more than 'good enough'. It was one of the best ever. That's just a bad take.

I honestly think if everyone went back and rewatched LIV, they'd see that Hurts played far better than they realized. I did it myself the night after we beat the Rams and had forgotten how amazing some of those throws were. It was part of the reason why I was confident as I was for the rest of the run. I did it a few years ago with the NFCCG against the Rams too, and likewise, I had forgotten how well McNabb played. Granted that was like 20 years ago but I think the end result can taint our memories and skew our assessment of some of the individual performances.

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol sorry. Yes he broke his streak

Not sure who has the biggest streak. I think I saw Peyton has 8 years at one point

I would think Drew Brees with 12.

40 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'm not sure Morey should have said anything differently on the radio. Doesn't mean he won't trade Embiid or George this summer.

Draft lottery in 4 days. Let's cross our fingers for something positive to finally happen.

We should really ask the new pope to bless the sixers and McCain before going to the lottery

54 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You can outplay someone and still lose the game. For reference, see Burrow, Joe at several points last season.

Another question cause manu got a lot of discussion earlier today, who played better in a losing effort: Brady in SB LII or hurts in SB LVII

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Another question cause manu got a lot of discussion earlier today, who played better in a losing effort: Brady in SB LII or hurts in SB LVII

Brady. He absolutely destroyed our defense in the second half (aside from one amazing play by BG.)

1 hour ago, beto_eagles said:

Eli was lights out during his second playoff run, but he would have never reached the SB if not for his defense. They didn't allow more than 20 points during the playoffs, they held the mighty Patriots to 17 total points. He had a dominant Plaxico in the first, prime Victor Cruz in the second.

Flacco should have never reached the AFC Championship game, the Broncos had already won it but the safety (forgot his name) couldn't field the football correctly in the (sort of) Hail Mary that tied the game with 40 seconds left.

My only point is: football is a team sport and no QB can carry his team from week 1 to the SB by himself. They've all had moments of luck, great players around them, excellent coaching or dominant defenses. Some of them, like Foles or Flacco, had their best games when it mattered the most and their performance helped tremendously. That said, nobody will ever claim that Flacco was better than Marino.

1140 12-0. Stop. Clearly nobody is arguing 1v11 but QB is the most important position on the team.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Brady. He absolutely destroyed our defense in the second half (aside from one amazing play by BG.)

That’s where i was going to go. I’d argue his performance in that loss was better than some of his performances in SB wins. Particularly both games against the Rams

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s where i was going to go. I’d argue his performance in that loss was better than some of his performances in SB wins. Particularly both games against the Rams

You know it's got to kill him to this day that he played the game of his career and lost to Nick F'n Foles

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s where i was going to go. I’d argue his performance in that loss was better than some of his performances in SB wins. Particularly both games against the Rams

Wayyy better than those wins, and easily the best performance in a loss in SB history. Just a footnote in the books thanks for Foles having an even more supernatural performance himself.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Another question cause manu got a lot of discussion earlier today, who played better in a losing effort: Brady in SB LII or hurts in SB LVII

I've always said Brady simply wasn't that good in SB LII. He went 28-for-48 (58%) and playing from behind all game inflated his passing yardage -- almost as much as the woeful Eagles secondary did.

If the Eagles had lost that game it would be remembered as the worst defensive performance in Super Bowl history.

26 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

His performance was more than 'good enough'. It was one of the best ever. That's just a bad take.

Did they win? No.

Did he have the game's only turnover? Yes.

He could have been better... and better likely means a win. He wasn't good enough.

Now, before getting all bent out of shape, he wasn't the only one who wasn't good enough and could have done more to secure that victory. But... in a one possession game, an unforced fumble for 6 the other way is a pretty big gaffe and one that, apparently, the team wasn't good enough to overcome.

10 minutes ago, paco said:

You know it's got to kill him to this day that he played the game of his career and lost to Nick F'n Foles

I think what kills him is this:

Not sure its a TD if he catches it... but it sure makes for a different game if he catches that.

Meanwhile...

I see a direct correlation of these two plays to:

4 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Since everyone wants to talk about it:

Tier 1: Mahomes. That's it, he's by himself. He's easily the best QB in football

Tier 2: Allen, Jackson, Burrow and Hurts. This is the order I would have them in.

Tier 2b: Stafford. Given his age and declining production, I can't put him with the other 4, but he's better than tier 3.

Tier 3: In no particular order -- Dak, Daniels, Love, Goff, Baker, Purdy, Stroud, Herbert, Maye and Nix

The rest of the league is guys that teams want to replace, or young guys with a lot to prove.

I agree on the surface…

Lamar is 2c…maybe. Like Herbert, great at accumulating stats but wilts when it matters.

I’d give Baker T3 all to himself, the disrespect he gets despite just putting up numbers over and over again is crazy to me.

Remove Daniels & Maye for a 3b, I think Daniels will quickly work himself into T2 soon and Maye might be Allen 2.0 a lot of promise in those 2. Nix is an enigma, I want to see if he’s a 1 year wonder before I anoint him a top half of the league QB, so he can stay in the bumped down to T4 group.

If you gave a truth serum to the GB FO and staff I think they’d tell you they f’d up royally giving Love that extension and they want to cut bait as quick as possible. Love is like a discount/Temu Jameis Winston. Sometimes you’re gonna be wowed, but quite often you’re left scratching your head wondering how he even got drafted.

SF is probably looking at Love and Purdy in the same light…they don’t want to give him a mega extension, but they might need to. Neither Purdy or Love belong in the same stratosphere as the rest IMO. Herbert might be a T5 type as well, he’s just a giant what if that can’t perform in big moments it seems.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If the Eagles had lost that game it would be remembered as the worst defensive performance in Super Bowl history.

Probably because it was aside from one play, but the end result papered over it and most people will forget it entirely given enough time.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure its a TD if he catches it

Not a prayer, wasn't it at midfield?

Just watched it, he drops it at the 30 but there's at least 3 defenders who would've tackled him short of the 20 let alone the goal line.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Not a prayer, wasn't it at midfield?

Just checked the video. Line of scrimmage was the 35. He dropped it on the 30... and its a foot race from there (definitely not his forte), but only one man to beat. #24, whom I can't recall who that was that year. Was that Corey Graham? If he doesn't score, he definitely sets up a FG attempt at the worst.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Probably because it was aside from one play, but the end result papered over it and most people will forget it entirely given enough time.

On the flip side, would you consider the Pats defensive performance the worst of all time then? At least early in the game the Eagles were able to force some field goals that they traded for TDs.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

and its a foot race from there (definitely not his forte), but only one man to beat.

Duuuuude, come on

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did they win? No.

Did he have the game's only turnover? Yes.

He could have been better... and better likely means a win. He wasn't good enough.

Now, before getting all bent out of shape, he wasn't the only one who wasn't good enough and could have done more to secure that victory. But... in a one possession game, an unforced fumble for 6 the other way is a pretty big gaffe and one that, apparently, the team wasn't good enough to overcome.

You believe the outcome defines the performance?

Terrell Owns’ 100 yards in SB XXXIX pales in comparison to Jahan Dotson’s 42 yards in LIX?

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Just watched it, he drops it at the 30 but there's at least 3 defenders who would've tackled him short of the 20 let alone the goal line.

Yeah on rewatch, I missed the Eagles' defender at the 10 or so as well. But, it definitely changes the complexion of the game with that play. No guarantee they get points on it, but a better chance than the drop.

34 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I would think Drew Brees with 12.

What's funny is Rivers would have beat him if it wasn't for 2012 when he only threw 3606

Brees was something else for a QB of his size

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did they win? No.

Did he have the game's only turnover? Yes.

He could have been better... and better likely means a win. He wasn't good enough.

Now, before getting all bent out of shape, he wasn't the only one who wasn't good enough and could have done more to secure that victory. But... in a one possession game, an unforced fumble for 6 the other way is a pretty big gaffe and one that, apparently, the team wasn't good enough to overcome.

If you're not praising Hurts then you're insulting him

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did they win? No.

Did he have the game's only turnover? Yes.

He could have been better... and better likely means a win. He wasn't good enough.

Now, before getting all bent out of shape, he wasn't the only one who wasn't good enough and could have done more to secure that victory. But... in a one possession game, an unforced fumble for 6 the other way is a pretty big gaffe and one that, apparently, the team wasn't good enough to overcome.

Now I was told wins aren't a qb Stat. He was the only reason the team even had a chance to win that game and you say he wasn't good enough? Pretty comical

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

You believe the outcome defines the performance?

Terrell Owns’ 100 yards in SB XXXIX pales in comparison to Jahan Dotson’s 42 yards in LIX?

1 - Yes... QBs are remembered more for their performances in SB victories than losses.... as we've been discussing with the Tom Brady Super Bowls. That doesn't translate to other positions in the same way. It just doesn't.

2 - The fumble was a pretty big blemish in that game and was every bit the defining moment of the game as the James Bradberry holding call. There was only one turnover in the game... it was that and it was a 7 point gift for KC. That forced him to have to play out of his mind the rest of the way in an attempt to make up for that.