24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Leonard gets too much of a bad rap for how it ended. A generous man whom the casinos in AC took advantage of.

He Started the Ronald McDonald House, and that has benefitted unknown numbers of families over the decades.

I mean if we are going to slam previous owners of the Eagles....go no further back than Norman Braman....

3 hours ago, devpool said:

That's not how I see it at all. He was under duress literally from the first snap until the backups came in. He wasn't making unforced errors, wasn't making bad decisions. He was getting manhandled all game long, what makes you say he crapped the bed when most QBs in that situation perform the same way?

He had plenty of time on the pick 6, which was a designed rollout. Go watch it again, he either didn't see Coop or just underestimated how fast he'd break on the ball. Either way, that's not a mistake that Mahomes usually makes.

Rank the follow plays:

The Dagger

Vid

The Philly Special

Vid

The Strip Sack

Vid

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He had plenty of time on the pick 6, which was a designed rollout. Go watch it again, he either didn't see Coop or just underestimated how fast he'd break on the ball. Either way, that's not a mistake that Mahomes usually makes.

If you listen to what Baun said to DeJean on the sideline right after the play, DeJean wasnt supposed to be there. It was just a great instinctive read by DeJean knowing which other routes were happening behindi him, and that he could peel off of his responsibility right at that time.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you listen to what Baun said to DeJean on the sideline right after the play, DeJean wasnt supposed to be there. It was just a great instinctive read by DeJean knowing which other routes were happening behindi him, and that he could peel off of his responsibility right at that time.

Correct. Amazing play by Coop, especially for a rookie. Hence why I said it was both in my prior post. Not sure why everything has to be framed from a binary perspective

2 minutes ago, paco said:

Rank the follow plays:

The Dagger

Vid

The Philly Special

Vid

The Strip Sack

Vid

1. Strip sack sealed our 1st SB victory.

2. Dagger sealed our second SB.

3. Philly Special most unexpected play call in a SB.

9 minutes ago, paco said:

Rank the follow plays:

The Dagger

Vid

The Philly Special

Vid

The Strip Sack

Vid

The dagger IMO is #3 solely because the game was already kinda out of hand at that point. Incredible play but it meant less. Hell I might put the Clement TD above it for the same reason

21 minutes ago, paco said:

Rank the follow plays:

The Dagger

Vid

The Philly Special

Vid

The Strip Sack

Vid

That’s quite a fancy post you made there. Show off.

Immediately after the SB, I thought Coop’s pick 6 would be the defining play/most memorable play of the game. Burkhardt’s call and Sirianni’s "just call it” clip definitely elevated Tue Dagger past Coop in the zeitgeist.

Long winded way of saying, my initial reaction to the question was to rank it strip sack, Philly Special and then the Dagger based on game situation. Now it seems like the strip sack should be 1 (hard to ever beat the first SB win), the Dagger 2 since it ended the game and started the party and Philly Special 3 since there was plenty of ballgame left.

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

You'll never guess who this is

Fletcher Cox.. #easy

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you listen to what Baun said to DeJean on the sideline right after the play, DeJean wasnt supposed to be there. It was just a great instinctive read by DeJean knowing which other routes were happening behindi him, and that he could peel off of his responsibility right at that time.

It reminds me of when Peyton Manning said he hated to face Troy Polomalu because Manning knew what coverage Pittsburgh was in but Polomalu wasn’t where he was supposed to be because he would freelance based on instinct.

What about Gabe Davis as a flier to compete with Dotson at WR3? Issues last year seemed mostly related to injury and the Jags sucking. Should be recovered from the meniscus for camp. Only 26 so shouldn't be on the decline yet (theoretically). Thoughts?

4 hours ago, devpool said:

You're missing the point, saying he crapped the bed literally takes the credit from the defense and chalk it up to a QB crapping the bed. Saying both can be true is asinine when the reason it looks like a QB crapped the bed is because they were dominated all game long.

Crapping the bed means they played poorly for no reason, despite whatever talent they have. See the Phillies vs the Diamondbacks in the NLCS for a great example. Andy Reid crapped the bed in a good amount of games for us also (calling 40 pass plays in 30mph winds, using all timeouts in the 1st/3rd quarters, etc etc). It sounds like the two of you have a completely different definition of that phrase

Think about a child who has crapped their bed or pissed their pants … either literally or figuratively. There are many different reasons. Some are voluntary without any outside actors and others are involuntary with outside actors, like with corporal punishment from a teacher with a ruler or paddle in front of the class. Subsequent to being marched up in front of the class to be disciplined and piss your pants, it is much easier to have a voluntary pants pissing just due to the concern/fear that the teacher is going to do it to you again.

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

I mean if we are going to slam previous owners of the Eagles....go no further back than Norman Braman....

Easily the worst ever.

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yep. Saying anything else does a big disservice to what the defense and Vic did in that game.

It isn’t a zero sum game. There is plenty of room for both to be true. Super Bowl LII is a perfect example. Jim Bunning’s perfect game against the Mets is another example.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There was no pressure on that throw, he could play loose based on the score. As I said in the original post, he has yet to out duel someone in a shoot out. Mahomes didn't make it to that fight and Hurts threw only 22 times in the game. That's not a shootout, so gunslinging need not apply. JMO.

Hurts was really good that day. Really really good, but he wasn't the biggest factor in the game. The story of that game was defensive dominance, not Hurts' passing brilliance.

Hurts didn't go toe to toe with Mahomes that day.... they both showed up in the street and Mahomes got run over by the stagecoach.

The gunslinger mentality and actions start long before the snap of the ball. If we use your definition, then Philly Philly wasn’t a gunslinger play.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Immediately after the SB, I thought Coop’s pick 6 would be the defining play/most memorable play of the game. Burkhardt’s call and Sirianni’s "just call it” clip definitely elevated Tue Dagger past Coop in the zeitgeist.

Long winded way of saying, my initial reaction to the question was to rank it strip sack, Philly Special and then the Dagger based on game situation. Now it seems like the strip sack should be 1 (hard to ever beat the first SB win), the Dagger 2 since it ended the game and started the party and Philly Special 3 since there was plenty of ballgame left.

Coop's TD was and is still greater than the Dagger, IMO. The CALL for the Dagger was better. Burkhardt nailed it. BUT, the play for Coop's TD, in that moment 10-0 and still very early in the game was when the landslide really started. The Baun INT followed by the AJ Brown TD really ended the game at 24-0. The Dagger was just the point at the bottom of the exclamation point that they'd already drawn in the first half.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Leonard gets too much of a bad rap for how it ended. A generous man whom the casinos in AC took advantage of.

He Started the Ronald McDonald House, and that has benefitted unknown numbers of families over the decades.

Regarding your second paragraph, very true, but Ronald McDonald never played for the Eagles.

Edit: Tose did preside over the Vermeil era that produced the Eagles first Super Bowl trip. So it wasn’t all bad. You are correct that the gambling problem resulted in a bad ending for the Tose era.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Rank the follow plays:

The Dagger

Vid

The Philly Special

Vid

The Strip Sack

Vid

Philly special - didn’t seal the win, but I think the Eagles probably lose if they don’t convert that play. Not coming away with points there would’ve been all kinds of bad karma. It was an amazing ballsy play right before halftime.

Strip sack - biggest defensive play in Eagles history.

Dagger - huge but 27-0 it was already over.

I still put DeJean’s pick 6 ahead of it and I think the Ertz TD is highly underrated. It was 3rd down.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I was just gonna post that. Very interesting observation. I was in the camp that the Eagles didn’t get sniped, at least in the sense that it was a player they loved so much they didn’t want to lose out on him. But that would suggest to me that either Stout was in there for a draft call or to at least discuss a prospect. We know that his voice carries more weight than any other position coach.

There's just no way we got sniped there. Grant was always a late 3rd/early 4th guy. We could have just taken him at 96. We traded back. If we loved him, he's an Eagle. We didn't.

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

I mean if we are going to slam previous owners of the Eagles....go no further back than Norman Braman....

My bad. Leonard Tose did preside over the Vermeil Eagles period. I was thinking Norman Branson but my mind farted out Leonard Tose. @Iggles_Phan is right the Tose era ended badly because of the gambling problem, but it definitely had some highs.

11 hours ago, mattwill said:

You and I have different definitions of gun slinging.

gunslinger. noun. gun·sling·er -ˌsliŋ-ər. : a person known for speed and skill in handling and shooting a gun especially in the American West.

That pass was the epitome of speed and skill in handling and throwing a football. Further, gunslingers had to have the courage to face risk of failure. Hurts showed that kind of courage in that play in spades.

JMO

I was screaming for that shot. The media is calling it the Dagger but the dagger was Coop’s pick six. I loved what Merrill said right afterward. Insurmountable. Hate to say it but Moore needs a Nick. Don’t think that Nussmeier is that aggressive. We’ll see.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Correct. Amazing play by Coop, especially for a rookie. Hence why I said it was both in my prior post. Not sure why everything has to be framed from a binary perspective

I agree with your bolded conclusion 100%. It is, in my opinion, both/and not either/or. It doesn’t need to be a zero sum game.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He had plenty of time on the pick 6, which was a designed rollout. Go watch it again, he either didn't see Coop or just underestimated how fast he'd break on the ball. Either way, that's not a mistake that Mahomes usually makes.

Mahommes makes more of those mistakes than people realize. He’s got a bit of Favre in him.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

There's just no way we got sniped there. Grant was always a late 3rd/early 4th guy. He could have just take him at 96. We traded back. If we loved him, he's an Eagle. We didn't.

Yeah, I don’t think we loved him enough to pass on the trade down (obviously) but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the guy they hoped to get at 101.