I think the Eagles definitely aren't as deep, but a lot of players on the roster could be even better. This is the second youngest team in the NFL. Guys like Hunt, Nolan, Carter, Baun(not young per se, but second year in this system), Quinyon, DeJean, Reed, Ojomo, Davis, etc could be even better. And then the rookies can gradually get better as the season goes on.

But most importantly I think Hurts can be better. He was not amazing last season. He was good, but not amazing. Don't forget the narrative of this team going into December was "Will the passing game be good enough to win a title?" Turns out the Eagles ramped it up come playoff time. But their passing offense underachieved for much of the season. I think there's a lot of meat left on the bone there. And Hurts has kinda had an up and down career. His downs were never him sucking. But he's gone from really good to meh each year since 2021. I think this could finally be the year where he breaks that trend and stays on an upward trajectory. He has the weapons to do it. And even though the OC changed, it's not like Patullo's new. Unless Patullo is awful, there should be some familiarity there. And even if Patullo isn't some amazing play caller, I believe it mainly comes down to execution anyway. Brian Johnson got the blame for 2023 when I think the deficiencies were largely player driven.

I think improvements within the team could make up for any weakened depth.

14 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

True, but their 9th guy was likely worse than our 12th guy. Their 5th guy might have been worse than our 8th guy for that matter. They are a crap OL. So, why bother keeping guys that suck on the roster just so that you have more guys. If they have an injury, they can poach a PS for a guy that's likely better than anyone they just waived.

Wonder if Burrow has asked for help but they've just ignored it

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

WR is better

LB is better

I'd say DT is deeper

OL depth is weaker

CB is weaker

DE depth is unknown

Safety if the kid stays healthy will be closer than we think

I don't think we knew what we had last year. The same could be true this year as well.

I don't think DT is deeper.

We lost Milton Williams, Thomas Booker and the occasional plays Graham would line up at DT. We replaced that with a 3rd round rookie whose preseason shows he either needs time or may not be the player everyone thought he was going to be a few months ago. Everyone else on the team this year was on the team last year, either on the roster or the PS.

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

At DE last year we felt better preseason last year because we had Huff. Smith was still a question mark and I don't think anyone had Hunt contributing that fast. Goes to show you how much can change in a season.

Josh Sweat had to take a pay cut to stay and no one thought BG had much left. Heck at week 4 people were saying Fangio was washed up and the D stunk. 100% true that this team isn't as deep as that team turned out to be but early on people weren't touting the great depth

18 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

At DE last year we felt better preseason last year because we had Huff. Smith was still a question mark and I don't think anyone had Hunt contributing that fast. Goes to show you how much can change in a season.

Huff, Sweat and Graham. Smith and Hunt were DE4/DE5 at the beginning of the year.

There is just way too much sports media these days. They are covering the Thelien trade like we just landed on the moon for the first time

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

WR is better

LB is better

I'd say DT is deeper

OL depth is weaker

CB is weaker

DE depth is unknown

Safety if the kid stays healthy will be closer than we think

I don't think we knew what we had last year. The same could be true this year as well.

Safety - CJGJ is a big loss in my opinion. Turnover machine, good tackler, tough player. Mukuba may be good, but he'll have to be very good. CJGJ also opens Blankenships game a lot. Big loss. OL depth is scary.

We never really know what we have until it is forced upon us. My point is we lost 9 key contributors. Gotta stay healthy.

21 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

So then how did Dotson and Metchie end up buried on the depth chart in their previous offenses? They were both taken pretty early with solid college resume's and neither went to a roster that was stacked at receiver, Dotson in particular had a clear run at being WR2 at worst in Washington, they don't even feed the TE that much, so how does he end up behind an unspectacular vet like Curtis Samuel? How does Metchie get 30 targets in 2023 (which makes him WR5 by the way) when alternative is a 30 year old Robert Woods, a 3rd round rookie and a journeyman on a one year contract? How is it not just that they aren't that good and WR 3/4 is their NFL level? Arguably that's above Metchie's level.

Metchie what coming off a late season ACL and then got cancer. Just an awful way to start a pro career so no surprise he ended up behind the 8ball when he was finally ready to go.

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

At DE last year we felt better preseason last year because we had Huff. Smith was still a question mark and I don't think anyone had Hunt contributing that fast. Goes to show you how much can change in a season.

Their DT could be even better than last year. Ojomo could be worse vs the run but get more sacks than Williams. Davis lost weight and Robinson could contribute. Some writers like Hall and Young as well.

Campbell may not be as good as Baun yet, but I have a feeling he is going to disrupt some crap early and often. Not many are talking about the impact he can make, especially 4-5 games in after things start to click like the kids last year.

11 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Yeah, and as I said if you take away what looks like an outlier season in 2023 for Covey where he averaged 14.4 per return, he is at 9.3 and 7.7.

Carter over those three seasons is at 11.7, 9.7, and 9.3. Carter also returns kicks and doesn't have trouble staying healthy. Either way, he has been more productive two out of the last three years and as a one year stop gap I will take Carter.

Why would you take away his best year? It's like calling Barkley an average RB if you take away his longest carries. Production is evidence of ability just as prior injuries are evidence of fragility.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Safety - CJGJ is a big loss in my opinion. Turnover machine, good tackler, tough player. Mukuba may be good, but he'll have to be very good. CJGJ also opens Blankenships game a lot. Big loss. OL depth is scary.

We never really know what we have until it is forced upon us. My point is we lost 9 key contributors. Gotta stay healthy.

Don't forget he made a lot of mistakes as well. You are right they need to stay healthy.

LOL I hope Mike McDaniel is renting his home

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think DT is deeper.

We lost Milton Williams, Thomas Booker and the occasional plays Graham would line up at DT. We replaced that with a 3rd round rookie whose preseason shows he either needs time or may not be the player everyone thought he was going to be a few months ago. Everyone else on the team this year was on the team last year, either on the roster or the PS.

Banking on Davis actually doing something

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think DT is deeper.

We lost Milton Williams, Thomas Booker and the occasional plays Graham would line up at DT. We replaced that with a 3rd round rookie whose preseason shows he either needs time or may not be the player everyone thought he was going to be a few months ago. Everyone else on the team this year was on the team last year, either on the roster or the PS.

We disagree. I think Ojomo is going to be as good if not better rushing the passer. If they traded Booker they like Robinson and Hall as much. Davis in shape is better IMO as well.

I'll throw in nobody saw Williams being that good this time last year either.

Milton Williams had half a sack in 2023

Ojomo will be as good as Milton. Milton was a good rotational guy that really benefited and got rich off of playing next to Carter.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

We disagree. I think Ojomo is going to be as good if not better rushing the passer. If they traded Booker they like Robinson and Hall as much. Davis in shape is better IMO as well.

You may be right at the end of the year but as of today, it feels like a lot is banking on potential. Davis needs to actually take a leap this time. And for how much everyone raved about his shape, it seems like his camp was rather quiet. Ojomo sounds like he will be exciting, but he needs to prove it in games and not just in shells. He played ok last year in his limited opportunities but he has one sack in his career and it came late in the playoffs. He needs to prove he can effectively rush the passer while also not being a liability against the run.

Vic also wasn't thrilled with trading Booker based off his comments. That trade was much more about getting a CB in return than being happy with Hall and Robinson.

Fangio also talked about Thomas Booker and made clear he didn’t feel like the DT was expendable, and noted that he’s going to miss having Booker on the roster.

"But, the get something you have to give something, so…”

He also commented on the depth that same day

"Are they where they need to be? No, but they’re coming along and hopefully that’ll continue.”

We'll see. I hope you are right.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

Metchie what coming off a late season ACL and then got cancer. Just an awful way to start a pro career so no surprise he ended up behind the 8ball when he was finally ready to go.

But he still had a two year shot at it and was behind pretty much every other WR on the depth chart. Even Reagor got his shot as a WR1/2 when against nothing, Metchie ended up behind guys like Noah Brown his first year of being healthy, and then still couldn't break 40 targets when WR2 and 3 missed 7 and 9 games in 2024. It doesn't really speak highly of his level.

I hope I eat all sorts of crow on this and we become the best passing offense in the East by a mile but all the indications are we've got absolutely average WR 3 / 4's

14 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Milton Williams had half a sack in 2023

Kruk has had half a sack since 1994.

27 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

There is just way too much sports media these days. They are covering the Thelien trade like we just landed on the moon for the first time

Sports media was much better when they had to write it for the newspaper.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Sports media was much better when they had to write it for the newspaper.

"by the time you read this..."

25 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Milton Williams had half a sack in 2023

Lance Armstrong has half a sack today.

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You may be right at the end of the year but as of today, it feels like a lot is banking on potential. Davis needs to actually take a leap this time. And for how much everyone raved about his shape, it seems like his camp was rather quiet. Ojomo sounds like he will be exciting, but he needs to prove it in games and not just in shells. He played ok last year in his limited opportunities but he has one sack in his career and it came late in the playoffs. He needs to prove he can effectively rush the passer while also not being a liability against the run.

Vic also wasn't thrilled with trading Booker based off his comments. That trade was much more about getting a CB in return than being happy with Hall and Robinson.

He also commented on the depth that same day

We'll see. I hope you are right.

You have history on your side with the players they were. Plus the fact I'm optimistic probably means doom.

What snap count does Davis need to reach at the end of the season