8 hours ago8 hr 1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:My guess is if Dean can play he is MLB, Campbell moves into the Baun LB role, and Baun plays a hybrid DE. I would not be upset having all three of theses guys on the field for the majority of the defensive snaps. Dean resumes his role of play caller, allowing Baun and Campbell to just play.Not sure that will hold up the rest of the season vs. the run
8 hours ago8 hr 16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:People won't want to hear this, but I think a large part of it is defenses know the QB sucks against zone coverage and beat it to death in the 2nd half. Jalen Hurts has improved against the blitz and credit to him, but in a lot of these games teams are doing simulated pressures, dropping guys back into coverage and the QB can't read it well enough. That doesn't excuse the scheme or play design, both can be true.With Moore last year Hurts was top 10 in passing against the zone, and top 10 woth Steichen as well. With Patullo and Johnson as OC he is bottom 3rd of the league. Maybe, just maybe they should be running the Moore/ Steichen zone route trees rather than the Patullo zone route trees?
8 hours ago8 hr Author 19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:People won't want to hear this, but I think a large part of it is defenses know the QB sucks against zone coverage and beat it to death in the 2nd half. Jalen Hurts has improved against the blitz and credit to him, but in a lot of these games teams are doing simulated pressures, dropping guys back into coverage and the QB can't read it well enough. That doesn't excuse the scheme or play design, both can be true.Yeah. Rushing with four, keeping Hurts in the pocket, and making him dissect 7-man zone coverage seems to be the plan that works best.
8 hours ago8 hr 3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:With Moore last year Hurts was top 10 in passing against the zone, and top 10 woth Steichen as well. With Patullo and Johnson as OC he is bottom 3rd of the league. Maybe, just maybe they should be running the Moore/ Steichen zone route trees rather than the Patullo zone route trees?Teams have adjusted to what they did last year, though. They are taking those things away and making Hurts beat them in ways that don't match his strengths. Until they get an OC who can adapt to his skills in an innovative way he's not going to do well.
8 hours ago8 hr Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:Yeah. Rushing with four, keeping Hurts in the pocket, and making him dissect 7-man zone coverage seems to be the plan that works best.Funny enough, Hurts played best against the Giants when in zone and struggled the most when they were in man (overthrow to Smith, INT). It was the inverse of what we saw the other 3 weeks before. I wonder if it's because Giants predominantly play man coverage so they just stink in zone.
8 hours ago8 hr 1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:Yeah. Rushing with four, keeping Hurts in the pocket, and making him dissect 7-man zone coverage seems to be the plan that works best.DEN ignored this formula during the 1st half of that game, I wonder if MIN will make the same mistake - as they are also run a man / blitz heavy defense and might have the same impulse to play their style despite what we put on tape... fingers crossed.
8 hours ago8 hr 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:I don't think Howard Eskin agreeing with your take is the flex you think it is
8 hours ago8 hr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:I don't think Howard Eskin agreeing with your take is the flex you think it isI don't think posting the truth is a flex, but crap has that term become cliche.
8 hours ago8 hr Just now, UK Eagle said:Eskin is Yeah, I don't like him, but he's right. When they get another OC who can adapt to Hurts that changes. Hurts has strengths and this guy can't bring them out.
8 hours ago8 hr 10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Teams have adjusted to what they did last year, though. They are taking those things away and making Hurts beat them in ways that don't match his strengths. Until they get an OC who can adapt to his skills in an innovative way he's not going to do well.Exactly. Hurts is the QB, warts and all. But when an OC devices an offense that meet his strengths the results are undeniable. We hear coach speak all the time: put players in position to be successful. We have evidence of what Hurts success looks like. Coach to that. No need to reinvent the wheel.
8 hours ago8 hr Just now, Freshmilk said:Exactly. Hurts is the QB, warts and all. But when an OC devices an offense that meet his strengths the results are undeniable. We hear coach speak all the time: put players in position to be successful. We have evidence of what Hurts success looks like. Coach to that. No need to reinvent the wheel.Yep, and also be innovative because teams will adapt in the NFL. This OC can't bring out the best in him or adjust.
8 hours ago8 hr 11 hours ago, judunno said:Josh Allen had another bad game. Welp time to start the back up. - Eagles casual fan logic."Every OC that's worked with him has been doomed!""He makes them all look bad!"But on a serious note, the similarities are kinda striking...Allen: Begins to develop as a young QB under Daboll, until eventually they have enough success together that Daboll departs for a HC gig in NYHurts: Begins to develop as a young QB under Steichen, until eventually they have enough success together that Steichen departs for a HC gig in IndyAllen: Ken Dorsey is Daboll's replacement and disappoints, getting fired midway through his second season, and is now the passing game coordinator in DallasHurts: Brian Johnson is Steichen's replacement and disappoints, getting fired after only one season, and is now the passing game coordinator in WashingtonAllen: Joe Brady is Dorsey's replacement and performs better than Dorsey, but still remains as OC in Buffalo for nowHurts: Kellen Moore is Johnson's replacement and performs better than Johnson, well enough that he departs for a HC gig in NOSo for those keeping score at home...Allen: Zero SB appearances, zero SB MVPs, only got one of his OCs promoted to HCHurts: Two SB appearances, one SB MVP, got two of his OCs promoted to HC(and before all the goobers start pinching their weiners, yes Allen is still the better QB, but maybe it's okay for you to acknowledge Hurts isn't some sort of OC poison that gets them all fired like has been implied lately)
8 hours ago8 hr 1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:Exactly. Hurts is the QB, warts and all. But when an OC devices an offense that meet his strengths the results are undeniable. We hear coach speak all the time: put players in position to be successful. We have evidence of what Hurts success looks like. Coach to that. No need to reinvent the wheel.The road ahead might be different.
8 hours ago8 hr 33 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:Not sure that will hold up the rest of the season vs. the runYes, Baun at DE is not ideal, but we are in a tight spot with no sure fire trade available to us. Gotta adapt until we don't have to.
8 hours ago8 hr 1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:Agreed, but it's a numbers game for now. Campbell is very good in coverage as well. I think Baun could handle a temporary switch better than Campbell.Trotter would probably be better than Dean at this point.
7 hours ago7 hr 30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:"Every OC that's worked with him has been doomed!""He makes them all look bad!"But on a serious note, the similarities are kinda striking...Allen: Begins to develop as a young QB under Daboll, until eventually they have enough success together that Daboll departs for a HC gig in NYHurts: Begins to develop as a young QB under Steichen, until eventually they have enough success together that Steichen departs for a HC gig in IndyAllen: Ken Dorsey is Daboll's replacement and disappoints, getting fired midway through his second season, and is now the passing game coordinator in DallasHurts: Brian Johnson is Steichen's replacement and disappoints, getting fired after only one season, and is now the passing game coordinator in WashingtonAllen: Joe Brady is Dorsey's replacement and performs better than Dorsey, but still remains as OC in Buffalo for nowHurts: Kellen Moore is Johnson's replacement and performs better than Johnson, well enough that he departs for a HC gig in NOSo for those keeping score at home...Allen: Zero SB appearances, zero SB MVPs, only got one of his OCs promoted to HCHurts: Two SB appearances, one SB MVP, got two of his OCs promoted to HC(and before all the goobers start pinching their weiners, yes Allen is still the better QB, but maybe it's okay for you to acknowledge Hurts isn't some sort of OC poison that gets them all fired like has been implied lately)If the Bills offer a first round pick for Sirianni, should the Eagles take it?
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