19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This was a good listen (or watch).

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No need for a pass rush trade now.

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Team meetings, feedback, putting on the pads

They are playing the greatest hits this week

Only one thing left to try.

Theilen and addison worry me this week even with Q back.

Theilen beat cooper badly last year and whoever cb2 is will have problems keeping up with Addison's speed

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

How do you work on that in the offseason?

Kind need to scrimmage to do so.

The problem isn't taking snaps from center.

The way a QB works on anything else in the offseason.
He has all the resources to accomplish it, if he deems necessary.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with this completely.

But to reinforce that point, the No. 1 change between last year and this year is the OL. Yeah yeah, the OC/playcaller was Kellen Moore and is now the vilified Patullo. From a schematic standpoint, one coach changed. Patullo was here last year. The franchise QB was here. The offense minded HC was here. Patullo isn't really an arrogant personality that is going to make a point of a fingerprint adding paradigm shift on offense. THey are trying to do what they did last year.

The change is that the OL is playing like crap. Everything else is downstream of that. If the offensive routes, alignment, anything really...looks different...it's them trying to adjust and compensate for a bad OL. If Hurts looks different, it's because he can't play the way he did last year.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Officiating crew better get their throwing arms loose or they'll need Tommy John.

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I know why each passing play has limited options. I'll tell you for a dollar.

So here's my issue with this opinion.

If I'm the OC/playcaller with my career, job, and dignity on the line right now...and I'm running a JV offense to protect a limited QB (and it's not working)...I'm going to pivot and open it up to a more traditional offense so the football world can see why we were doing what we were doing while letting Hurts fall flat on his face.

It's not malice or sabotage...it's simply acknowledging what you are doing isn't working and refusing to torpedo the offense just to protect the QB, so let it all hang out and fall on the QB.

But they aren't doing that. I've got a lower opinion of Hurts' passing sophistication than most, but there's more to it IMO.

Just now, eagle45 said:

So here's my issue with this opinion.

If I'm the OC/playcaller with my career, job, and dignity on the line right now...and I'm running a JV offense to protect a limited QB (and it's not working)...I'm going to pivot and open it up to a more traditional offense so the football world can see why we were doing what we were doing while letting Hurts fall flat on his face.

It's not malice or sabotage...it's simply acknowledging what you are doing isn't working and refusing to torpedo the offense just to protect the QB, so let it all hang out and fall on the QB.

But they aren't doing that. I've got a lower opinion of Hurts' passing sophistication than most, but there's more to it IMO.

Think about it some more. Obviously an OC doesnt have that kind of power. The HC, and owner are going to make him adapt to the skills of their franchise QB.

Now...In a hypothetical world where you as the OC get your way, 1st, Hurts is going to be terrible and the offense, and team will fail. Then, the OC he will be seen as a failure for not adapting to the strengths of his players. And the reputation you tried to protect will still take a hit.

This is a no win job for an OC, except Moore who was lucky we signed Barkley that year. "Moore's offense" was failing too, when he was making Hurts throw the ball. Then Barkley saved everyone.

There is certainly more to it if you are referring to the overall failures of the offense this year. Thats the injured OL. But the simplicity of the passing game? Thats ALL Hurts.

5 hours ago, austinfan said:

I wouidn't. None was very good at reading a defense and depending on their athleticism and seeing open guys and rifling the ball to them.

Randall played with one of the great defenses in NFL history, McNabb had an OL almost as good as Hurts (not as good run blocking, better pass blockers).

I think the real issue with Hurts is he's had it drummed into him to avoid turnovers to the extent that he's overly cautious, but as the SBs showed, when he had to open up his game . . .

Is that what the problem is? He’s been told not to turn the ball over so he just holds it for 3 min?

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I mean, he's not wrong.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I guess you can say, he had a bad case…..

Of Juju

22 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Is that what the problem is? He’s been told not to turn the ball over so he just holds it for 3 min?

So the people saying AJ was open for a TD!!!! are not watching the replay. Hurts is already throwing the ball when AJ gets to the Giant he later beats.

Hurts was decisive and did not hold the ball for 3 minutes there.

It was a bad, off-target throw to a mediocre WR who was not really all that open but you all seem to want the 50/50 balls that come out quick.

Of course the throw was bad during what might be the worst game of his career. No need to pretend AJ was already open on top of it.

Not sure about the context here but that can’t be the attitude. It’s not 2024 anymore.

34 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

So the people saying AJ was open for a TD!!!! are not watching the replay. Hurts is already throwing the ball when AJ gets to the Giant he later beats.

Hurts was decisive and did not hold the ball for 3 minutes there.

It was a bad, off-target throw to a mediocre WR who was not really all that open but you all seem to want the 50/50 balls that come out quick.

Of course the throw was bad during what might be the worst game of his career. No need to pretend AJ was already open on top of it.

Youre the one who didnt watch. Or just pretending not to hear what you didnt want to hear. If he read the defense properly, AJ would have been his read there. Yes he was decisive. He decisively made the wrong decision, and yet another bad throw. Far too many of those these past 2 games.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure about the context here but that can’t be the attitude. It’s not 2024 anymore.

Yea it'll help a lot once they figure out how to run the ball but the play design and sequencing is still atrocious

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

Yea it'll help a lot once they figure out how to run the ball but the play design and sequencing is still atrocious

It has to be the attitude. Thats how they have to win.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It has to be the attitude. Thats how they have to win.

You have to evolve in the NFL. AJ Brown said as much.

Schedule is extremely annoying this year. We had a mini bye but Minnesota had their full bye so no advantage there. Giants next week might be their "easiest” game over the next month, and they just kicked our teeth in last week. I’d usually be on board with resting Quinyon and Landon to let them heal, but I’m not sure they can afford to fall to 4-3 right now with how important home field advantage is. That Denver loss really hurt. Can’t even complain about the Giants one because they were never really competitive there.

This team needs a win though with everything festering. I don’t like the matchup against MIN, but if Wentz does Wentz things that could be the difference.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I agree with this completely.

But to reinforce that point, the No. 1 change between last year and this year is the OL. Yeah yeah, the OC/playcaller was Kellen Moore and is now the vilified Patullo. From a schematic standpoint, one coach changed. Patullo was here last year. The franchise QB was here. The offense minded HC was here. Patullo isn't really an arrogant personality that is going to make a point of a fingerprint adding paradigm shift on offense. THey are trying to do what they did last year.

The change is that the OL is playing like crap. Everything else is downstream of that. If the offensive routes, alignment, anything really...looks different...it's them trying to adjust and compensate for a bad OL. If Hurts looks different, it's because he can't play the way he did last year.

The problem is they prepared in TC like they'd have an OL that can allow them to run inside, now that's been taken away.

I mean why would Siri have changed things given their record? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

They might have figured some falloff, but nothing this drastic, less success, not zero success running inside.

Now they have to completely remake an offense, more outside zone and off tackle runs, fewer vertical routes, more crossing routes, etc.

Play action isn't effective if you can't run, so it's harder to take shots downfield against zone and harder for Hurts to scramble out of the pocket for big gains.

And the problem with the RPO is the reasons they probably want to move away from it:

1) it'll get Hurts killed at some point, gives teams a free shot at him

2) If Hurts is hurt, McKee can't run the RPO, so an offense built around it is in big trouble

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Second beat to say the same thing this week. Whoever their sources are, are in damage control

39 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The problem is they prepared in TC like they'd have an OL that can allow them to run inside, now that's been taken away.

I mean why would Siri have changed things given their record? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

They might have figured some falloff, but nothing this drastic, less success, not zero success running inside.

Now they have to completely remake an offense, more outside zone and off tackle runs, fewer vertical routes, more crossing routes, etc.

Play action isn't effective if you can't run, so it's harder to take shots downfield against zone and harder for Hurts to scramble out of the pocket for big gains.

And the problem with the RPO is the reasons they probably want to move away from it:

1) it'll get Hurts killed at some point, gives teams a free shot at him

2) If Hurts is hurt, McKee can't run the RPO, so an offense built around it is in big trouble

RPO is not the read option, McKee doesnt need to be able to run. Foles ran a lot of RPO IIRC