5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

oh ok. so not "a few" Its the whole blog.

It’s tough to dig through all of the inaccuracies in that made up story of yours.

No inaccuracy. The OL is the #1 problem imho. Not sure how hard that is to understand.

Hurts is who he is. We’ve been over this 100x by now.

Patullo has not been good. No one is arguing that either.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

It is unclear but it's a weird story: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/oct/20/doug-martin-death-police-custody-tampa-bay-boise-state It sounds like police were called because someone thought he was a burglar. He was having a medical emergency and died in police custody.

Wow. Weird.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I mentioned a few posts ago he hurt it on the first play of the game.

I must have missed that part. Is there any video posted of the injury?

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No inaccuracy. The OL is the #1 problem imho. Not sure how hard that is to understand.

Hurts is who he is. We’ve been over this 100x by now.

Patullo has not been good. No one is arguing that either.

The innacuracy was your claim of "a few" in here, which in truth is pretty much the entire blog.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The innacuracy was your claim of "a few" in here, which in truth is pretty much the entire blog.

Well let’s see about that

50 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I keep saying we need to see all 22 for the safety there. But my thought is, Dotson has his man flat footed and Dotson is on a go, so he is even right away, which means he is leaving. Hurts looks away.

There are basically 2 options for the safety there. Hes either walked up pretty close to the LOS in which case, Hurts has to put that over the top on the go route and its a likely TD. Or, the safety is deep, and because of how quickly Dotson beat his man, theres going to be a window to fit that in ahead of the safety getting there.

I dont think Im going to find it necessary for Hurts to come off that 1st read.

The end of the play worked out, but I suspect this is another example of Hurts making things more difficult than they needed to be and everyone blaming Patullo.

We see 10 Minnesota defenders in the picture, with Harrison Smith walked up near the LOS, so its single high. Theres no way that other safety lined up right over top of Dotson's go route.

My guess is the safety was playing that route because Goedert was covered. He has no other deep route to cover. I am not sure where the safety is but even if the window is there, it's not going to result in a TD. To me, the routes don't take advantage of the coverage. They allow Devonta to be easily covered by a safety on an out route. If Dotson's route is the only deep route, then the safety does not have a conflict. It's an easy route to cover. AJ's route is easy to cover and Barkley, while open has no chance to get first down if he gets the ball thrown to him.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

My guess is the safety was playing that route because Goedert was covered. He has no other deep route to cover. I am not sure where the safety is but even if the window is there, it's not going to result in a TD. To me, the routes don't take advantage of the coverage. They allow Devonta to be easily covered by a safety on an out route. If Dotson's route is the only deep route, then the safety does not have a conflict. It's an easy route to cover. AJ's route is easy to cover and Barkley, while open has no chance to get first down if he gets the ball thrown to him.

IF it was supposed to be an RPO, which the WRs make it look like, then the safety isnt likely even in the equation. The second Dotson caught that closer defender flat footed is when that ball should be out. Had he dropped more to cover a vertical route, then the read would be different. But he got beat right off the snap.

They only needed a few yards for a 1st, and that play looks like it worked as designed even if the OL messed up. (if it was supposed to be RPO, or RSO)

1 hour ago, KINGnabb said:

Washington has Chiefs next week. The Boys have the Broncos. We have a rematch with the GMen coming off that epic collapse. Eagles have a chance at going 3 games up next week. Now the Conference us a different story. I think it's going to be 12-13 wins for the Conference.

Agree. Important to win and solidify the division going into the bye. The five games after (@GB, Det, @Dal, Chi, @ LAC) will determine if we get to host playoff games after the first round.

OL can be blamed for the lack of running game. But theyre pass protecting very well. And the passing game still struggles. As such, passing game also shares blame for the lack of run game. Should be hard for anyone to argue the OL is the #1 problem on the team. A problem, yes. #1 problem? Maybe problem #3.

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I most have missed that part. Is there any video posted of the injury?

I got a video, I'll post it, but it didn't look like much. But McLane reported this is when he hurt it and he limps a bit after the play.

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The only purpose the original play seems to have is lead blocker for when Barkley leaks to the flat

Which is objectively stupid.

Well, very nice to get back to winning games, and had we lost to Wentz the city may have imploded. There was a lot to like from the passing game and the red zone defense, but still a ton of work to do. And that's the best game Wentz has had for us since tearing his ACL.

• Hurts: that's the best regular season game I have ever seen him play. 3 TDs, over 300 yards, perfect passer rating. When he locks in and gets in a zone, he's basically unstoppable. In that way, he's a little like Foles, who was the streakiest QB I've ever seen. When Foles was on, he was basically Manning/Brady/Montana, but he'd also have long stretches of being off. McNabb was like that as well at times. The use of more under center passing, and of course the play action deep shot to DeVonta...both nice to see. Hell, he even threw over the middle. The 3rd and long conversion to AJ was the play of the game, IMO. But this is how we did things last year when we were strongest -- limited throws, but a high YPA.

• We only had 4 drives in the 2nd half -- TD, missed FG, TD, end of game. So basically the offense was 4/4 in the second half. That's very encouraging. In the 1st half, after the opening TD, we blew a drive thanks to a false start on 3rd and 1 (the pass to Smitty was close on 3rd down, but it was a tough catch). Then we have a -6 yard run to kill our next drive (3 and out), a holding penalty and sack on the drive after that, and then the end of the half. If we could just stop beating ourselves...

• Barkley still has plenty of juice, as evidence by the play where he made a massive spin move and got free instead of getting dropped for a loss. And we ran well on the first drive, but once Cam went out, it was over. Patullo still tries to force these runs up the middle when we clearly are better getting to the edges. The toss play from under center is our best run right now.

• Bigsby should get more carries. And Shipley more on 3rd down -- his blitz pickup looked good.

• I'm sorry, but Jeff Stoutland has to catch some ish at this point for sticking with Toth. I get liking Toth's versatility, but being bad at all 5 OL positions isn't useful. Big Fred is a good backup OT, Pryor is a solid backup G, and they just need to dress Kendall as the backup C or slide Landon over and put Pryor at LG. The entire run game vanished the second Toth came in. He's just not an NFL player.

• AJ and Smitty, what else can I say? They both balled out and just ABUSED Isaiah Rodgers. AJ had a quasi drop on the drive before the half, but other than that, they were basically flawless. I hope Jalen just keeps giving AJ chances deep anytime he is one on one.

• Other than Toth, the OL seemed better this week against a tough defense. The pass protection was very strong.

• Having only 3 edge players healthy (Hunt, Uche and P. Johnson), all of whom are undersized, was a real issue against the run. I'm a little stunned Minny only ran for 89 yards, with only 61 from the backs. Davis, Carter, Ojomo and the LBs did a great job stuffing them inside, but really thought they'd run to the edges more (they had success while doing it). Maybe KOC isn't quite that big a genius.

• Campbell really isn't big enough to play edge on running downs. But having him, Dean and Baun on the field together does make some sense. I think they keep tinkering with 3-3-5 looks where one of Baun or Campbell brings pressure. But don't love him as an edge on 1st downs. Hopefully BG and Nolan coming back makes that less of a need.

• Dean really is great against the run.

• Q was excellent on JJ, and Coop was strong as well. Jackson wasn't terrible before getting hurt, but Ringo...maybe glue the dreads back on.

• Mukuba and the missed tackles are going to cost us a game at some point. I am in favor of him playing and learning, but can someone teach him to tackle please.

• Gipson was an improvement on KR, not sure why Dotson was still at PR. And Shipley can't return KOs.

• Come on Jake...

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

IF it was supposed to be an RPO, which the WRs make it look like, then the safety isnt likely even in the equation. The second Dotson caught that closer defender flat footed is when that ball should be out. Had he dropped more to cover a vertical route, then the read would be different. But he got beat right off the snap.

They only needed a few yards for a 1st, and that play looks like it worked as designed even if the OL messed up. (if it was supposed to be RPO, or RSO)

IWhen you say RPO, who was the run going to? There's no way that was a RPO. Hurts gets the snap and drops back three steps. I disagree that AJ and Devonta are blocking. They engage but Devonta quickly gets off the block. He is getting into his route without regard to what Hurts is doing. I am glad you agree that it wouldn't have been a TD if he had thrown it to Dotson because the safety would have made the tackle.

This isn’t meant to be doom and gloom. Though it will certainly seem that way.

This team is in the exact same spot as it has been the past 3 years (with vastly differing factors). We all saw how last year played out. I have a glimmer of hope we can see something like that again.

Going through my ‘on this day’. Last year, this football week Hurts was benched on the field for a half in quite possibly his worst performance as a QB ever. Saquon took over and was 15ish yards shy of his personal record in his return to NY so the young guys could eat.

Yesterday we watched a completely inept offense for close to 40 mins before hurts improvised and completely took over the game. Marvelous from 8 left in the third through the end of the game.

None of us know what happens during game planning. How much does the pass game coordinator have a role? How much is patullo? How much is stoutland beating his head against the wall with these schemes and concepts that don’t work for his zone and gap blocking scheme/run play design.

All we know is what patullo is doing is fundamentally broken and makes zero sense. Moore took a while last year to get things to click. We can only hold out hope that patullo will get it, but I’m scared just looking at the concepts and what he’s attempting. I don’t think any advisor is gonna come in and fix this to be honest. He needs to be better and find an identity that works with the rest of the team.

This team is just far too talented to be so completely inept for such large swathes of games and need hero ball to be productive. They really need to study what they saw yesterday, the creative ways that Addison was schemed open and spread things out. The OL is going to continue to get abused playing in a condensed phone booth.

30 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No inaccuracy. The OL is the #1 problem imho. Not sure how hard that is to understand.

Hurts is who he is. We’ve been over this 100x by now.

Patullo has not been good. No one is arguing that either.

Nah. The #1 problem is patullo. The OL would be fine if he could design anything that works with the established blocking schemes.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

With DeJawn, he has other worldly processing speed on the field. Dude goes through the OODA loop faster than a majority of humans. He’s on Kuechly level of football IQ.

Like the stack in the red zone late in the game. He's just crazy smart out there.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

I thought you were crazy when you predicted this paper tiger in SF.

Seems he was right.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

OL can be blamed for the lack of running game. But theyre pass protecting very well. And the passing game still struggles. As such, passing game also shares blame for the lack of run game. Should be hard for anyone to argue the OL is the #1 problem on the team. A problem, yes. #1 problem? Maybe problem #3.

Eagles are a running team with a strategy built around a league best OL.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Like the stack in the red zone late in the game. He's just crazy smart out there.

His ability to decide to:

A- attack the ball

B- attack the receiver

C- cede and position to tackle

It’s ridiculous. He’s a field general out there. He rarely makes a bad step.

I cannot believe the narrative in the media that TJ caught that ball or that the call was somehow controversial. Just ridiculous

It's just hilarious that Hurts had a perfect passer rating and 300+ yards and 3 TDs and there is actual discussion of him not throwing to a guy on a play in which he threw a TD pass. Way to stick to an idiotic script...

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Eagles are a running team with a strategy built around a league best OL.

In a rudimentary way. They’re very balanced when operating well.

What’s happening right now is like what we saw when Castillo was asked to plan around Washburn’s and Bowles conflicting concepts. There is zero complimentary calls.

5 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Nah. The #1 problem is patullo. The OL would be fine if he could design anything that works with the established blocking schemes.

Patullo hasn’t been good but a gimpy LG,C and Steen isn’t the same as the 3 pro bowl guys playing league best iOL last year. Not even close. Eagles probably have the leagues worst push up the middle this year.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

• I'm sorry, but Jeff Stoutland has to catch some ish at this point for sticking with Toth. I get liking Toth's versatility, but being bad at all 5 OL positions isn't useful. Big Fred is a good backup OT, Pryor is a solid backup G, and they just need to dress Kendall as the backup C or slide Landon over and put Pryor at LG. The entire run game vanished the second Toth came in. He's just not an NFL player.

Agree. Stoutland University has regressed and needs to get back to strength.