2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He might have been replaced by Kendell. And Kendell can play OG, I don't think McMahon can. So... that leaves them in a bit of a bind. And for some reason they really like Toth.

I agree about Kendall's ability to play OG, which only makes it more easy to fit McMahon in here right now. Not like youd be stuck with two center only players.

With regard to defense and overcorrecting for relying on Ringo and scrub free agents at CB2, I think it was apparent they were taking a risk. They didn't do anything at safety and are starting a rookie which they hadn't done much of in the past. I think Howie and the coaches knew they had a strong core of star players on defense (finally!) and were going to try to make that work. With the players that left last offseason, I saw the defense replenishing as a 2 year plan. Campbell solidifies the LB spot, Mukuba safety and some depth. Next year they need to add help at Edge and corner. There's also O line depth needed and a new TE. Which is why I wish Howie hadn't traded away too many draft picks already. But if they do well enough this season with what they have then adding those additional pieces next year keeps the roster strong and spreads out rookie contracts.

The offense is expensive and that's going to have to transition to some younger players there to balance out the defensive contracts that are coming.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve been thinking about this with the people who want to trade AJ Brown. I’m never against trading somebody because there’s always a price you’re willing to trade somebody for. However, the issue becomes you’re going to have to replace AJ Brown. The Eagles have been awful at drafting and developing wide receivers. Devonta Smith is about the only wide receiver since howie came back that has been a good starting wide receiver. Mack Hollins is probably the second best.

Then you go to the trades. We were going to make a trade for Calvin Ridley and give him an extension and that fell through. That was before we acquired AJ Brown. That would’ve been a bad trade based off how Ridley‘s career has played out. He got AJ Brown for that package which is a great deal. His next trade was for Dotson for a third. ok trade.

So to me, the issue is really I don’t know if there’s gonna be another AJ Brown on the trade market in the next couple years. Also they haven’t shown enough to definitively think they’re just gonna draft a guy and he’s gonna eventually replace him.

No intelligent person actually wants this, they're just up in their feelings.

And Howie isn't a stupid person, which is why he's not going to trade him. It's the same cycle every year, I wonder when people will learn.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think their depth in future years is going to be better. I think that’s what they addressed this off-season. Imo Hinton, Williams and Kendall were all drafted to be the future backups and potentially maybe one becomes a starter down the road. I think howie looked at the market and said I could bring in a guy like pryor, trade for a guy like green and I still have toth try to get by this year. I think their plan last off-season was to get three or four rookie offensive lineman in here on rookie contracts to develop them to be their depth over the next three years.

I think this year he was just hoping pryor, Toth, and Green would be good enough. It clearly isn’t. Give credit he did trade back for Fred Johnson .

Sure, but that doesn't help them in the here and now. And right now, we get to watch Toth. 🤢

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If I mis remember he played some snaps at guard this year and equally sucked.

Hes always been garbage, guard or tackle, he had a couple games last year with the bears where he didnt look like complete trash and some how this myth started that hes a good OG, hes not, never has been, hes garbage.

Fair enough. But I've seen Matt Pryor at least look like an NFL caliber player. I've never seen that from Toth.

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why I think they would let Goedert walk and replace that position with a draft pick/1 year guy

I really think the tight end market in 2026 offseason is gonna have some solid choices and can get a solid deal for a 1-2 year deal. Still draft a TE in round 2-4 and let him develop for a year

FA TEs:

Andrews

Njoku

Pitts

Higbee

Otton

Likely

Goedert

Okonkwo (frankly loved to see him with an actual franchise that’s not a dumpster fire)

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's not a one year thing though. The last time they did an in-season extension was Goedert back in 2021.

Ah, ok, I hadn't recalled that. It used to be a common thing though. As long as they sign him this offseason I'm good.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure, but that doesn't help them in the here and now. And right now, we get to watch Toth. 🤢

That’s the part he Fed on. I was fine with pryor, Johnson and Kendall. He probably should’ve gotten another veteran FA over Toth. Think he believe stoutland could get green to be competent. Gross mistake as he is just bad. I don’t get their fascination with toth. He has been in the league since 2018 and he didn’t really belong then. He really still doesn’t

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm so jealous of seeing every other HC give updates about injuries and tell the world on Friday who is or isn't playing this week. Meanwhile we can't even get a bread crumb of what Jurgens injury even is besides "knee".

We haven't had that for years. I think the ultra secrecy started with Doug

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really think the tight end market in 2026 offseason is gonna have some solid choices and can get a solid deal for a 1-2 year deal. Still draft a TE in round 2-4 and let him develop for a year

FA TEs:

Andrews

Njoku

Pitts

Higbee

Otton

Likely

Goedert

Okonkwo (frankly loved to see him with an actual franchise that’s not a dumpster fire)

Okonkwo should be signed as a FB. I think you have to move on from BVS at this point if you want a FB in the offense. You dont really want to roster a backup FB, and as such, BVS just isnt reliable to be your only rostered FB.

Sign Chig at FB who can also line up as a TE in 2 or 3 TE sets. But also sign one of the others as a TE.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

If I mis remember he played some snaps at guard this year and equally sucked.

Hes always been garbage, guard or tackle, he had a couple games last year with the bears where he didnt look like complete trash and some how this myth started that hes a good OG, hes not, never has been, hes garbage.

I do not think Pryor has had the opportunity to fill in at Guard this season. I remember calling for it, and you saying no, he sucks. And now I think youre remembering it as if he actually played there and sucked.

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think a steen is more likely to walk. I think they believe Hinton or Williams can be developed by Stoutland and eventually one is a solid starter. I also think they believe they can find another steen in the middle round and have stout build him up to where Steen is now and save some money there. That’s why I don’t think they sign him. Then use the money they save elsewhere.

Tbh I think your point applies more to Blankenship. They haven’t exactly been great at drafting safety’s and Blankenship isn’t going to break the bank

Relying on Stoutland to get late round picks and college FA to be starting caliber is a losing strategy, as we are currently witnessing. Stout is a really good coach, but he becomes a great coach when he is given real talent to mold rather than borderline backups/practice squad talent.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ah, ok, I hadn't recalled that. It used to be a common thing though. As long as they sign him this offseason I'm good.

Yea, it feels like something Howie adopted as common practice as a result of the drama with Ertz and his contract. He extended Goedert as soon as Ertz was out the door and he was the last one. Feels like he tied up all his loose ends with the Ertz fallout and doesn't want to have that happen again.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Relying on Stoutland to get late round picks and college FA to be starting caliber is a losing strategy, as we are currently witnessing. Stout is a really good coach, but he becomes a great coach when he is given real talent to mold rather than borderline backups/practice squad talent.

Incorrect. We havent had to draft a 1st round lineman in quite a while. And the OL has remained excellent. What we have this year is not due to a failure by Stoutland to turn late round picks in to starters. Its an injury riddled OL. Which is getting a lot out of its backups considering the pass protection is still excellent. Thanks to Stoutland, and Howie.

Also, a bit hyperbolic by you. We dont really rely on UDFAs. We drafted Steen in round 3, and Jergens in round 2. We can survive in mid-round picks, especially if given enough time in Stoutland U.

Its not realistic to expect guys like Hollin Pierce, or Hinton to start right away, or even be ready to back up right away. But, thats not a fialure on Stout's part, and not the eagles strategy anyway.

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Relying on Stoutland to get late round picks and college FA to be starting caliber is a losing strategy, as we are currently witnessing. Stout is a really good coach, but he becomes a great coach when he is given real talent to mold rather than borderline backups/practice squad talent.

I think Williams they believe if he went back to school would’ve been a top 3 round guy. The others in Hinton and Kendall i don’t think they view their ceiling as being coming a starter. Do believe they can have them become quality backups though. I think William they do simply because almost every projection had him going back to school and the following year he would’ve been a top two round guy.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you about just banking on stoutland with late round guys becoming starters. however, Steen was drafted in the 3rd round and became what he did. I think the eagles probably think they can find another Tyler Steen in the third or fourth round, have him for 4 cheap years and have Stoutland do the same with him rather than pay steen decent money that can be used elsewhere .

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Williams they believe if he went back to school would’ve been a top 3 round guy. The others in Hinton and Kendall i don’t think they view their ceiling as being coming a starter. Do believe they can have them become quality backups though. I think William they do simply because almost every projection had him going back to school and the following year he would’ve been a top two round guy.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you, however, Steen was drafted in the 3rd round and became what he did. I think the eagles probably think they can find another Tyler Steen in the third or fourth round and have Stoutland do the same with him.

I do have confidence in Stoutland to get Hinton, or Pierce, or someone else ready to play soon enough. But, the eagles will continue drafting mid-round picks too just in case. I think a guy like Kendall will be ready to be a backup this year at some point. And start in year 2. 

I also think Id like to see a 2nd round OL this year. Its never all that exciting. But considering that 3rd round pick we have will probably be #1 its almost like we have an extra 2nd round pick to work with. So Id like to use it to make a big investment in to a day 1 starting caliber OL. 

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Milton through 7 games in 2024...

Ojomo through 7 games in 2025...

More sacks, tackles, QB hits, and passes defended. Yes, he has played more snaps due to the absences of Carter. But if you normalize for the difference in snaps, his stats are still either similar or better.

Not sure how you define "obvious".

He's more than likely related to Milton.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I do have confidence in Stoutland to get Hinton, or Pierce, or someone else ready to play soon enough. But, the eagles will continue drafting mid-round picks too just in case. I think a guy like Kendall will be ready to be a backup this year at some point. And start in year 2. 

I also think Id like to see a 2nd round OL this year. Its never all that exciting. But considering that 3rd round pick we have will probably be #1 its almost like we have an extra 2nd round pick to work with. So Id like to use it to make a big investment in to a day 1 starting caliber OL. 

Tbh I thought Kendall was the most ready out of all the guys they drafted and brought in as undrafted for agents along the OL. I think he could probably play center and be competent.

Imo Williams was always a long term project for them. He really should’ve went back to Texas. But ultimately, I think down the road it may pay off big for the Eagles. Cause I think he has all the talent in the world to be a starter in the NFL. It was just always gonna take him time.

I’m in agreement with you. I’d like us to take an OL in the 2nd or with that jets pick. Imo I think they will spend a second round pick or that Jets pick on an offensive lineman. I would prefer it being an offensive tackle that can also have the versatility to play guard. But I’d be surprised if the eagles didn’t take an OL in the first 3 rounds.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh I thought Kendall was the most ready out of all the guys they drafted and brought in as undrafted for agents along the OL. I think he could probably play center and be competent.

Imo Williams was always a long term project for them. He really should’ve went back to Texas. But ultimately, I think down the road it may pay off big for the Eagles. Cause I think he has all the talent in the world to be a starter in the NFL. It was just always gonna take him time.

I’m in agreement with you. I’d like us to take an OL in the 2nd or with that jets pick. Imo I think they will spend a second round pick or that Jets pick on an offensive lineman. I would prefer it being an offensive tackle that can also have the versatility to play guard. But I’d be surprised if the eagles didn’t take an OL in the first 3 rounds.

Aside from having that pick, it just seems to be time. Lane is old. Dickerson and Jergens are prone to injury. And Steen is good but the type of guy youd always be willing to upgrade if the opportunity presents.

They can certainly use one, and they have the extra pick to do it without feeling like we have missed on taking a more exciting position as well.

Anxious to see what Lampkin has at C. He is undersized and suspecitble to bull rush in pass pro (although he does seem to get better in these preseason clips). I really like his movement skills, ability to get to the next level and push in the run game though.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Aside from having that pick, it just seems to be time. Lane is old. Dickerson and Jergens are prone to injury. And Steen is good but the type of guy youd always be willing to upgrade if the opportunity presents.

They can certainly use one, and they have the extra pick to do it without feeling like we have missed on taking a more exciting position as well.

Just a theory of mine, if the Eagles weren’t able to get Campbell this year in the draft. I think they would’ve also tried to move up a couple spots to leap frog the chiefs and to get Simmons (if that failed then trade back). If he didn’t get injured, he would’ve been a top 15 player in that draft. So the fact that he would’ve fallen close enough to get that type of prospect makes sense for the Eagles. Plus, he has positional versatility as he very likely could play guard until you need him to play tackle. Furthermore, I just think it’s a guy that Stoutland would love to have.

Power Move by Jalen

As an aside, EJ Smith said earlier this week that he knows for a fact that a lot of Eagles players in that building feel the same way about the Eagles offense that AJ Brown does and are on his side with his frustrations with it.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just a theory of mine, if the Eagles weren’t able to get Campbell this year in the draft. I think they would’ve also tried to move up a couple spots to leap frog the chiefs and to get Simmons. If he didn’t get injured, he would’ve been a top 15 player in that draft. So the fact that he would’ve fallen close enough to get that type of prospect makes sense for the Eagles. Plus, he has positional versatility as he very likely could play guard until you need him to play tackle. Furthermore, I just think it’s a guy that Stoutland would love to have.

Tyler Booker looking good in Dallas too. I dont even know how well he is playing, but I noticed he is dirty. And you love having that nasty when its on your OL.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

As an aside, EJ Smith said earlier this week that he knows for a fact that a lot of Eagles players in that building feel the same way about the Eagles offense that AJ Brown does and are on his side with his frustrations with it.

It would be impossible to imagine otherwise. All the credit in the world to Sirianni for being able to keep so many of them quiet and motivated.