2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Russini:

• Cleveland star Myles Garrett is not getting traded. Teams have checked in, but as one high-ranking source texted: "He’s a Brown and will remain a Brown.”

• Miami has received interest from the Eagles, 49ers, Patriots and others on OLB Jaelan Phillips (The Dolphins are looking for at least a third-rounder in return). They’re also getting calls on DE Bradley Chubb and OLB Matthew Judon.

• The Eagles need an edge rusher and asked the Jets about Jermaine Johnson. It makes sense, considering former Jets GM Joe Douglas drafted him in New York and is now Philly’s senior personnel director. However, New York has held a high asking price of a second-round pick or better.

• Many teams, including the Rams, 49ers, Lions, Colts and Eagles, have called the Bengals on numerous players, including LB Logan Wilson, CB Cam Taylor-Britt and, of course, DE Trey Hendrickson. For now, some teams don’t believe Cincinnati has any real interest in moving its core pieces.

Surprised he chose more money earlier this year instead of ring chasing

He's 30 but there will be a bidding war if they were to ever let Garrett go

Reminder: Stafford is an obviously inferior NFL QB to Hurts.

Not because he played in Detroit or he played during lower passer rating average years.

He is a far inferior QB to Hurts 2022-present.

Hurts is 4-0 vs Stafford

Stafford is 27-20 1-2 since the start of 2022

Hurts is 43-12 6-2 (this comparison is hilarious. The concept of Elite Stafford is a joke)

Stafford is a 94.5 rated passer in that time

Hurts is 99.5

Stafford has 71 passing TDs to 21 picks for a 3.38 to 1 ratio.

Hurts has 78 passing TDs to 27picks for a 2.89 TD to INT

This is advantage Stafford until you realize rushing TDs also count for scores.

Stafford has 1 rushing TD in 4 years. Hurts has 47.

Stafford's TD to turnovers from 2022-present is 72 to 28 or 2.57 to 1

Hurts' TD to turnovers is 125 to 40 or 3.13 to 1

Yes Hurts has 53 more TDs than Stafford since the start of 2022.

To be fair, Stafford was injured for more games so lets do TDs per game.

Stafford 1.53 TDs per game.

Hurts 2.27 TDs per game

Hurts produces about 50% more TDs per game than Stafford.

BTW, there is no more elite stat than QBs who average 2+ TDs per game in the regular season and playoffs.

The list is Brees, Rodgers, Allen, Hurts and Mahomes.

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/10129-hate-to-say-it%E2%80%A6-hurts-got-paid-he%E2%80%99s-done/page/80/#findComment-2065430

There is also a myth that Stafford was some great QB in Detroit being held back by Calvin Johnson and company. (also hilarious)

Here is one for you. Stafford was on a 12 or 13 win team on talent in 2011 and he sunk them to 10 wins.

Like the 2008 Eagles his team was not the best but the best teams were flawed and beatable.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201111130chi.htm

4 picks, 2 of them returned for TDs. Lets blame the Lions defense!

The Lions were 6-2 going into that game. The Bears were 5-3 on their way to 8-8

He wins that game and the Lions get a playoff game in NY vs the 9-7 Giants instead of vs the Saints in the Superdome.

Maybe He wins a playoff game or two and Eli is a nobody.

We will never know because Stafford was just a little guy in a big moment.

Here is another game from that season:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201109110tam.htm

27-20 loss, I wonder if the Stafford pick 6 factored into the outcome?

A stats guy will praise Stafford for throwing 41 TDs on a bad team.

The truth is he tossed 44 TDs that year on a good team. Three of them were scored by the defense resulting in 2 extra losses.

Asking price and transaction price are obviously 2 very different things, but I do not like any of these guys for their respective asking prices.

53 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't think Nolan Smith will get a new contract this offseason, Jalen Carter needs to come on down the stretch to establish top value or that might be a tough negotiation

I have a feeling the sentiment on Carter will be that this year was an injury impacted anomaly and not what he's going to be every year. That may or may not be accurate. But looking at this year in isolation, he's not worth any kind of big contract and has unquestionably cost himself money.

In a way, this helps the Eagles a lot. A franchise defensive player type contract just isn't going to be on the table. He can't even be offended by that. So if they do try to get him for a multi-year extension and one does believe that he's so much more than we've seen this year, they are going to save a LOT of money.

If Carter believes in himself, he should probably just play out next year and then go for the bigger contract.

It's a weird situation where you may actually wind up with the team wanting the extension and the player wanting to play out the season.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Good news, Myles Garrett might be traded.

Well she has been banging the AJ trade guarantee for 2 years now and hasn’t been right. Shes a bum reporter

We like to nitpick every single throw from Hurts. Lets apply the same microscope to Stafford in a game we all watched.

How did that one start out 7-0 Philly? Oh, Stafford gave the Eagles the ball.

Stafford got 7 on a 10 yard drive after Matt Pryor attempted to kill Hurts and Jalen fumbled.

Here are the Rams drives that day the did not start at the Eagles 10 yard line:

1 - pick leading to 7 for the Eagles

2 - FG

3 - TD

4 - FG

5 - FG

6 - punt

7 - turnover on downs

8 - block

9 - block

So outside of a 10 yard drive, he was 1 for 9 on TDs, settled for FG attempts 6 times, turned the ball over twice (pick and downs) and had a punt

The Rams starting field position:

Rams 23

Rams 30

Rams 46

Rams 34

Rams 46

Philly 48

Philly 10

Rams 30

Rams 30

7 times Philly started at their 21 or worse

The Eagles had a Matt Pryor sized hole between their 1st TD and their 2nd.

Lots of QBs could have beaten the Eagles that day.

Good thing the Rams only had Stafford at QB.

8 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Well she has been banging the AJ trade guarantee for 2 years now and hasn’t been right. Shes a bum reporter

Where have we seen/read this before...

Micah Parsons is NOT getting traded...he's a Cowboy and will remain a Cowboy...

Anyone seen Micah? Hello...Micah...Micah, you there???

Take it FWIW

33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have a feeling the sentiment on Carter will be that this year was an injury impacted anomaly and not what he's going to be every year. That may or may not be accurate. But looking at this year in isolation, he's not worth any kind of big contract and has unquestionably cost himself money.

In a way, this helps the Eagles a lot. A franchise defensive player type contract just isn't going to be on the table. He can't even be offended by that. So if they do try to get him for a multi-year extension and one does believe that he's so much more than we've seen this year, they are going to save a LOT of money.

If Carter believes in himself, he should probably just play out next year and then go for the bigger contract.

It's a weird situation where you may actually wind up with the team wanting the extension and the player wanting to play out the season.

Caveat being there's a lot of season left. If Carter comes on in the last 9 games which would be great for Eagles too then he'll get a top deal.

59 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Surprised he chose more money earlier this year instead of ring chasing

He's 30 but there will be a bidding war if they were to ever let Garrett go

I imagine it has to be extremely hard to turn down the money they offered him.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I imagine it has to be extremely hard to turn down the money they offered him.

He's made around 150M over his career. Unless he's been absolutely horrible with managing his money then he should be fine. He's going into the hall already. Why not ring chase?

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Caveat being there's a lot of season left. If Carter comes on in the last 9 games which would be great for Eagles too then he'll get a top deal.

I feel like we won't see the dominant Carter we normally do the rest of the season because of the things he's playing through like that shoulder. Although that could help get his contract at a better rate along with his spitting contest with Dak

1 hour ago, Eriv20 said:

Well she has been banging the AJ trade guarantee for 2 years now and hasn’t been right. Shes a bum reporter

Yup. Irrelevant "reporter”

She has become a joke

41 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Take it FWIW

Its worth nothing

Please stop posting these garbage accounts

Jermaine Johnson and Jaelan Phillips are not and have not been good for a while, IMO. They are "body for the rotation" level guys. 5th round value. Maybe more there with Phillips, but it sounds like people in Miami think he's not all the way back from his injury...and Johnson never got there in the first place and definitely isn't back.

Bradley Chubb, Chasey Young...not special, but they can play. Young is only 26 and one might still have some optimism that whatever made him the #1 overall pick is still in there waiting to be unleashed. Chubb has been playing at a higher level. This seems to be the targettable tier.

MG, Crosby, Hendrickson...all studs, all pipe dreams.

The only thing the non-pipe dream options have in common is that they are all first round picks who never really lived up to their draft status...exception being Chubb, but now he's older and coming off an ACL. So all of these guys are very, very flawed. I wouldn't give up much for any of them.

I think I prefer BG to either of those guys.

They don't stay healthy.

They don't get to the QB anymore.

Neither are worth a 3rd round pick even if you have 4 of them.

We know BG is going to set the edge and he is going to win and get home sometimes.

Wish we could draft Caleb Downs

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

I think I prefer BG to either of those guys.

They don't stay healthy.

They don't get to the QB anymore.

We know BG is going to set the edge and he is going to win and get home sometimes.

BG has never really gotten to the QB his whole career. 1 year of double digit sacks in 15 years? Now he’s old and washed

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Jermaine Johnson and Jaelan Phillips are not and have not been good for a while, IMO. They are "body for the rotation" level guys. 5th round value. Maybe more there with Phillips, but it sounds like people in Miami think he's not all the way back from his injury...and Johnson never got there in the first place and definitely isn't back.

Bradley Chubb, Chasey Young...not special, but they can play. Young is only 26 and one might still have some optimism that whatever made him the #1 overall pick is still in there waiting to be unleashed. Chubb has been playing at a higher level. This seems to be the targettable tier.

MG, Crosby, Hendrickson...all studs, all pipe dreams.

Young seems like a guy people keep dreaming on but he hasn't showed anything near the top 2 pick value (#2 fwiw). I agree Chubb has the most to offer today. Phillips is a bet that he is getting back into form which was very good before injury. Jermaine Johnson to me is nowhere near worth a high pick right now. He's a guy who might do well with a change of scenery but that's far from a given

I thought Chase Young would be Myles Garrett level coming out of OSU. He underachieved worse than Clowney but that upside is tempting.

Chubb is probably the best option overall if I had to pick

22 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Young seems like a guy people keep dreaming on but he hasn't showed anything near the top 2 pick value (#2 fwiw). I agree Chubb has the most to offer today. Phillips is a bet that he is getting back into form which was very good before injury. Jermaine Johnson to me is nowhere near worth a high pick right now. He's a guy who might do well with a change of scenery but that's far from a given

19 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I thought Chase Young would be Myles Garrett level coming out of OSU. He underachieved worse than Clowney but that upside is tempting.

Chubb is probably the best option overall if I had to pick

That's right, #2.

I think the right trade depends on a few variables.  I don't know which of these teams do or do not have the same GM's who drafted the players.  It takes a certain degree of job security and pride-swallowing to unload a guy you drafted in round 1 just to get some fractional return.  They are going to want to win any deal sending these guys out.  Other teams with new GMs in a tailspin might be more inclined to go the "give us something, anything" route.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's right, #2.

I think the right trade depends on a few variables.  I don't know which of these teams do or do not have the same GM's who drafted the players.  It takes a certain degree of job security and pride-swallowing to unload a guy you drafted in round 1 just to get some fractional return.  They are going to want to win any deal sending these guys out.  Other teams with new GMs in a tailspin might be more inclined to go the "give us something, anything" route.

Neither is with their original team. Young is actually on his 3rd team. As far as the Dolphins, their GM just got canned. I’m not sure where either is in their contract.

Chubb seems like probably the best and most likely scenario. A 3rd seems like the most likely option that both teams would feel good about.

Howie gave up a 3rd for Golden Tate and I think some pass rusher from the Browns who did literally nothing. Both mid season.

IMO, the best trade deadline deals (for both sides) are the ones that simply address inefficiencies in the player personnel market.

Good player making good money with limited control/years (0.5-1.5) left on the deal on a team that is transitioning towards a rebuild getting traded to a team in a playoff push with a positional need. That's just natural osmosis there. Everyone walks away happy.

Still young but disappointing first round picks nearing the end of the deal are best exchanged in the offseason. That's when you have a chance to let your coaches, system, etc take them in a new direction. They aren't going to give you anything in the back stretch of the season on a brand new team.

And the all-pro big names...there is too much posturing and macho negotiating. No one cares if Chubb wins a SB on the Eagles. If the Browns trade MG to the Eagles and the team and defense win a SB on his back, it's going to be another story in Brown history that never goes away. And the Eagles will have to pay Cleveland for that fear in extra draft capital.

IMO, Chubb is the only one that fits that description. There are probably a couple CBs that do too.

If you want Hendrickson or a shot at him at least, root for the Bengals to lose tomorrow.