2 minutes ago, just relax said:

To the contrary. He constantly says he's looking for win-win situations. No one will trade with a guy who doesn't give fair value.

Sure, he says that. And then video comes out of him haggling over a few spots at the end of the 5th round with the other GM calling him "unbelievable” and "a pain in the ass.”

It’s by no means a negative trait or something to complain about. But to think Howie doesn’t care about winning trades means you don’t know Howie.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure, he says that. And then video comes out of him haggling over a few spots at the end of the 5th round with the other GM calling him "unbelievable” and "a pain in the ass.”

It’s by no means a negative trait or something to complain about. But to think Howie doesn’t care about winning trades means you don’t know Howie.

In this case he did cut Green already so he was willing to do that. Maybe given the roster spot now he is trying to keep hope alive with Green. Ultimately I think he’ll cut him again anyway

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

In this case he did cut Green already so he was willing to do that. Maybe given the roster spot now he is trying to keep hope alive with Green. Ultimately I think he’ll cut him again anyway

It would make sense if someone was sniffing around him and wanted to poach him off the PS. Otherwise he’s the 11th lineman on an expiring contract and may not even dress Thursday.

Keeping Kenyon Green on the PS is one thing, adding him to the active roster is a bit head scratching. Do they think they can fix him yet?

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Keeping Kenyon Green on the PS is one thing, adding him to the active roster is a bit head scratching. Do they think they can fix him yet?

Its rational if they feel like they dont have enough data to decide yet

4 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

"These guys should have multiple SB wins. Their problem? They’re playing at the same time as Mahomes.”

It’s a BS thought, but a prevailing one.

IMO it's valid. Playing in the same division or even conference as Mahomes doesn't help when trying to get to the SB

May Ty Robinson inherit all the good vibes left by Brandon Graham.

If I'm crossing the river Styx, give me BG all day.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

I think the "doesn't listen to Vic" chatter is theater.

JMO

Howie has to make the final call for obvious reasons, he has two coordinators and a couple position coaches who he respects.

So he can't keep everyone they want, which means he has to be the final arbiter.

But it's unlikely he makes these decisions without input from coaches who have a better feel for these players.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure, he says that. And then video comes out of him haggling over a few spots at the end of the 5th round with the other GM calling him "unbelievable” and "a pain in the ass.”

It’s by no means a negative trait or something to complain about. But to think Howie doesn’t care about winning trades means you don’t know Howie.

And they keep dealing with him. I think that's more respect than anything, he tries to extract as much value as he can, but he doesn't screw people.

So he's a pain to deal with, but he's not someone you have to check to see if your hand is still attached after you shake hands.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure, he says that. And then video comes out of him haggling over a few spots at the end of the 5th round with the other GM calling him "unbelievable” and "a pain in the ass.”

It’s by no means a negative trait or something to complain about. But to think Howie doesn’t care about winning trades means you don’t know Howie.

I haven’t disagree. Howie probably makes more trades than any other GM. If he’s always screwing his trading partners why would anyone trade with him? The answer is, they wouldn’t. Yet they do. Howie wants trades that improve the Eagles. Winning is irrelevant.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Still haven’t signed Javon Baker. Signing Green to the roster feels like Howie not admitting to loss in a trade.

Marshall being back doesn't bode well for signing Baker or Rice unfortunately. Id prefer baker or rice.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Still haven’t signed Javon Baker. Signing Green to the roster feels like Howie not admitting to loss in a trade.

I assume Green will be released when/if Lampkin gets off IR, and re-add Green to the PS assuming he clears waivers.

40 minutes ago, austinfan said:

And they keep dealing with him. I think that's more respect than anything, he tries to extract as much value as he can, but he doesn't screw people.

So he's a pain to deal with, but he's not someone you have to check to see if your hand is still attached after you shake hands.

More like honor among thieves. They only have a small number of gms they must deal with. And try to extract maximum value. Its not respect its cost of doing business

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I assume Green will be released when/if Lampkin gets off IR, and re-add Green to the PS assuming he clears waivers.

A best case scenario is no one needs to go on IR each week but it often plays out differently

49 minutes ago, just relax said:

I haven’t disagree. Howie probably makes more trades than any other GM. If he’s always screwing his trading partners why would anyone trade with him? The answer is, they wouldn’t. Yet they do. Howie wants trades that improve the Eagles. Winning is irrelevant.

You don’t have to screw someone over to win a trade. They didn’t screw the Titans over AJ Brown, but it turned into a massive win. Even just improving the Eagles comes with the inherent job of winning trades and consistently coming out on top. You won’t stay GM for long pulling a Chip Kelly and trading away assets for lesser returns.

Mukuba should feel safe. Sydney Brown though...

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All the time. it’s been out there he hates losing trades

I believe he has mellowed a bit on that in recent seasons. He cut bait on Huff. He cut bait on DTR. He cut bait on CJGJ twice.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Theater from Vic when he says he didn’t have input about Huff, Jackson, trading Booker, etc?

Yes, exactly. Lots of showmanship in the NFL, especially when talking to the media. Lots of chain pulling as well.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yep. He said it a few times. Howie has final say on 53, Nick has final say on game day actives

Final say only matters if you get to a situation where there is an impasse. Effective collaboration does not lead to impasses. As they say, reasonable people can agree to disagree reasonably.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure, he says that. And then video comes out of him haggling over a few spots at the end of the 5th round with the other GM calling him "unbelievable” and "a pain in the ass.”

It’s by no means a negative trait or something to complain about. But to think Howie doesn’t care about winning trades means you don’t know Howie.

Winning a trade is more often than not independent of the other team’s perception of the value the are receiving. Take the Booker trade as an example. For Howie, what Booker’s value to the Eagles was is what mattered. He was their #5 DT. The fact that he would be the Raiders’ #1 DT was irrelevant. Value delivered on the field in a Raiders uniform yields no value to the Eagles. Booker’s only value to the Eagles is the NET on the field subtraction because he is gone. That is put on one side of the balance beam scale. Similarly, the value the Raiders are losing by moving on from Bennett is irrelevant. All that matters is the on the field value addition that Bennett delivers wearing Eagles green.

It isn’t "I win, you lose” like you are arguing for. It is "I win, and you take care of yourself.” Whether the other side of the trade wins or loses really doesn’t matter to Howie. The reason for that is that NFL trades are not Zero Sum transactions.

7 hours ago, just relax said:

The game that did it for me was the Colts - Giants classic in 1958, Alan Ameche scoring the winning TD in overtime. Watched it in black and white. I didn’t become an Eagles fan right away because we lived in Michigan - Ann Arbor - so I plugged into the Lions, with Bobby Layne et al. When I ended up in Philadelphia I hung out with Billy Bradley and Tim Rossovich; been a die-hard birds fan ever since. Used to do my drinking at Dirty Frank’s where Tom Woodeshick tended bar.

New Orleans didn’t get the Saints until after I left but in the AFL era I was drawn to Billy Cannon. (I know, defensive guy loving a halfback but aside from OL, HB is the.closest to a defensive player there is on offense). As you know, I have always liked college ball and loved the Oklahoma (my grandmother went to school in OK back in the 1910s) and Nebraska (my dad’s grad school and thus my first college team) rivalry. Later, I had a colleague that went to PSU and she and I argued at length about Nebraska and PSU both being undefeated but Nebraska being crowned national champion. (Polls were right). My first loyalty is to the Coogs but after that, let’s just say when Nebraska joined the Big 10, my daughter made me a half PSU/half Nebraska shirt. Assume you are still loyal to Michigan.

Redheaded dream and I had plans yesterday (mostly little sisters of the mercy day),, but I recorded a bunch of college games to watch. Really like the PSU OC and I am hoping Patullo, like AR has his notebook out because I am dying to watch for the OL motioning from the slot that @HazletonEagle mentioned. Thanks to all that posted the clips.

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its rational if they feel like they dont have enough data to decide yet

But if they need more data they can get that with him on the Practice Squad

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

IMO it's valid. Playing in the same division or even conference as Mahomes doesn't help when trying to get to the SB

That's only an impediment if Mahomes is the one knocking you out of the playoffs. Manning had to deal with Brady and was often kicked out by Brady. How many times has Jackson matched up against Mahomes in the post-season? Only once by my count.

2018-19 season - Ravens bounced in Wild Card Round by Chargers.

2019-20 season - Ravens bounced in Divisional Round by Titans. ***Ravens were the 1 seed this year.

2020-21 season - Ravens bounced in Divisional Round by Bills.

2021-22 season - N/A

2022-23 season - N/A

2023-24 season - Ravens bounced in Divisional Round by Chiefs.

2024-25 season - Ravens bounced in Divisional Round by Bills.

The argument could be made that the AFC has the better QBs. But the Ravens have only been bounced with Lamar at QB by Mahomes once. Allen twice. And the other two were Tannehill (88 yards passing) and Rivers (160 yards passing). So, its not like he was facing prime Brady, Manning or Brees. That's pretty pedestrian performances.

Playoff records: 0-1 Mahomes, 0-2 Allen, 1-1 Tannehill, 1-0 Stroud, 0-1 Rivers, 1-0 Wilson

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Howie has to make the final call for obvious reasons, he has two coordinators and a couple position coaches who he respects.

So he can't keep everyone they want, which means he has to be the final arbiter.

But it's unlikely he makes these decisions without input from coaches who have a better feel for these players.

Just as he constructs his Draft Board with input from his scouts