20 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

There's two parts to this conversation and I've had this debate countless times over the years considering I've been a pro-wrestling fan for almost 30 years now since I was a kid.

1. Wrestling is not a sport in the same way that football, baseball, basketball, etc are. The fact that it is pre-determined disqualifies it from that point. Vince McMahon introduced the term "sports entertainment" a while ago and that's what everyone in the industry refers to it as because that's what it is. It has components of a sport with the athleticism required to perform, but it's also entertainment the same way your favorite TV show is scripted, choreographed, has characters, and a storyline. Vince Jr. changed the narrative that Vince Sr. had. Back in the 60s, pro wrestling was presented as "real". But as I said before, that cat has been out of the bag now for almost 50 years.

2. I've never liked using or hearing the phrase that "wrestling is fake". I've always viewed it as an uneducated, outsider take coming from someone who doesn't really understand or follow the nuances of pro wrestling, doesn't know its history, doesn't know what goes into it, and the fact that the talent actually suffer injuries while performing. Some devastating, life altering, or have caused death. If I went up to a stuntman and said "Hey, you know what you do is fake, right?" he would take that as an offensive comment based on the work he puts into the craft. There's nothing fake about those guys like Ric Flair being on the road 300 days a year back in the day, or about what happened to Darren Drozdov, or someone busting their tail in front of 30 people in a high school gym hoping they get noticed by a major promotion to make it big, and there's nothing fake about the countless other tragic stories that litter wrestling history.

For anyone who actually cares to learn more about it, I'd suggest watching the documentary Beyond the Mat.

I appreciate the education. Remove the word sports entirely, and we are good (or maybe put it in quotes). It's entertainment. It's live event entertainment, with stunts and a soap opera. It's like Cirque du Soleil, in that it's very talented people putting on a show. It speaks to some people, it doesn't to others. To each their own.

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It is nice to see how well they wrap up when they're making tackles.

Some playoff predictions for the 20220 draft class after week 2:

At the end of year 6:

Hurts 5 for 5 playoffs as starter

Love 5 playoffs (3 for 3 as starter)

Herbert 3 playoffs as starter

Tua 2 playoffs

Burrow 2 playoffs

The argument can begin whether or not Joe’s actually the best QB in that draft. The single best ability is availability

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Tell me you have no clue what you are talking about without telling me. It's scripted, not fake. These are two very different things. Most of the guys doing this at the highest level in the WWE are incredible athletes who also take significant bumps and literally break their bodies to perform for fans.

The punishment they take is very real. I never considered it a sport but majority of wrestlers are very athletic.

Used to love it as a younger kid but no so much anymore. I do watch Wrestlemania every year unless the matches are stupid.

I tend to enjoy the behind the scenes stuff alot. It's incredibly fascinating to me to hear the stories of what went on backstage and in their lives outside the ring.

Big injury for the rams

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It is nice to see how well they wrap up when they're making tackles.

A good wrap up tackle beats a big hit any day, IMO.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Trolling the whole NFL.

20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The thing that has made the best wrestlers of all time is promo skills on the microphone. And, the writing team.

Cena was never as entertaining as Stone Cold or the Rock on the mic. Those 2 are in a league of their own.

And they wouldnt have been as entertaining if they werent up to so much debauchery most of the time. Nothing beats the hilarious things Stone Cold used to do to Vince McMahon.

Triple H and Shawn Michaels were at their best while members of DX.

I cant get in to wrestling these days because it seems nothing will ever compare to that era, mostly thanks to Stone Cold and the rock.

It'll never get back to that era. It was the perfect zeitgeist of the times, it meshed with the type of culture that was prominent in entertainment at that time whether it was anti-heroes, people being into edgier forms of entertainment/music like grunge, gangster rap, nu-metal, and the characters leaned hard into that formula. It eventually ran its course by the end of the 2000s and they abandoned that coveted 18-49 demographic by making things more PG. Cena played a big role in that and it's why I'll never have him in that realm of guys that you mentioned. He is Frank Gore to me. A good player who just lasted a long time, but never better than the top guys.

As entertaining as they were, Rock, Austin, and Michaels could absolutely go in the ring all with different styles. Rock was a freak athlete for his build, Austin had more of a brute style, and Michaels is considered one of, if not, the best technical wrestlers of all time along with Bret Hart.

6 hours ago, DaEagles4Life said:

It’s time to call any QB who plays behind that execrable OL as injury prone.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

America’s Team

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The thing that has made the best wrestlers of all time is promo skills on the microphone. And, the writing team.

Cena was never as entertaining as Stone Cold or the Rock on the mic. Those 2 are in a league of their own.

And they wouldnt have been as entertaining if they werent up to so much debauchery most of the time. Nothing beats the hilarious things Stone Cold used to do to Vince McMahon.

Triple H and Shawn Michaels were at their best while members of DX.

I cant get in to wrestling these days because it seems nothing will ever compare to that era, mostly thanks to Stone Cold and the rock.

I never watched the actual wrestling but I loved the tough talk beforehand and most of all, I loved that high eyebrow of the Rock. To me it was vaudeville.

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

I never watched the actual wrestling but I loved the tough talk beforehand and most of all, I loved that high eyebrow of the Rock. To me it was vaudeville.

On a trade deadline note, I think the Eagles primary needs heading into the trade deadline are CB, RG, and TE...with edge rusher as a dark horse.

Every team in the NFL would love to add more edge rushing threats...and Jalyx Hunt has hardly heard his name called all year. We could be better there. Unfortunately, it's one of the most expensive positions to improve via trade.

CB speaks for itself.

RG...again, Steen is more "fine" than anyone acknowledges. But this offense severely misses having a RG that pushes people backwards. That's just not his game. Offensive linemen have long careers and are usually longer-term holds...we've seen them get moved in the offseason, but I can't recall much trade deadline movement along the OL.

I don't criticize players for being "made of glass," but bodies can quit on professional athletes. It would just be wishful thinking at this point to pretend the TE position is any better than Grant Calcaterra. And this is the position where I think there may be some very interesting deadline deals this year. I was the captain of the 12 personnel hate train, but that was before we had a generational RB. If we have run blocking issues, adding a stud TE opposite Goedert, if he does establish some availability, might also help to compensate for our interior OL regression.

Wow...I know Luck retired early, but it really puts it in perspective that he only put in the amount of time of the Burrow/Hurts/Tua/Herbert QB class. Time flies.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

On a trade deadline note, I think the Eagles primary needs heading into the trade deadline are CB, RG, and TE...with edge rusher as a dark horse.

Every team in the NFL would love to add more edge rushing threats...and Jalyx Hunt has hardly heard his name called all year. We could be better there. Unfortunately, it's one of the most expensive positions to improve via trade.

CB speaks for itself.

RG...again, Steen is more "fine" than anyone acknowledges. But this offense severely misses having a RG that pushes people backwards. That's just not his game. Offensive linemen have long careers and are usually longer-term holds...we've seen them get moved in the offseason, but I can't recall much trade deadline movement along the OL.

I don't criticize players for being "made of glass," but bodies can quit on professional athletes. It would just be wishful thinking at this point to pretend the TE position is any better than Grant Calcaterra. And this is the position where I think there may be some very interesting deadline deals this year. I was the captain of the 12 personnel hate train, but that was before we had a generational RB. If we have run blocking issues, adding a stud TE opposite Goedert, if he does establish some availability, might also help to compensate for our interior OL regression.

Id be most interested in a RG. Defense will be good enough as is. Guard trade would save us from having to make an unexciting OL pick.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id be most interested in a RG. Defense will be good enough as is. Guard trade would save us from having to make an unexciting OL pick.

Trading for a guard is sort of awkward. This offense demands a certain type of guard…they are out there, but there aren’t too many. Just any good starting guard on a selling team isn’t it. (And I’d still argue Steen is and can be an above league average starter). We had one of the bulldozers and let him walk for a pretty modest contract. Now we are going to trade a draft pick just to try to get one back?

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Trading for a guard is sort of awkward. This offense demands a certain type of guard…they are out there, but there aren’t too many. Just any good starting guard on a selling team isn’t it. (And I’d still argue Steen is and can be an above league average starter). We had one of the bulldozers and let him walk for a pretty modest contract. Now we are going to trade a draft pick just to try to get one back?

optics dont bother me so long as they get it right in the end.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

optics dont bother me so long as they get it right in the end.

Thats short sighted desperation. We are two weeks in

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

If I were to be a pain in the ass....scripted just means prepared in advance. Like the first series play calls are scripted.

Wrestling is not my cup of tea. It is an act. Sports are entertainment too, but that files under the competition category, just like chess or a spelling bee. Wresting is a live performance, like a concert, play, or circus act. A play is ostensibly a real performance, but obviously pretend. Wresting is the same. A fan can admire the performance if that's their thing. Maybe the best comparison is a magic act. The magic isn't real, but the elaborate illusions are true performance.

Well said.

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats short sighted desperation. We are two weeks in

nobody is desperate at 2-0. Every roster has weaknesses.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Maybe if the wings can close in over the stadium, so that Jeffrey gets his concert venue and SB consideration.