Oh...you mean the other teams are the ones cheating?

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have tush push fatigue. I'm so tired of hearing about it, I'm so tired of the talking about it, I'm so tired of the whining, I'm so tired of the same talking points every. single. time.

I'm at the point where I don't even care if it's banned, at least the discourse will stop. And then the Eagles will run the QB sneak basically at the same success rate.

I won't allow discourse to take a position that hurts my football team. It may be banned, but I'll never be ok with it. The best way to stop being tired of it is to stop listening to it. A problem easily solvable. I'm not only not sick of it, I'm loving it. It makes me enjoy these wins even more due to the tasty beverage of hater tears after every win. Winning always feels good. Winning with a chip on your shoulder feels better.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I won't allow discourse to take a position that hurts my football team. It may be banned, but I'll never be ok with it. The best way to stop being tired of it is to stop listening to it. A problem easily solvable. I'm not only not sick of it, I'm loving it. It makes me enjoy these wins even more due to the tasty beverage of hater tears after every win. Winning always feels good. Winning with a chip on your shoulder feels better.

Same. I want them to embrace the villain role at this point.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Same. I want them to embrace the villain role at this point.

I feel like this team embodies the franchise's and city's 50+ years of disappointment, negativity, and misery and have weaponized it into the product on the field. Even though they likely don't care about any of that, they play like they do. They are just out there to beat the crap out of teams, take their hearts, and are the bullies of the school yard now.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Same. I want them to embrace the villain role at this point.

We spent enough seasons dying as heroes…now we lived long enough to become the villian

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

"Aesthetically pleasing" is the benchmark now? Ok. Then the NFL needs to explain what is so 'aesthetically pleasing' about the new stupid kick off rules?

For that matter, an onside kick isn't all that 'aesthetically pleasing' to my eye either. It should be banned too.

They are coming up with so many subjective excuses for what they don't like about it. I've personally, not been a big fan of the Tush Push in some situations and thought that the team was giving up more potential big plays in certain situations by running it somewhere other than the goal line... or gotta have it situations like 4th down. BUT... none of these subjective reasons make sense. And none of their objective reasons are actually true. They are throwing an 8 year old tantrum.

Nothing is aesthetically pleasing about the spike or kneel down either. With the Tush Push, it’s at least a valid attempt to advance the ball forward which is what the game is about at its most basic level. The spike and kneel down are deliberate attempts not to. I’d like to hear their counter to that.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

So I see the new thing is everyone crying that watching the Eagles is boring, and they need to pass more to be more entertaining. It's just awesome how much we live in the heads of every under 40 football "fan" who is really just some fantasy football playing loser who measures everything by stats.

Dude is clearly a huge fan and X’s and 0’s guru. "If you like watching 12 grown men shove for one yard….”

43 minutes ago, paco said:

Having played rugby in college…. Its nothing like rugby

Mailata says that all the time but people just want to hate it.

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have tush push fatigue. I'm so tired of hearing about it, I'm so tired of the talking about it, I'm so tired of the whining, I'm so tired of the same talking points every. single. time.

I'm at the point where I don't even care if it's banned, at least the discourse will stop. And then the Eagles will run the QB sneak basically at the same success rate.

Same. They're gonna ban it anyway. And I want the Eagles to troll the league with converting short yardage anyway

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Putting chips in the football would solve a lot of problems

Would it? Where does the chip fit in the ball? Right now it’s accurate to six inches, which isn’t accurate enough.

40 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

savage

How many have been injured on punts vs the shove?

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sport is defined by 5 elements for me:

1 - Athletic ability, human powered locomotion (this eliminates NASCAR)

2 - Offense - you need to do something in order to 'score'.

3 - Defense - you need to be able to do something in order to stop your opponent from 'scoring'.

4 - Objective scoring zone.

5 - Requires a 'ball' type object to be utlitized.

(Given the recent discussion of 'pro wrestling', I suppose I need to add 'unscripted' to the list.)

Chess, spelling bees, cheerleading competitions, gymnastics, swimming, sprints, field events, etc. do not qualify by my definition.

Long distance races could qualify, I suppose, as the runners can shield other runners, but sprints where you have to stay in your lane eliminates the defensive component.

Equestrian, Kentucky Derby, Skiing, Fencing, Wrestling, Boxing, Baseball, all are not sports for you.

29 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I won't allow discourse to take a position that hurts my football team. It may be banned, but I'll never be ok with it. The best way to stop being tired of it is to stop listening to it. A problem easily solvable. I'm not only not sick of it, I'm loving it. It makes me enjoy these wins even more due to the tasty beverage of hater tears after every win. Winning always feels good. Winning with a chip on your shoulder feels better.

I really didn't care if it got banned or not at the last meeting when it went to a vote, but the one thing that I will not stand for is watching this narrative being spearheaded by the NFL unfold through their water-carriers like Schefter and Dean Blandino.

It originally started out that this play was too dangerous and an injury risk to players. But then the data came out and disproved that showing that it isn't any more dangerous than any other play that happens on the football field. Then it turned into, well only the Eagles have mastered it and it's not fair. Well, any other team is welcome to use the play. If Carolina wants to put 5'9" 170lb Bryce Young under center and run the play, then they are more than welcome to watch his scrawny ass get crushed. Good luck.

Now the discourse has turned into that "the play is ungovernable and the refs can't officiate it" which is a total crock of crap. If the Eagles offensive line jumped quick and committed a false start, then throw the damn flag and call a penalty like you would on any other false start. Just because a ref is incompetent and missed a penalty, like they do all the time on holding calls, pass interference, face masks, etc doesn't mean that this play is impossible to regulate. The whole argument that they have been trying to ram down peoples' throats this week is actually a reffing issue, not a tush push issue. If that is really your argument, then find better officials and get rid of the ones that aren't able to spot a false start or the defense lining up offsides.

28 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Oh...you mean the other teams are the ones cheating?

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How many have been injured on punts vs the shove?

exactly.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, they are laying it on so thick, it might just backfire. The play was getting banned this coming offseason no matter what -- Roger would strong arm 2 more teams into voting for it. But making this big a spectacle of the whole thing runs the risk of turning people off and getting people to vote against the NFL because they don't like they heavy handed tactics. The strategy is just dumb.

It really is you are spot on. It's almost like they are so pissed off that they didn't get their way they are being spiteful.

Also, why isn't there some sort of grace period where you can't re-vote on an issue for say five years after it was originally voted on? They just voted on this thing last year, it passed, and now they're going to have another vote in the next offseason again? Is that how it works? That's ridiculous.

8 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I really didn't care if it got banned or not at the last meeting when it went to a vote, but the one thing that I will not stand for is watching this narrative being spearheaded by the NFL unfold through their water-carriers like Schefter and Dean Blandino.

It originally started out that this play was too dangerous and an injury risk to players. But then the data came out and disproved that showing that it isn't any more dangerous than any other play that happens on the football field. Then it turned into, well only the Eagles have mastered it and it's not fair. Well, any other team is welcome to use the play. If Carolina wants to put 5'9" 170lb Bryce Young under center and run the play, then they are more than welcome to watch his scrawny ass get crushed. Good luck.

Now the discourse has turned into that "the play is ungovernable and the refs can't officiate it" which is a total crock of crap. If the Eagles offensive line jumped quick and committed a false start, then throw the damn flag and call a penalty like you would on any other false start. Just because a ref is incompetent and missed a penalty, like they do all the time on holding calls, pass interference, face masks, etc doesn't mean that this play is impossible to regulate. The whole argument that they have been trying to ram down peoples' throats this week is actually a reffing issue, not a tush push issue. If that is really your argument, then find better officials and get rid of the ones that aren't able to spot a false start or the defense lining up offsides.

They are our enemies

1 hour ago, jamiller said:

If you have to leave early, then at least make it memorable and have that super fun nice clothes risky sex in your truck/car/jeep. Get to home base on your own and never mind the Phils.

I'll check with the wife.

R-words lose an old guy (31) to injury and sign an even older guy (32) to "bolster” their defense.

This is the same imbecile trying to manifest AJ into demanding a trade to the Pats. He loves the Pats and the LA teams. Ridiculous he has a job.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I was running errands last night and that dumb "Let's Go" broadcast was on. Normally I change the station immediately because I can't stomach Jim Gray (much less Brady) but last night Gray was talking to Peter King about the tush push. Of the long-time sportscasters, those two are easily my least favorite. Two utter morons, and last night they were whining about how they hated the tush push. Their argument last night was the play is "impossible to officiate." Strange (stupid, I should say).

They complained the Eagles OG were both false-starting. Okay -- there's a line judge. If it's there to be called, call it. If he can't see, it means the defense is guilty of encroachment. Not difficult to officiate.

Gray said "this isn't how Bill Walsh and other old-time coaches envisioned the game" -- so, once Walsh and the others died, no more innovation allowed? Gray is just disturbingly dumb.

There was another broadcast called The Players Point, where they made a more intelligent argument around forward progress. The host made the statement that on one of Hurts' sneaks his forward progress was stopped, then the other players pushed him forward. Excellent -- if true, the opposing coach should be challenging the spot and when the official comes over, the coach needs to tell the referee that the player's forward progress was stopped, and the play should have been blown dead at that point. That's an intelligent argument and -- again -- not hard to officiate. The video review would show the overhead view and easily see where Hurts' forward progress is stopped.

They'd have to get specific with it because of pushing the pile. The runner technically stopped and then his teammates push him forward

52 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Oh...you mean the other teams are the ones cheating?

So the refs are ignoring them? That's pretty wild

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

This is the same imbecile trying to manifest AJ into demanding a trade to the Pats. He loves the Pats and the LA teams. Ridiculous he has a job.

he's so desperate to be relevant.

31 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Nothing is aesthetically pleasing about the spike or kneel down either. With the Tush Push, it’s at least a valid attempt to advance the ball forward which is what the game is about at its most basic level. The spike and kneel down are deliberate attempts not to. I’d like to hear their counter to that.

You think they are going to use the same level of scrutiny to other plays as they do to the one they don't like? Classic gambit.

As Ben Franklin once said... "All rebellion is legal in the first person, Our rebellion. It is only in the third person, their rebellion, that it is illegal."

They find the Tush Push to be a problem, so any line of reasoning they have is valid, however, you cannot extend that line of reasoning to any other situation or play.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This is the same imbecile trying to manifest AJ into demanding a trade to the Pats. He loves the Pats and the LA teams. Ridiculous he has a job.

Click bait. Hot take. Just trying to draw eyes and $$. I don't give him the time of day.